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Okay, welcome councilors, officers, and

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members of the gallery to tonight's

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council meeting. My name is Lisa Cooper,

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and I have the privilege of being the

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Mayor of Knox City Council. Council

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acknowledges the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung

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people and Bunurong people of the Kulin

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Nation as traditional custodians of the

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land. Today, we meet on the traditional

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lands of the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung people and

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pay our respects to Elders past and

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present. Our statement of commitment.

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The Knox way is characterized by service,

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integrity, community participation,

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accountability, and good governance.

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Council is committed to being responsive

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to the community and advocating to other

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governments and agencies on their

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behalf. We recognize the importance of

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local democracy and council's

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responsibility to govern well for all in

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our city. Our history is rich and in the

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spirit of the Knox tradition, let us move

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and prosper.

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We're  conducting tonight's

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meeting in a hybrid format as usual.

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However, we do have all counselors

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present in the chamber this evening.

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I'll start by introducing my colleagues

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and just ask that you give a bit of a

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wave as I do so. Councilors in

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attendance this evening we have

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councelor Susan Pearce representing

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Taylor Ward. Councelor Peter Lockwood

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representing Baird Ward. Councelor Robert

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Williams representing Dinsdale Ward.

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Councelor Chris Duncan representing

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Collier Ward. Councelor Parisa Considine

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representing Friberg Ward. Our Deputy

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Mayor councelor Glenn Atwell

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representing Tirhatuan Ward. Councelor

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Paige Kennett representing Chandler Ward.

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and Councilman Meagan Baker representing

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Dobson Ward.

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Joining us in the chamber this evening,

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we also have our chief executive

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officer, Bruce Dobson. our director of

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infrastructure, Grant Thorne. Our acting

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acting director of city livability,

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Jonathan McNelly. Our director of

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connected communities, Judy Chalkley, our

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interim director of customer and

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performance, Matt Kelleher, our chief

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financial officer, Yvette Lawkins, our manager

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of governance and risk, Andrew Dowling,

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and our head of governance, Saskia

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Weirheim. We also have other members of

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our governance team present this

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evening.

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Please note this meeting is recorded

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live and streamed live on our website in

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accordance with our live streaming of

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public meeting policy.

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So it does not permit additional

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recordings of the meeting. Members of

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the gallery should also note that you

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may be visible in the background of the

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live streaming video.

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Live streaming and recording will be

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suspended if this meeting is closed to

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the public to consider confidential

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business in accordance with the section

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66 of the Local Government Act 2020.

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I would like to remind everyone that

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opinions expressed and statements made

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during this meeting are those of the

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individuals making them and not those of

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council unless set out in a resolution

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which will be passed by council.

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Council accepts no liability for any

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defamatory remarks made during our

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meeting. You are responsible for your

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own comments and therefore may be

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personally liable for any loss or damage

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they cause. I would also ask everyone

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present to remain quiet when others are

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addressing the meeting and remind the

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gallery that this is a meeting of

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council and there is no opportunity for

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members of the gallery to participate in

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debate during the meeting and that

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questions are only permissible during

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our public question time.

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Before we move on to our  order of

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business this evening, I would like to

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suggest a change to our agenda with 

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proposing that we consider item 8.10,

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which is outdoor parklets, as our first

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officer report tonight following the

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public question time. Under council's

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governance rules, I can now seek leave

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to make this change and ask if any

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councelor has an objection to making

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this change. Right.

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Fantastic. Thank you councilors. That

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change is now made and we can move on to

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the next item. Item one, apologies and

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requests for leaves of absence. There

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are no apologies this evening. Does any

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counselor wish to request a leave of

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absence?

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No. Thank you. Item two, declarations of

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conflicts of interest. If there are any

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conflicts of interest to declare

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tonight, now is an opportunity to

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foreshadow that conflict. I'll ask that

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you declare your conflict of interest in

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full later in this meeting immediately

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before the item is to be considered. 

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are there any such declarations,

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counselors?

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Councelor Pearce, we'll start with you,

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please.

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Do I just have to read it out? Is that

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all I've got to do?  you can just

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foreshadow the item and then immediately

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before we move to the item, you can read

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it out then.

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I've got a declaration of conflict of

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interest as I'm the auditor of Wantirna

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Jetbacks and they've received partial

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funding under 8.7.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay. sorry, I'll just go back to a

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show of hands. so next is Councelor

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Williams.

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 thank you through you, Mayor.  I

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also declare a general  conflict

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of interest  for item 8.7 which I'll

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disclose later.

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Thank you councelor Duncan.

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 yes I have a material conflict of

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interest with 8.7 the CDF grant

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assessment panel recommendations.

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Thank you councelor Baker.

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Thank you Mayor Cooper.  I also have a

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general conflict of interest for 8.7 on

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this evening's  agenda. Thank you.

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Thank you. Just the last call. Are there

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any other declarations from other

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counselors?

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No. Okay. I will also foreshadow that I

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also have a declaration  conflict of

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interest in relation to item 8.7 as

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well.

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Okay. So our next item is item three

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confirmation of minutes. Is there any

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opposition to the minutes of council

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from the council meeting which was held

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on Monday the 29th of September 2025.

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Okay. There being no opposition I can

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declare those minutes to be confirmed.

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Item four petitions. Oh sorry

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presentations petitions and memorials.

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There are no presentations this evening

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and I believe we do have three

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petitions. councelor Lockwood, would

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you like to start with your petition?

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I will. Thank you. 

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I seek leave to present a petition read

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the early childhood educators worker

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retention payment the petition does

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not comply with the governor's rules

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because there are no email addresses for

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the petitioners.

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Yeah. So, thank you. I had someone

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speaking to me there. I'm just seeking

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leave to let the of the council.

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Yeah. No opposition. Thank you. Go

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ahead.

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Okay.  council has received an

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petition organized via change.org August

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185 signatures as at 27 October 2025

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calling for council to apply for funding

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offered by the federal government to

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enable services to give a temporary 15%

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above award wage increase to eligible

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council staff over two years. In

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submitting the petition, the lead

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petitioner argues that educators in

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council run centers deserve the same

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recognition and financial support as

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those in private and community centers.

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and this federal funding can also

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address the wage gaps in this female

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dominated sector. We also understand the

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petitioners are still actively

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collecting signatures and updates to the

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petition may yet be received. I note the

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petition does not raise any matters

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which can be considered as items of

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urgent business on tonight's agenda. So

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the petition has been circulated to all

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counselors and is presented tonight for

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noting only. Um as the chief chief

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executive officer has statuto

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responsibility for all staffing matters.

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This is not an issue council can

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determine. So the petition has been

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referred to the co for consideration

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and sympathy and response.

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Thank you councelor Lockwood. Councelor

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Baker.

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Oh councel Lockwood. Can you just turn

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your microphone off please?

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Thank you and through you Mayor Cooper.

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I also have a petition  from Patty's

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Taverns Parklet.  council has received

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a petition with 103 signatures as at the

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27th of October 2025 to support keeping

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the parklet located at the front of

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Patty's Tavern in Fentry Gali. The

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petition has been circulated to all

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counselors and is presented tonight for

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noting. In submitting the petition, the

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lead petitioner argues that removing the

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parklet would negatively impact the

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experience of customers and would take

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away a valued feature that brings people

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together and takes and encourages them

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to enjoy the venue. We also understand

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that the petitioners are actively still

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collecting signatures and updates to the

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petition may yet to be received. I note

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that the petition does not raise any

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matters which can be considered as items

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of urgent business on tonight's agenda.

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The petition will be referred to the

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acting director of city city livability

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who will provide a response to the lead

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petitioner in due course. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Um

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thank you. Thank you, Councelor Baker.

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Um, Councelor Williams, you also have a

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petition.

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Thank you. Through you, Mayor. Um,

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council has also received a petition 

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with 138 signatures as of 27th of

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October, 2025, calling for the parklet

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to be maintained in front of Shakalad

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and the charcoal chicken shop at Stfield

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Shopping Center. would also like to

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follow that that I also have in my hands

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 600 handwritten and perhaps

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non-compliant

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um petition signatures as well.  the

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petition has been circulated to all

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counselors and is um presented tonight

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for noting. In submitting the petition,

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the lead petitioner argues that the

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parklet serves a great space for local

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traders and for local community and its

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removal would re  adversely affect

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local business as less outdoor seating

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would be provided. We also understand

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that the petitioners are still actively

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seeking signatures and updates to the

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petition may yet be received and I note

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that the petition does not raise any

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matters of  any urgent business on

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tonight's agenda and that the petition

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will be referred to the acting director

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city livability who will provide a

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response to the lead petitioner in due

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course.

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Thank you.

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Next on our agenda um we have memorials.

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Are there any memorials this evening?

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Yes, councelor Luckley. Um, I have a

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memorial for Nol and Beverly McNamara.

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Now, Nol and Bev, I first met them, I

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think about 25 years ago. Um, I was on

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council.  very keen activists

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advocating for victims of crime. 

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compulsive volunteers. They're on a

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board out here as local heroes and

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neglected honor boards.  they

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dedicated their lives to victim support

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crime victim support organization and it

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prompted government to bride services in

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place of volunteer services. Now I have

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a tribute supplied by their daughter

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Kelly Nun. Now Bever McNamara moved to

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KKnox from Port Melbourne in 1964 with

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their first child Tracy followed by

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Kelly in 1965 and Anthony in 1968. They

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quickly became part of St. Joseph's

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Parish, Beronia in the ' 90s that became

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parishioners of St. John the Baptist

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Catholic Church Figali.

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Their daughter Tracy was a local

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hairdresser who was murdered in 1992.

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Because of that tragedy, Bever null

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became involved in victims group and

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later starting their own victims of

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crime group campaigning for tougher

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sentencing. Now, because of their work

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with victims, they were presented with

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the Knox um local community awards, one

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being the local heroes award. They're

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both awarded an OAM, the Queen's

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birthday honors of 2004.

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They're very well known and respected in

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the local community. Be was an active

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member of St. John the Baptist

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Catholic Church and was a long

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long-erving member of St. Vincent Paul.

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like null were married for 65 years with

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their final years were spent at Miranda

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residential age care in one turner and

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null passed away on the 26th of August

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followed by Bev on the 22nd of November

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September very quickly they survived by

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their daughter Kelly son Anthony four

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grandchildren and their partners as well

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as a great granddaughter and may they

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rest in peace I just want to add um null

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was a a reign in the Queensbton relay

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for the Commonworth games in 2006 and

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some of us went down to cheer him on as

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he ran turned the corner at KKnoxtown

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point. Um he certainly struggled. He was

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he was no spring chicken but um he got

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through it and he did well. He he made

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it to his section to pass on the bat to

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the next runner. So you know I found

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some other information here that um

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null established the crime victim

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support association in 1993. I think

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that's when I met them. Um he's an

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outspoken critic of the Australian

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justice system. Now he was interviewed

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quite a lot. He became became quite the

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the news news head there. Um he had a

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fairly hardline approach to to crime to

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to punishment. Um he advocated for

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harsher jail sentences for people

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convicted of murder rape, pedophilia,

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culpable driving and other violent

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crimes. I think that resonates today in

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2025.

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and he didn't like minimum sentences

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um campaign for the abolition of the

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double jeopardy laws which has happened

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now and the abolition of crimes

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compensation payments to families of um

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murdered criminals. So Tracy was

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murdered in 1992. The killer received a

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10-year minimum jail term. He got I

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think 14 with a 10ear minimum. So he he

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was null was quite raised by that. So he

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went on with his victims of crime and

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that's certainly not a long time for

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taking a life. So um I'll be right

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behind him there. Um so yes, may  may

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be null rest in peace. They are great

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achievers.

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Thank you councelor Lockwood and on

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behalf of council we extend our

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condolences to the McNamara family.

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The next item on our agenda this evening

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is reports by councelor councilors

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sorry. Um councelor Baker I'll start

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with you. Thank you, Mayor Cooper. I'll

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submit a report. Thank you. Thank you,

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Councelor Kennet.

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Thank you. Through you, Madame Mayor.

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Um,  this month I attended two AGMs,

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the BBCN

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and Bazewater Seniors. Both really

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valued, um, community organizations.

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Um, I attended the outer east food share

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celebration with with the Mayor and with

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councelor Duncan and councelor Lockwood

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and we celebrated  the 5-year lease

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that the organizations been given there

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and they provide  food through to 45

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organizations throughout Knox um

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supporting our most vulnerable. I

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visited the Bazewater Library that was

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 formally opened this week  with 

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councelor Lowood and again the Mayor and

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councelor Baker. Um the minister for

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local government was there and

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interestingly he noted that there's 302

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local libraries in Melbourne which is

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more McDonald'ses than um than there is

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which I thought was interesting. Um, I

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attended the launch of the Bono and

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Basin Community Directory, which was a

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shared initiative between the state

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government, which was funded  just

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over $19,000

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and supported by your library. And it

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was um produced to create a booklet of

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um services and places within our local

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area to support residents to find the

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things that they need.

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I met with a number of residents this

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month to talk about the domestic animal

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management plan, dogs off lead and

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mental health impacts.  Parklets

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youth services for KKnox and the upcoming

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poppy appeal which is um will be stalls

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will be running throughout KKnox  over

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the next month. I also visited Miller's

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Homestead. There is an art exhibition

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running there at the moment um up until

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the 28th of November. There's 37 unique

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pieces of art that have been produced by

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24 local artists. It's a free

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exhibition. You can go and make a cup of

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coffee and have a wander through um the

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gorgeous library setting that's there.

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Um I want to congratulate our Bonia

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Rotarian Race Sierma, sorry.  who's

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here. He's here tonight in the chamber

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with us. He was recognized for his

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outstanding volunteer service in our

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community by um a competition in

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Westfield. Ray delivers a program out of

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Baron K12 for our youth, which is a

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skills development program for um an

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introduction into trades, which is a

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fantastic initiative. So, thank you on

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behalf of all of us. Ry  Rey is also

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heading up a men's mental health hub 

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which will be launched next month in

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Bonia and we're super excited about

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that. Thanks.

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Um and I'll submit a report for the

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rest.

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Thank you, Councelor Kennet. Councelor

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Awell.

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 thank you, Mayor. And I'll too

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acknowledge Ray Sieesma who um I think I

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got that right cuz Ry um told me  how

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to get it right at the KKnox volunteer

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awards a bit earlier this year. So, 

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congratulations, Ray, on,  your

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taking out of the KKnox, um, local

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heroes, part of the Westfield

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initiative, and congratulations on

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securing the grant for the shed

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initiative and and Rotary Club. So,

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congratulations. Um,  I'd like to

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acknowledge, I did forget to do this at

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the last monthly meeting, just the, um,

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all of the Joey Scouts across Knox who

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recently attended,  Kangaroo, which

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was a a twoight, three-day camp down at

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Bay Park Scout Camp in Mount Martha, ran

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at the end of September.  was a huge

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milestone for many of our youngest

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scouts in KKnox with u many experiencing

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their first time away from home

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including my  son Max who was still

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just 5 years old  during the camp. So

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 from all reports it was a fantastic

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event  building  independence and

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life skills while sharing adventures and

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making friends.  special thanks to the

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excellent and caring leaders at  First

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Roville Scouts and all the scout leaders

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and and adult supporters across KKnox um

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who make  who made this  very

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formative event possible for our young

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people. Um I'd like to mention last

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Sunday scores CFA open day. It was a

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fantastic success. I was down there for

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several hours. I think the CFA said

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there was about 600 people came through

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 during the day. Um many  were

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engaged with fire preparedness as we um

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get closer to the fire season. Um but

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also just to have a look behind the the

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curtain at the station. They're on quite

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a quite a block down there. Um and it

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was certainly an action-packed day

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during the event. There was a a fire

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alarm went off in one turn south, so a

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couple of the fire trucks  came to

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life in a real way and had to had to

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head off. So, it was um very exciting

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and yeah, send my congratulations to the

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 leadership team at the  Scoresby

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CFA  and for um several other vendors

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including Heavenly Sweets and Treats who

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 came out and supported  community

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safety initiative.  I'd note the 

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Rotary  community and the sorry the

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Rotary of Roville and Listfield Makers

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and Bakers Market which was  October

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5th  which certainly showcased the

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strength of our local creative economy

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and social enterprise.  they've got a

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great great platform there that that

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Rotary supports for our local artisans

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and food producers.  including the

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greatest doman, the source candle co the

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basin backyard.  and I'd send my

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thanks to President  Bob and all of

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the Roville Lististerfield Rotarians who

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organize the monthly market and we're

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certainly in discussions with them about

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how we can  do our best to help them

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support and promote the market  each

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and every month. A few other ward issues

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just quickly. Um,  concerns

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regarding,  the condition of a street

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tree in Roville,  in Swood Court. Um,

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and I've,  appreciated the support

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and assistance from officers in in, 

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assisting and providing,  my resident

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with some information. And I will, 

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ask a few questions later,  in the

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agenda through the chair on behalf of

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the resident in my ward relating to, 

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yeah, the concerns about a particular

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street tree,  in Roville. So, 

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thank you, ma'am. Thank you councelor.

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Councelor Considine.

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Thank you through through you madame. Um

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I will keep this very brief.  I

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attended the Knox  United Cer Club mini

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ruse and junior  junior's presentation

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day with councelor peers. I attended Knox

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multicultural committee advisory um um

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advisory community meeting and met with

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several residents um and I just want to

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share this um well um the Knox radio

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control of road car club will be hosting

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the largest event in Australian history

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from October 31st to November 2nd at

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Carrington Park. Um, everyone in the in

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our community is welcome to join and

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enjoy this exciting  event. 

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looking forward to seeing you there and

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I will submit the rest of my report

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later. Thank you so much.

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Thank you, Council Councelor and

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Councelor Duncan.

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I'm also submit a report. Thank you,

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Mayor.

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Thank you, Councelor Williams.

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 thank you through you, Mayor. Been

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another busy month.  a couple events

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I've attended the um,  recently on

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Saturday night was the Bazewater Sharks

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 cricket club comedy night. That was

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a great night. Bit of fun. Um, attended

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the Westfield Community Day  with

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counselor Duncan and councelor Kennet.

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Um, recently Councelor Duncan and myself

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also met with Kevin from the Wturner

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South Football Club and we had a chat

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just talking sports.  attended the

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KKnox community gardens open day  the

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other day and that was great just to see

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so many people going buying seedlings

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and various things. Um obviously we've

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had a lot of discussion um with um

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business owners around the park lit um

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situation which will be coming up

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shortly. Attended Baywater CFA's annual

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dinner. Um celebrated my daughter's

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graduation recently from school.  we

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had Brad Batten around the area just

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recently as well. So just showcased um

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some Bazewater talent and and a little

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bit outside of Bazewater. Um so it was

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exciting to have him around um the

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Bazewater Striker Soccer Club AGM and um

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senior presentation night. um proud to

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be able to award a medal there and

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congratulations to all the winners

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there. Um we've got some really big

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things coming up. Um obviously the

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haunted house and the Halloween events

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in Bazewater are coming up on Friday and

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Saturday. So they're going to be some

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really big  events in the ward.  I

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know some of the counselors and and also

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the public are invited to come to the

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KKnox  historical society cemetery tour

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on Friday night. So, I'm looking forward

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to heading out there on Friday night 

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when when it starts getting dark and um

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and see what that's all about. 

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councelor Duncan and myself um have got

00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:50.775
the Yak or the youth advisory committee

00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:53.799
 coming up also. And um I just wanted

00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:56.376
to raise a point and I've mentioned this

00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:59.176
um through  our CEO recently, but just

00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:00.376
wanted to put it on note that pretty

00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.255
disappointed with um the current  pet

00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:05.576
rates and the  the raising of pet

00:25:05.600 --> 00:25:07.416
rates that the state government's

00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:09.336
implementing on the council and just

00:25:09.360 --> 00:25:11.096
wanted to make note that it isn't cancel

00:25:11.120 --> 00:25:12.775
efforts to double rates and things like

00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:15.799
that. It is quite um disappointing that

00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.535
 they're attacking pet rates  as as

00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:20.535
another way to perhaps get some income

00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.216
coming in. So, a little bit annoyed at

00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.015
that. Um, and believe it or not, we've

00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:26.535
got five official meetings left to go

00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:28.696
after this meeting before the end of u

00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:30.775
 this year for the councilors. So,

00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:32.696
that's it from me.

00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.496
Heading fast to Christmas.

00:25:35.520 --> 00:25:37.416
Thank you, Council Lockwood.

00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:40.440
Thank you. Um, well, just  to whip

00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:43.096
through a couple um your library limited

00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:45.255
um audit committee meeting. Um we had a

00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:47.736
budget submissions here, I think. Um,

00:25:47.760 --> 00:25:49.576
Brony the Basin Handbook at the Bronia

00:25:49.600 --> 00:25:51.176
Library with Councelor Page and and

00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:53.816
Patrick from Jackson's office. Um,

00:25:53.840 --> 00:25:55.895
Eastern raptors breakin problems on site

00:25:55.919 --> 00:25:57.655
meetings with councelor Paige and

00:25:57.679 --> 00:26:00.679
eventually council staff. Um, frequent

00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:02.616
breakins have had their eighth breakin

00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.640
recently. Um the multicultural advisory

00:26:06.159 --> 00:26:09.015
committee came um mice food chair with

00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:10.936
the Mayor council cruz counselor page

00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.015
and of course acknowledge councelor page

00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:15.576
for driving that a fair way to make sure

00:26:15.600 --> 00:26:18.535
things got things happened. Um, we went

00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:20.535
to the  the Bazewater Library official

00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:22.056
opening with the Mayor, council Megan,

00:26:22.080 --> 00:26:24.216
councelor Paige, the minister, Minister

00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.240
Stacos and and Jackson. Um, I also went

00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:30.135
to the Westfield Community Safety Day.

00:26:30.159 --> 00:26:32.696
Is anybody else there? But anyway, the

00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:34.775
two both Baron Fire Brigade is there,

00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.799
the FRV and and CFA as well as police um

00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.880
Crimestoppers um SCS council council was

00:26:42.320 --> 00:26:45.320
there. Um, who else was there?

00:26:45.840 --> 00:26:48.296
Ambulance. Um there's a whole range. All

00:26:48.320 --> 00:26:50.135
the emergency services are there. It's

00:26:50.159 --> 00:26:52.456
um  I would like to have been better

00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:53.895
attended with lots of people, hundreds

00:26:53.919 --> 00:26:55.736
of people. But anyway, it was I think a

00:26:55.760 --> 00:26:58.616
successful day. Now, Herring Road Kinder

00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:01.496
had its 50th anniversary and we had me

00:27:01.520 --> 00:27:03.096
members of the original committee there

00:27:03.120 --> 00:27:06.056
from 50 years ago from 1975.

00:27:06.080 --> 00:27:08.216
Um one of them there was was telling us

00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.176
she was 8 months pregnant when she um

00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:12.696
became a member of the committee down

00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.720
there. and  and people whose children

00:27:15.760 --> 00:27:16.936
have been through there and children

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.496
who' grown up and become parents um who

00:27:19.520 --> 00:27:22.456
were there. Um it was um quite the event

00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:24.376
because it was pouring rain outside and

00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.775
the place was packed. Um a very

00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:28.936
successful day and a very good warm

00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:31.655
atmosphere for Herring Road. Now just

00:27:31.679 --> 00:27:33.096
the other thing I went to last week was

00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:36.120
a homelessness forum in Mannyham um set

00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.480
up by E-Har good group E-Har

00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:43.640
um and working through what people could

00:27:43.760 --> 00:27:46.696
do about homelessness um just throw up a

00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:48.535
couple of stats here  or one stat

00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.336
mainly they're at 400,000 homeless

00:27:51.360 --> 00:27:54.360
people across Australia right now um

00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.176
that's unless we've underestimated

00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:00.200
um the last census said 122,000 but It's

00:28:01.120 --> 00:28:03.816
doubled doubled since then at least. Now

00:28:03.840 --> 00:28:05.416
if you measure the people who turn up at

00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:07.336
homelessness services that's about

00:28:07.360 --> 00:28:08.856
280,000.

00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:10.216
But if you measure the people who were

00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.456
turned away who didn't get in the door

00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:15.480
that's another 123,000. So that's that's

00:28:15.760 --> 00:28:18.535
a lot of people. Um or we I think we

00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.056
perhaps could redouble our efforts to

00:28:20.080 --> 00:28:21.496
help people out there and certainly

00:28:21.520 --> 00:28:23.655
advocate for governments to do more than

00:28:23.679 --> 00:28:25.416
they're doing. I don't think they're

00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.440
doing anywhere near enough and  we

00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:31.496
should be screaming loud and clear about

00:28:31.520 --> 00:28:34.520
 about homelessness. Yeah,

00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.559
indeed. Thank you, Councelor Pearce.

00:28:38.399 --> 00:28:40.456
Thank you, Madame May. It's been a busy

00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:43.176
month in Taylor. On the 1st of October,

00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.015
 I attended public submissions for the

00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:47.655
next financial youth budget. I heard

00:28:47.679 --> 00:28:48.856
from a variety of different

00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.576
organizations from info link to Roville

00:28:51.600 --> 00:28:53.976
Hall football club to Waverly Soccer

00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:57.000
Club. On the 5th of October, I attended

00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.056
a presentation day at Knox United Soccer

00:29:00.080 --> 00:29:03.080
Club with councelor Constantine. I had

00:29:03.120 --> 00:29:04.775
the opportunity to award the trophies to

00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.799
the girls 14C Dean who are who were

00:29:07.840 --> 00:29:09.736
runners up.

00:29:09.760 --> 00:29:11.576
I just want to congratulate Feliz and

00:29:11.600 --> 00:29:14.216
the team for such a well-run event. And

00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.375
being an old soccer player, I found it

00:29:16.399 --> 00:29:18.375
really interesting, great to see the

00:29:18.399 --> 00:29:21.255
young girls out there playing soccer. On

00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.096
the 8th of October, I attended the KKnox

00:29:23.120 --> 00:29:26.120
business awards that was held at at um

00:29:27.840 --> 00:29:30.840
the local golf course down the road.

00:29:31.360 --> 00:29:33.096
Can't think of the name at the moment.

00:29:33.120 --> 00:29:36.120
It escapes me. Um the winners of the

00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.255
awards key winners were award for trade

00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.176
construction manufacturing division and

00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:42.936
sustainability and environment was

00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.096
Yellowstone landscaping

00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:47.096
an award for the outstanding young

00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:49.255
business leader. Now, I apologize. I'm

00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:51.655
going to mess his name up, but please

00:29:51.679 --> 00:29:54.375
bear with me. It's Joshua and I think

00:29:54.399 --> 00:29:57.399
it's Kuca

00:29:57.600 --> 00:30:00.600
Co of Lexian Plumbing and Electrical.

00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:03.416
The award for health care and wellness

00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.216
industries was True Hearing. Business

00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:07.976
and professional services was Barry

00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:10.375
plant at Wernerna. Retail and

00:30:10.399 --> 00:30:11.976
professional services was the basin

00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:13.496
backyard.

00:30:13.520 --> 00:30:16.056
New business was the hair network. The

00:30:16.080 --> 00:30:19.080
tourism recreation and hospitality was

00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.135
1961 coffee roasters.

00:30:22.159 --> 00:30:24.456
This is a fantastic award to award our

00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.775
businesses in our area and I strongly

00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.799
support this initiative. So

00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.096
for next year, if you know a business

00:30:33.120 --> 00:30:35.336
that you're interested in or that you

00:30:35.360 --> 00:30:38.360
think is ex is excelling, please

00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:41.895
actually put in a submission for them.

00:30:41.919 --> 00:30:44.535
On the 10th of October 2025, I attended

00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.559
the MA mav state council with  Mr.

00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.135
Bruce Dobson

00:30:50.159 --> 00:30:52.135
where both our motions were approved.

00:30:52.159 --> 00:30:54.135
The first motion relates to a program of

00:30:54.159 --> 00:30:56.296
school connecting connecting with school

00:30:56.320 --> 00:30:59.320
kids through school through school in

00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.176
school courses I think it is from very

00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:06.135
from knowledge. Um that was approved

00:31:06.159 --> 00:31:07.976
which is great. And our second was

00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.135
reouring resourcing of our police

00:31:10.159 --> 00:31:12.375
services and the removal of our

00:31:12.399 --> 00:31:14.696
community policing officer. We no longer

00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.015
have a community policing officer that

00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.039
we can communicate with. So that was our

00:31:20.080 --> 00:31:21.816
second motion for MAV to push for that

00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:24.375
to come back. In addition, I had various

00:31:24.399 --> 00:31:26.375
meetings with the residents concerning

00:31:26.399 --> 00:31:29.336
trees foot path planning, soccer and

00:31:29.360 --> 00:31:32.360
football club allocations and repairs.

00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:34.696
I just want to bring  everyone's

00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:36.456
notice on the 16th of November is the

00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.480
quarry safari not safari day starts at

00:31:39.760 --> 00:31:42.616
10:00 a.m. There's face painting. If you

00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.535
want to go on a quarry tour, please book

00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.559
beforehand because basically if you get

00:31:47.919 --> 00:31:50.919
there, there won't be any places left.

00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.736
Um it's a really great day and I

00:31:53.760 --> 00:31:56.135
recommend that everybody comes out and

00:31:56.159 --> 00:31:58.936
gets involved. And that's it for Taylor

00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:01.495
Ward. Thank you. Thank you, Councelor

00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.519
Pearce. Um, okay. So,  for me, um, in

00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:07.895
relation to the Scott board and as

00:32:07.919 --> 00:32:10.456
Mayor, councelor Pearce and I have been

00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.296
participating in interviews for

00:32:12.320 --> 00:32:14.696
applicants for our audit and risk

00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.936
committee. And this has been a process

00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:18.856
that's really important to us as a

00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:20.856
council because it ensures council's

00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.336
strong governance framework and it also

00:32:23.360 --> 00:32:25.976
helps us appoint a skilled and

00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.535
independent member who will provide that

00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.015
oversight. um and financial management,

00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:34.039
risk and compliance. Um we were really

00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.015
impressed with the caliber of all of the

00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.336
applicants and they all had diverse

00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:41.495
backgrounds, very strong in finance,

00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.135
governance and and audit and we're

00:32:44.159 --> 00:32:46.135
currently in the process of of making a

00:32:46.159 --> 00:32:48.616
decision of who the successful applicant

00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:51.176
will be. I also had the pleasure of

00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.135
visiting  a small business. It's

00:32:54.159 --> 00:32:56.856
called Happy Smiley People and this is a

00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.655
business which is ran by Susie Betett on

00:32:59.679 --> 00:33:02.679
Bonia Road in Wu Turner and and what it

00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.576
is is the center provides a play-based

00:33:05.600 --> 00:33:08.535
early intervention program for children

00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:10.616
and one of the highlights of going there

00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:12.936
was meeting  they've got a very very

00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.960
friendly gentle um former guide dog and

00:33:17.840 --> 00:33:19.976
 he is much loved by all of the

00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:21.895
children and he plays a very interactive

00:33:21.919 --> 00:33:24.616
role um in all of their sessions, which

00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:26.856
is great to see. So, it's really

00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:29.176
positive to see these types of services

00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:30.856
for our young people and our families

00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:33.255
that are within our community. Um, and

00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:35.816
anyone who's interested in in this can

00:33:35.840 --> 00:33:37.576
either reach out to me or directly to

00:33:37.600 --> 00:33:40.600
the to the business. I also attended our

00:33:41.600 --> 00:33:44.600
Eastern Regional Group um committee

00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.640
meeting. council participated um in a

00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.559
very important meeting where aou was

00:33:51.760 --> 00:33:54.616
signed by all councils within the ERG

00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.640
group um in relation to um increasing

00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.240
efficiencies, reduce duplication and

00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:05.655
improve service delivery. So we shine we

00:34:05.679 --> 00:34:08.679
signed a shared services agreement. Um

00:34:08.879 --> 00:34:10.696
so this roll out of the agreement will

00:34:10.720 --> 00:34:12.936
be staged and um it will be in

00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:14.375
partnership with our surrounding

00:34:14.399 --> 00:34:17.016
councils as we move forward. So I'd just

00:34:17.040 --> 00:34:19.095
like to congratulate all the people all

00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.176
the councils involved in getting this up

00:34:21.200 --> 00:34:24.200
and running. Um I also as mentioned

00:34:24.879 --> 00:34:27.416
earlier visited outer eastern food share

00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:29.256
with some of my fellow counselors which

00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:31.815
was great.  it's really fantastic to

00:34:31.839 --> 00:34:33.736
see the dedication of their volunteers

00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.055
and the positive impact that they're

00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.055
having across the eastern regional

00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:41.079
suburbs.  it includes Knox, Marunda and

00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.079
Yara Rangers and they supply to over 53

00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:49.256
 food relief agencies across those

00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.280
municipalities. And on average they're

00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:54.615
partner they're partnering with agencies

00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.639
that support between 50 and 100 families

00:34:58.400 --> 00:34:59.976
per week.

00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.936
um meaning that that food share hub is

00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.960
helping around 12,000 people on average

00:35:06.160 --> 00:35:09.160
every week in relation to food. So let

00:35:10.160 --> 00:35:11.656
this share as a reminder of how

00:35:11.680 --> 00:35:14.296
important  the collaboration is

00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.320
between community and council um and and

00:35:18.160 --> 00:35:19.976
keep addressing the issue of food

00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.536
security. I also with my fellow

00:35:22.560 --> 00:35:24.776
counselors  attended the Bazewater

00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.736
Library opening  and our minister Nick

00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.760
Stokos was there.  if you enjoy being

00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:33.256
at libraries, you must check out the

00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.280
Bazewater sorry library um because it's

00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.176
very modern. It's a very welcoming space

00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:41.815
 and  it's got fantastic

00:35:41.839 --> 00:35:43.976
accessibility. The technology is all up

00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.815
to date  and there's lots of

00:35:45.839 --> 00:35:47.575
individual learning areas and meeting

00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.296
rooms for everyone to make the most of.

00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:53.320
I attended um the Roville Community

00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.920
House AGM and the Basin Community House

00:35:57.359 --> 00:36:00.359
AGM is happening this week  which I

00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.480
will also be attending. Both agencies or

00:36:03.839 --> 00:36:05.815
both organizations sorry play a crucial

00:36:05.839 --> 00:36:08.839
role in fostering community connection,

00:36:09.040 --> 00:36:12.040
lifelong learning and local engagement.

00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:14.696
Um and their um their AGMs are

00:36:14.720 --> 00:36:16.216
fantastic. You get an overview of

00:36:16.240 --> 00:36:18.296
everything that they've been working on

00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:20.936
 throughout the year. Um and just

00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.016
finally what I wanted to share with you

00:36:23.040 --> 00:36:26.040
in relation to um neighborhood houses.

00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:28.616
We have five neighborhood houses or

00:36:28.640 --> 00:36:31.416
community houses here in KKnox. We've got

00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.440
Canara Community House in Fenty Galley,

00:36:34.640 --> 00:36:36.856
Arana Community House in Montana South,

00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.416
the Basin Community House in the Basin,

00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:41.256
Roville Neighborhood Learning Center in

00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.416
Roville, and Mountain District Learning

00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.216
Center in Fernry Gully and Neighborhood

00:36:46.240 --> 00:36:48.376
Houses Victoria have recently put out

00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.856
this report and what this report is

00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:52.696
called, it's called the real impact, the

00:36:52.720 --> 00:36:55.016
real value report. And what it's

00:36:55.040 --> 00:36:58.040
basically saying is for Knox um the five

00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:01.079
community houses have had an income of

00:37:01.359 --> 00:37:04.359
$3.5 million but the value that they've

00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:06.936
put out into the community in the last

00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.960
year was two no $22.6

00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:14.040
million of value in terms of um

00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.480
community output. Um so just a few stats

00:37:17.680 --> 00:37:20.456
for you. We've got $3.3 million for

00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.616
improved quality of life through social

00:37:22.640 --> 00:37:25.640
connection. 1.2 million in volunteer

00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:27.656
contributions,

00:37:27.680 --> 00:37:30.680
43,000 for emergency relief provided.

00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.280
We've got um 1,284

00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.920
kilos of food that's been distributed

00:37:39.359 --> 00:37:42.359
and 690 meals per month for community

00:37:43.200 --> 00:37:46.200
frozen lunches or other meals. Um

00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.136
there's a whole heap of other stats that

00:37:48.160 --> 00:37:50.296
you can read on their website in

00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.856
relation to the great um work that our

00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.016
community houses are doing. Um and I

00:37:55.040 --> 00:37:56.696
just wanted to share that because it's a

00:37:56.720 --> 00:37:59.416
it's a fantastic achievement by five

00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.256
organizations.

00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:03.575
Um so we'll now move on to the next item

00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:05.976
of business which is item six planning

00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.000
matters. 6.1 is report of planning

00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:11.815
applications decided under delegation

00:38:11.839 --> 00:38:14.839
from the 1st of September 2025 to the

00:38:15.200 --> 00:38:17.736
30th of September 2025. Would a

00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.760
counselor like to move a motion

00:38:21.359 --> 00:38:24.359
that Yep. Councelor Williams um you're

00:38:24.720 --> 00:38:25.976
going to move the office's

00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:27.496
recommendation

00:38:27.520 --> 00:38:29.575
and would Yeah. Thank you councelor

00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.335
Atwell. Councelor Williams would you

00:38:31.359 --> 00:38:33.416
like to speak to the motion?

00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:35.815
 yes through you. Not much to say but

00:38:35.839 --> 00:38:37.815
um yeah good to see another 31

00:38:37.839 --> 00:38:40.055
applications go through and um great

00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.616
work by the um the team in getting all

00:38:42.640 --> 00:38:45.095
this done. Thank you councelor Williams

00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.896
councelor Alam. No would any other

00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.776
counselor like to speak to this motion?

00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.536
No I can now put the motion. All those

00:38:52.560 --> 00:38:55.095
in favor

00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.335
that motion is carried. Thank you. We

00:38:57.359 --> 00:38:59.335
now move on to item seven which is

00:38:59.359 --> 00:39:01.976
public question time. Council allocates

00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.216
30 minutes to consider questions from

00:39:04.240 --> 00:39:06.456
the community. I'd like to take this

00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:08.296
opportunity to remind everyone that

00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:10.136
public question time is not your only

00:39:10.160 --> 00:39:13.016
opportunity to engage with council. If

00:39:13.040 --> 00:39:14.776
you do have any questions, I encourage

00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:17.575
you also to consider contacting council

00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:19.976
through our usual channels, including

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.296
through our customer service team or via

00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.016
our website. I'd also encourage everyone

00:39:25.040 --> 00:39:27.416
to make the most of our have your say

00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.440
page, which is on the website. Um, and

00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.335
it will give you information about our

00:39:33.359 --> 00:39:35.575
current projects where you can submit

00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.656
questions and provide feedback on the

00:39:37.680 --> 00:39:40.216
current projects. Our protocols for

00:39:40.240 --> 00:39:41.815
submitting and considering public

00:39:41.839 --> 00:39:43.656
questions are set out in council's

00:39:43.680 --> 00:39:45.815
governance rules which include an

00:39:45.839 --> 00:39:48.376
opportunity for submitters to lodge a

00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:51.256
maximum of two questions and for

00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:52.856
submitters to speak to their two

00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.736
questions for up to two minutes. Copies

00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.656
of all questions submitted are

00:39:57.680 --> 00:40:00.136
circulated to counselors in full

00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:02.616
inclusive of any commentary that you may

00:40:02.640 --> 00:40:05.176
have included. So before we move to

00:40:05.200 --> 00:40:06.776
questions, I'll remind submitters that

00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:08.936
this is an opportunity to introduce the

00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:10.776
questions that you have already

00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.095
submitted and not an opportunity to

00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.176
participate in debate or an opportunity

00:40:15.200 --> 00:40:17.656
to change or add to the questions that

00:40:17.680 --> 00:40:20.296
you have already submitted. And by

00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.296
choosing to participate, submitters

00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.856
acknowledge that your name, submissions,

00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.736
and your images are being captured and

00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.376
may be broadcast on the live stream and

00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.016
the recording. I also remind you that

00:40:33.040 --> 00:40:35.256
you are personally responsible for your

00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:36.776
own comments and therefore may be

00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.416
personally liable for any loss or damage

00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:41.736
that they may cause. And I would also

00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:43.976
ask that respect be afforded to all

00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:45.656
participants and that the gallery

00:40:45.680 --> 00:40:48.680
remains silent when people are speaking.

00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.976
So we'll now move on to the order of our

00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.776
questions this evening.

00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.656
 the first question I have is from

00:40:57.680 --> 00:41:00.680
Sarah Jago or JGO. Would you like to

00:41:01.359 --> 00:41:04.359
come up to the the podium please? Sarah.

00:41:05.839 --> 00:41:07.656
Sarah, would you like me to read your

00:41:07.680 --> 00:41:09.176
question or would you like to read your

00:41:09.200 --> 00:41:11.016
question?

00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:12.936
Me to read it. Sorry. You'll read it. No

00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.960
problem.

00:41:16.160 --> 00:41:18.376
 my question is can no city council

00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:20.216
please explain why they have chosen to

00:41:20.240 --> 00:41:22.295
risk losing valuable exceptional

00:41:22.319 --> 00:41:24.856
educators by refusing to apply for the

00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:26.456
Australian government funded early

00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.016
childhood education and care temporary

00:41:29.040 --> 00:41:32.040
retention program despite being eligible

00:41:32.160 --> 00:41:34.295
and despite the pleas from their staff

00:41:34.319 --> 00:41:37.319
and the union to please apply. I asked

00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.575
this question directly at the council

00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.335
meeting as my and many others

00:41:41.359 --> 00:41:43.736
correspondence to no city council has

00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:45.496
gone unanswered.

00:41:45.520 --> 00:41:47.095
Thank you Sarah. You now have two

00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:50.119
minutes to speak to your question.

00:41:51.040 --> 00:41:53.416
Um good evening. Um I'm here

00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:55.575
representing a large number of fellow

00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:57.896
parents  who have their children in

00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.295
care at Knox Children and Family Center.

00:42:00.319 --> 00:42:02.536
In addition to our presence, I presented

00:42:02.560 --> 00:42:05.016
a pet petition with nearly 200

00:42:05.040 --> 00:42:07.256
signatures of individuals who also

00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.136
implore Knox City Council to take action.

00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:12.536
Um, I make note that we have a meeting

00:42:12.560 --> 00:42:15.176
planned with um, member of parliament

00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:17.416
Mary Doyle next week who has written to

00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.575
Mr. Dobson and has not received any

00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:21.095
correspondence.

00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.256
Um, it appears that this is a consistent

00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:26.280
pattern and that our correspondence is

00:42:26.640 --> 00:42:28.856
not answered.  we the parents are here

00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:30.616
because unfortunately the individuals

00:42:30.640 --> 00:42:32.616
the educators who this affects are

00:42:32.640 --> 00:42:34.776
unable to speak publicly because of

00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:36.696
contractual clause. Some of these

00:42:36.720 --> 00:42:38.376
individuals have been working for no

00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:40.856
city council for up to 20 years. They

00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:42.536
are dedicated employees and they are

00:42:42.560 --> 00:42:45.416
feeling exceedingly undervalued.

00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.216
Um, since December 2024, early childhood

00:42:48.240 --> 00:42:50.616
educators have been employed by no city

00:42:50.640 --> 00:42:52.936
council um and the Australian Services

00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:54.616
Union have been asking no city council

00:42:54.640 --> 00:42:56.136
to apply for the worker retention

00:42:56.160 --> 00:42:58.055
payment initiative by the Australian

00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.776
government. This program is not costing

00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:02.616
no city council money is a government

00:43:02.640 --> 00:43:04.936
funded initiative. The program not only

00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:06.936
benefits the educators but also benefits

00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.960
the families by placing a fee cap of

00:43:10.160 --> 00:43:13.160
4.2% between August 2025 and August

00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.440
2026. councilors. This funding program

00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:18.696
looks to begin to address the severe

00:43:18.720 --> 00:43:20.776
gender pay gap and undervaluation of our

00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.936
early childhood educators. These

00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.095
individuals are children's foundation to

00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.095
education. Their early childhood

00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.176
experiences set them up for positive

00:43:29.200 --> 00:43:31.416
lifelong learning and community

00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:34.136
engagement going forward. They care for

00:43:34.160 --> 00:43:36.055
and care about some of our most

00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.079
vulnerable little community members.

00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.136
By no city council's inaction in

00:43:42.160 --> 00:43:43.736
applying for this grant for over 12

00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:45.815
months. These educators have missed out

00:43:45.839 --> 00:43:48.055
on the possibility of vital back pay.

00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:49.656
This issue is about so much more than

00:43:49.680 --> 00:43:51.176
money. It's about recognition and

00:43:51.200 --> 00:43:53.496
equality. We understand the program is

00:43:53.520 --> 00:43:56.136
temporary. But even though it is

00:43:56.160 --> 00:43:58.856
temporary, it is not insignificant. We

00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.496
the parents and our children deeply

00:44:01.520 --> 00:44:04.055
value Knox City Council's educators and

00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:05.815
hope that KKnox City Council can make the

00:44:05.839 --> 00:44:07.335
decision to demonstrate that they do

00:44:07.359 --> 00:44:09.815
too. Um, I hope to remind you that you

00:44:09.839 --> 00:44:11.335
can build and create the most incredible

00:44:11.359 --> 00:44:13.656
facility, but if your educators not

00:44:13.680 --> 00:44:16.216
engaged, passionate, caring educators,

00:44:16.240 --> 00:44:18.776
then that that center will simply build

00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:20.456
be building. Thank you.

00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.480
Thank you.

00:44:25.040 --> 00:44:28.040
Um, I will refer your question to our

00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.136
director of connected communities, Judy

00:44:30.160 --> 00:44:33.160
Chocolley. Thank you.

00:44:33.200 --> 00:44:35.496
Thank you through you, Madame Mayor. Um,

00:44:35.520 --> 00:44:37.896
thank you, Sarah, for your question.

00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.295
We recognize and support the need for an

00:44:40.319 --> 00:44:41.815
increase to the children's services

00:44:41.839 --> 00:44:44.295
award industry award. This commitment is

00:44:44.319 --> 00:44:46.216
reflected in our long-standing practice

00:44:46.240 --> 00:44:48.776
of paying our early years educators

00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.335
above the award rate under the KKnox City

00:44:51.359 --> 00:44:53.736
Council Enterprise Agreement. Following

00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.656
careful consideration of staff feedback

00:44:55.680 --> 00:44:58.055
and further analysis, we determined not

00:44:58.079 --> 00:44:59.496
to submit an application for the

00:44:59.520 --> 00:45:02.055
retention payment funding. This decision

00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:03.976
decision has been based on several

00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.000
factors including ongoing uncertainties

00:45:07.040 --> 00:45:09.335
of the funding model, the unequal

00:45:09.359 --> 00:45:11.016
application of the grant across the

00:45:11.040 --> 00:45:12.776
early childhood education and care

00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.496
workforce, restrictions to feed growth,

00:45:15.520 --> 00:45:17.815
and the temporary nature of the funding.

00:45:17.839 --> 00:45:19.815
We understand these concerns are shared

00:45:19.839 --> 00:45:21.335
by many other Victorian local

00:45:21.359 --> 00:45:22.936
governments with the majority of local

00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.736
governments also not applying.

00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.136
We highly value our early educators and

00:45:28.160 --> 00:45:29.575
remain committed to supporting them

00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.416
through continued above award

00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.656
renumeration, generous leave

00:45:33.680 --> 00:45:35.416
entitlements, professional learning and

00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:36.856
development opportunities and other

00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:38.856
employment benefits that are part of the

00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.496
Knox enterprise agreement. I can also

00:45:41.520 --> 00:45:43.575
confirm that all correspondents officers

00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.496
have received from staff and families

00:45:45.520 --> 00:45:48.055
have been responded to. Thank you.

00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:50.456
Thank you. Thank you for your question.

00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.480
Question two we have from Alexandra

00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.295
Clazinga.

00:45:56.319 --> 00:45:58.456
Thank you. Would you like to read out

00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.016
your question?

00:46:01.040 --> 00:46:04.040
Um, can you pop on the microphone?

00:46:05.680 --> 00:46:08.680
Thanks, Kevin.

00:46:08.720 --> 00:46:11.256
Um, given the early childhood education

00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.176
and care worker retention payments

00:46:13.200 --> 00:46:14.936
objective of addressing historic

00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.960
gender-based wage inequity, how does

00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.295
KKnox City Council justify using the

00:46:20.319 --> 00:46:23.319
existence of internal inequalities as a

00:46:24.240 --> 00:46:26.456
reason to forego

00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:28.456
um applying for the worker retention

00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.216
payment.

00:46:30.240 --> 00:46:31.896
Thank you. You now have two minutes to

00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:34.920
speak to your question.  yep.

00:46:37.680 --> 00:46:40.295
Thank you. Um, my question speaks to the

00:46:40.319 --> 00:46:41.656
difference between something being

00:46:41.680 --> 00:46:44.616
unequal and something being 

00:46:44.640 --> 00:46:46.295
inequitable.

00:46:46.319 --> 00:46:48.776
I work in disability education. My

00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.800
students are blind or vision impaired.

00:46:52.240 --> 00:46:54.136
When they write their VC exams, they're

00:46:54.160 --> 00:46:56.055
entitled to special provisions such as

00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:58.456
alternative format like large print or

00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:00.936
braille. They can use screen readers and

00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:03.095
other technology. They may be provided

00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.119
with a reader, a scribe. They often are

00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.480
given extra time to finish their exams

00:47:09.680 --> 00:47:12.616
and um unlimited rest breaks. Now, these

00:47:12.640 --> 00:47:14.776
special provisions aren't offered

00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.016
equally across every student in

00:47:17.040 --> 00:47:20.040
Victoria, but they are there to address

00:47:20.319 --> 00:47:22.456
inequality

00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.376
um

00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.256
 sorry, inequitable exams for students

00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.416
with disabilities. And I just want you

00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.440
to think about um how something being

00:47:33.359 --> 00:47:36.359
unequal um doesn't necessarily

00:47:37.359 --> 00:47:40.359
prevent us from 

00:47:41.040 --> 00:47:44.040
from I guess trying to address

00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.880
inequalities.

00:47:49.680 --> 00:47:52.376
Thank you. Um I will now refer your

00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.616
question to again our director of

00:47:54.640 --> 00:47:57.640
connected communities, Judy Chalkley.

00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:02.456
Thank you, Madame Mayor, and thank you,

00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:05.480
Alexandra, for your question. We agree

00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.776
that the early years education and care

00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:10.376
worker retention payment is an

00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:12.456
initiative designed to help address

00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.616
historic gender-based inequities within

00:48:14.640 --> 00:48:16.456
early childhood se in the early

00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:18.456
childhood sector. Following

00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:20.696
consideration of our staff feedback and

00:48:20.720 --> 00:48:23.256
analysis, we've determined not to submit

00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.016
an application for the retention payment

00:48:25.040 --> 00:48:27.656
funding. As indicated previously, the

00:48:27.680 --> 00:48:29.656
decision was based on several factors

00:48:29.680 --> 00:48:31.176
including the uncertainties of the

00:48:31.200 --> 00:48:33.416
funding, the unequal application of the

00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.416
grant across the early child childhood

00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:37.496
education and care workforce, the

00:48:37.520 --> 00:48:39.256
restrictions of fee growth and the

00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:41.656
temporary nature of the funding. We

00:48:41.680 --> 00:48:43.575
understand has indicated previously that

00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:45.496
these concerns are shared by many other

00:48:45.520 --> 00:48:47.176
Victorian local governments and the

00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:48.856
majority of local governments also not

00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.335
applying. We highly value our early

00:48:51.359 --> 00:48:53.335
years educators and remain committed to

00:48:53.359 --> 00:48:56.055
supporting them through our continued

00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:58.456
above renumeration, our generous leave

00:48:58.480 --> 00:48:59.896
entitlements and professional learning

00:48:59.920 --> 00:49:02.055
and development opportunities and other

00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.456
employee benefits as is part of the Knox

00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.176
enterprise agreement. Thank you.

00:49:07.200 --> 00:49:09.496
Thank you. Alexander, did you want to

00:49:09.520 --> 00:49:12.520
ask your second question?

00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:21.960
Sorry.

00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:23.815
Has the council considered how refusing

00:49:23.839 --> 00:49:25.416
to apply for the early childhood

00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:27.016
education and care worker retention

00:49:27.040 --> 00:49:29.095
payment reflects poorly on its priority

00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:30.856
of leading, listening and governing

00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:32.856
responsibly, eroding trust and

00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:35.335
satisfaction among the parents and who

00:49:35.359 --> 00:49:36.776
support these services and the

00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.256
rateayers? Thank you. You now have two

00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:41.896
minutes to speak to your question.  my

00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:43.896
question is I guess more about the fact

00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.376
that the council has decided not to

00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:49.400
apply for free federal money. Um

00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.535
and the fact also that our

00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:56.856
correspondences to Bruce Dobson have

00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.880
gone unanswered by him, including a 

00:50:00.319 --> 00:50:03.016
an email from  the federal member Mary

00:50:03.040 --> 00:50:05.736
Doyle on September 24th.

00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.760
Thank you. Um, I'll now refer your

00:50:09.359 --> 00:50:11.095
question to our director of connected

00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.119
communities, Judy Chalkley. Thank you.

00:50:14.640 --> 00:50:17.335
Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um, in regards

00:50:17.359 --> 00:50:19.496
to your question, as indicated in the

00:50:19.520 --> 00:50:20.936
previous answer, we carefully consider

00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:22.936
the worker retention payment and staff

00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.256
feedback before deciding not to apply.

00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:27.256
While I appreciate that you do not

00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:29.416
support the outcome, we have sought to

00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.095
be transparent in communicating the

00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:33.656
decision with both early years staff and

00:50:33.680 --> 00:50:35.416
with any inquiries received from

00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:37.256
families outlining key factors

00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.656
contributing contributing to the

00:50:39.680 --> 00:50:42.680
decision.

00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.016
Thank you for your questions. Um,

00:50:45.040 --> 00:50:47.896
question four is from Justine. Sorry,

00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.920
Justine. Is it Cantry?

00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:52.376
Thank you. Would you like to come

00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.400
forward and ask your question?

00:50:55.520 --> 00:50:57.095
Okay, no problem. I can read your

00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.176
question.

00:50:59.200 --> 00:51:01.736
Okay. In regard to the parklet outside

00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:04.760
Shakalad Cafe, do you think there is any

00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.736
benefit to the community in removing the

00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.136
structure immediately as opposed to

00:51:10.160 --> 00:51:12.055
leaving it while all parties work out

00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:14.856
how to come to a solution to make it

00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:17.656
compliant? Did you want two minutes to

00:51:17.680 --> 00:51:19.256
speak to your question? You're happy

00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:21.416
just to ask the question. Thank you.

00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.976
I'll um put your question forward to our

00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.696
acting director of city livability 

00:51:26.720 --> 00:51:29.720
Jonathan McNal. Thank you.

00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.095
 thank you and through you madame

00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.335
Mayor and thank you Justine for putting

00:51:35.359 --> 00:51:37.656
your question in. Um so this item is

00:51:37.680 --> 00:51:39.016
being considered as part of this

00:51:39.040 --> 00:51:41.095
evening's agenda. Um the building

00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:43.896
inspection advice that is included as an

00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:45.736
attachment to the officer's report for

00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:47.976
outdoor dining identifies a number of

00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.376
structural issues with the parklet

00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.776
located outside of Shockard.

00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.936
The officer's recommendation is to

00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:56.376
remove the structure based on this

00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:58.456
building advice due to the safety risks

00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:01.176
identified. The benefit of its immediate

00:52:01.200 --> 00:52:03.256
removal is to minimize safety risks of

00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:05.335
the m to the community as a result of

00:52:05.359 --> 00:52:07.256
non-compliance and safety issues

00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.496
associated with the structure. It's also

00:52:09.520 --> 00:52:11.016
noted that the structure is located

00:52:11.040 --> 00:52:13.176
within an active car parking area and

00:52:13.200 --> 00:52:15.656
service road without adequate traffic

00:52:15.680 --> 00:52:17.736
barriers to provide separation that

00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:19.736
would normally be required at a location

00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.760
such as this.

00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.856
Thank you. You also have a second

00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:26.616
question. I'll read that question out.

00:52:26.640 --> 00:52:29.016
Thank you. So the second question is on

00:52:29.040 --> 00:52:32.040
behalf of Bon Baronia Rotary, where do

00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.456
you suggest moving the community book

00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.176
library that is currently inside the

00:52:37.200 --> 00:52:40.136
parklet if it was to be removed? Um can

00:52:40.160 --> 00:52:42.616
I also refer this question to yourself

00:52:42.640 --> 00:52:45.575
Mr. McN?

00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:48.136
Thank you and through you madame. Um

00:52:48.160 --> 00:52:50.216
council acknowledges the value of the

00:52:50.240 --> 00:52:52.295
community book library currently located

00:52:52.319 --> 00:52:54.936
within the shock parklet. Um council

00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.575
officers will work with Bronia Rotary to

00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.736
identify a suitable location  within

00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:02.760
the Studfield shopping precinct. Um this

00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:04.376
location would aim to reflect

00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.016
accessibility and visibility of other

00:53:07.040 --> 00:53:08.936
Rotary book libraries in Bronia and

00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:10.936
Wernerna to support the continued

00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:12.856
benefit and ease of access for this

00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:14.696
facility.

00:53:14.720 --> 00:53:16.856
Thank you.

00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.176
Um I think that that brings us to the

00:53:19.200 --> 00:53:21.256
conclusion actually of our public

00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.256
question time. Thank you very much for

00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.136
your questions. Um the next item for

00:53:26.160 --> 00:53:29.160
discussion is item item eight officers

00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.376
reports. We're going to as as we

00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.400
mentioned earlier move to item 8.10

00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.920
outdoor dining parklets. Um would a

00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:42.856
counselor like to move a motion? Thank

00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.416
you. Councelor Baker. Councelor Baker,

00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:46.936
you are moving an alternate this

00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:48.936
evening. That's where correct Mayor

00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:50.535
Cooper. Okay. Okay. So, we're going to

00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.559
place that ultimate on the screen.

00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:58.216
Would you like me to read?

00:53:58.240 --> 00:54:00.376
Um,

00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:03.016
no. Oh, yes. Cuz it's hard for our

00:54:03.040 --> 00:54:04.376
people who are watching.

00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:04.936
Okay. So,

00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:05.736
yes, thank you.

00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.535
No worries.  the alternate motion for

00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:10.856
this item 8.10,

00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:13.656
 outdoor dining parklets.  the

00:54:13.680 --> 00:54:16.136
recommendation that council one note the

00:54:16.160 --> 00:54:17.976
officer's recommendation to remove the

00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:20.055
existing outdoor dining parklets in use

00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.856
by Patty's Tavern  34 Forest Road

00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.815
Fentry Gully and Italy Isisimo on 36

00:54:25.839 --> 00:54:28.456
Forest Road Fentry Gully. Chocolat at

00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.480
213 Stud Road, W Turner South. Stud

00:54:31.520 --> 00:54:34.520
Field Charcoal Chicken  located at 215

00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:38.119
Stud Road, One Turner South, and 24

00:54:38.240 --> 00:54:41.240
Spices  7-13 High Street, Bazewater

00:54:43.520 --> 00:54:45.496
based on the building in inspection

00:54:45.520 --> 00:54:47.016
report.

00:54:47.040 --> 00:54:49.496
Number two, resolve to extend the

00:54:49.520 --> 00:54:51.416
existing outdoor dining parklets

00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.440
currently in use as listed at 0.1 until

00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:57.559
the 1st of March 2026 to allow the

00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.776
proprietor or proprietors  time to

00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:02.616
apply and progress an application for

00:55:02.640 --> 00:55:05.095
outdoor dining at the current locations

00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:06.456
through the relevant statutory

00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:09.480
processes. Item three or.3 provide a

00:55:10.160 --> 00:55:11.976
further extension to allow the operation

00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:15.000
of the outdoor dining parks noted in.1

00:55:15.040 --> 00:55:17.896
after the 1st of March 2026 and until

00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:20.920
the 1st of June 20 2026 should that be

00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:23.575
required subject to the proprietor or

00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:25.976
proprietors having lodged the relevant

00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:28.456
statutory application for an ongoing

00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:30.776
outdoor dining parklet by 5:00 p.m. on

00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:33.800
the 27th of February 2026.

00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.016
Four, instruct officers to commence the

00:55:37.040 --> 00:55:38.776
removal of the existing outdoor dining

00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.800
parklets from from the 2nd of March 2026

00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:44.216
if the proprietor or proprietors have

00:55:44.240 --> 00:55:46.376
not lodged the relevant statutory

00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:48.055
application for an ongoing dining

00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:50.696
parklet by 5:00 p.m. on the 27th of

00:55:50.720 --> 00:55:52.775
February 2026.

00:55:52.799 --> 00:55:55.016
Five, if an extension has been granted

00:55:55.040 --> 00:55:57.815
in accordance with 3 until the 1st of

00:55:57.839 --> 00:56:00.535
June 2026, instruct officers to remove

00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:02.696
the existing partlet parklets outdoor

00:56:02.720 --> 00:56:04.775
dining parklets from the 1st of June

00:56:04.799 --> 00:56:07.095
2026 irrespective of the status of the

00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.335
relevant statutory application. And

00:56:09.359 --> 00:56:11.496
finally, number six, request officers

00:56:11.520 --> 00:56:14.136
provide an update to councilors by the

00:56:14.160 --> 00:56:17.095
13th of February, 2026 on the progress

00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:19.256
on the statutory application and any

00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.136
compliance issues identified to date.

00:56:22.160 --> 00:56:24.456
Thank you. Um, do we have a second for

00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:27.480
the alternate, please?

00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.920
Um, I might just call for a second to

00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.216
first because it it's not tabled if it's

00:56:38.240 --> 00:56:38.936
not.

00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:40.376
Yeah.

00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:41.896
So, do we have a second for the

00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.696
alternate, please?

00:56:44.720 --> 00:56:45.815
Thank you.

00:56:45.839 --> 00:56:47.575
Yeah.

00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:49.896
Thank you, councelor Atwell. Um now

00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.856
before councelor um Baker speaks to the

00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.335
motion, councelor Duncan has a question

00:56:55.359 --> 00:56:58.216
in relation to how it's been written. I

00:56:58.240 --> 00:57:01.240
do thank you and through you may five um

00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.656
doesn't make sense to me. If an

00:57:03.680 --> 00:57:05.496
extension's been granted in accordance

00:57:05.520 --> 00:57:08.520
with.3 until the 1st of June instruct

00:57:09.200 --> 00:57:11.416
officers to remove the existing outdoor

00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:13.976
dining parklet from the 1st of June

00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:15.656
irrespective of the status of the

00:57:15.680 --> 00:57:18.136
relevant statutory application. That

00:57:18.160 --> 00:57:20.136
sounds to me that if an application to

00:57:20.160 --> 00:57:22.456
retain the per the parklet has been

00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:24.456
issued, we're still instructing the

00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:27.480
officers to remove the parklet. Um, that

00:57:28.240 --> 00:57:31.095
doesn't make any sense to me.

00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:33.016
Thank you. Um, I'm just going to get

00:57:33.040 --> 00:57:35.815
some governance advice in relation to

00:57:35.839 --> 00:57:38.839
five.

00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:45.496
I'll hand over to yourself Jonathan,

00:57:45.520 --> 00:57:48.136
Madame May. Um so I guess that what

00:57:48.160 --> 00:57:51.160
what.5 speaks to is there's there's two

00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:53.416
separate matters at play. The first is

00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.815
the existing structure that's on site.

00:57:55.839 --> 00:57:58.055
The second is ongoing use of a parklet

00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:00.216
and that ongoing use doesn't necessarily

00:58:00.240 --> 00:58:02.136
need to include the current structure.

00:58:02.160 --> 00:58:04.616
So 0.5 is speaking to the fact that at

00:58:04.640 --> 00:58:06.216
this point in time the building

00:58:06.240 --> 00:58:08.055
inspection report is recommending that

00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:10.295
the structure itself should be removed.

00:58:10.319 --> 00:58:13.176
But the process for ongoing use of that

00:58:13.200 --> 00:58:16.200
space for a parklet could potentially

00:58:16.720 --> 00:58:18.696
include the existing structure if all of

00:58:18.720 --> 00:58:21.016
the relevant improvements can be made to

00:58:21.040 --> 00:58:23.416
make it compliant. Or it could include

00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:25.896
some other form of structure that the

00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:27.575
business operator might put in its

00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.599
place.

00:58:32.720 --> 00:58:33.736
Yes.

00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:36.760
So, just to clarify that um if if they

00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:41.000
put in the the permit application,

00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:44.216
they would have to modify the structure

00:58:44.240 --> 00:58:46.376
to make it compliant in order for it to

00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:48.216
remain there beyond the 1st of June. If

00:58:48.240 --> 00:58:50.376
those repairs haven't been carried out,

00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:52.216
we're instructing the officers to go and

00:58:52.240 --> 00:58:53.896
and and remove the park. Is that

00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:56.216
correct?

00:58:56.240 --> 00:58:59.240
Um yes, that's the recommendation in

00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.736
this alternate. Um so it should be noted

00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:03.656
that the time frames for removal are

00:59:03.680 --> 00:59:06.055
based around funding being available to

00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:07.736
remove the physical structures which is

00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.760
within this year's um council budget. Um

00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.440
the the works to make the existing

00:59:14.720 --> 00:59:16.936
structures compliant

00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:19.256
um are

00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:21.575
partially costed in the in the officer's

00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:24.599
report. Um but there is some additional

00:59:24.640 --> 00:59:26.696
unknowns around structural footings and

00:59:26.720 --> 00:59:29.016
the like. So it's difficult to cost and

00:59:29.040 --> 00:59:31.016
it's difficult to have a a full

00:59:31.040 --> 00:59:32.696
understanding of what's required to make

00:59:32.720 --> 00:59:35.720
the existing structures um compliant.

00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:39.416
Thank you.

00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:40.856
Councelor Baker, would you like to speak

00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:42.216
to your motion?

00:59:42.240 --> 00:59:44.295
Thank you. Um and thank you for the

00:59:44.319 --> 00:59:47.319
clarification too with that response. 

00:59:48.319 --> 00:59:50.535
the parklets in our municipality have

00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:52.136
been in discussion now for the

00:59:52.160 --> 00:59:54.616
approximately 2 years now and today we

00:59:54.640 --> 00:59:56.136
have the opportunity to make a decision

00:59:56.160 --> 00:59:58.136
that balances compliance, community

00:59:58.160 --> 01:00:00.616
expectations and support for our local

01:00:00.640 --> 01:00:02.295
businesses.

01:00:02.319 --> 01:00:05.256
The alter alternate motion provides a

01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:07.575
pragmatic, fair and transparent pathway

01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:10.599
forward.

01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.216
Firstly, it is clear that the parklets

01:00:14.240 --> 01:00:15.976
cannot remain in their current form

01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.535
indefinitely. Inspections and reports

01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:20.295
have highlighted compliance issues that

01:00:20.319 --> 01:00:23.095
cannot be ignored. At the same time,

01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.256
immediate re removal without allowing

01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:26.856
all the business with businesses with

01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:29.256
parklets the opportunity to apply for

01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:32.280
statutory and permit  approvals um

01:00:32.319 --> 01:00:35.319
would be unfair 

01:00:36.240 --> 01:00:38.216
 approvals would be unfair given

01:00:38.240 --> 01:00:40.376
they've expressed interest in in keeping

01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:42.216
these parklets. Many of these

01:00:42.240 --> 01:00:44.055
proprietors have invested significant

01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:46.055
time, effort and rely on them for their

01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:48.295
trade. especially during the warmer

01:00:48.319 --> 01:00:50.295
months when customer activity is at its

01:00:50.319 --> 01:00:52.696
peak. By supporting this alternate

01:00:52.720 --> 01:00:54.616
motion, the council ensures that

01:00:54.640 --> 01:00:57.016
compliance will be met while giving

01:00:57.040 --> 01:00:58.696
businesses the time they need to

01:00:58.720 --> 01:01:01.095
prepare, submit applications, and meet

01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:02.535
their statutory requirements and

01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:04.055
obligations.

01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:05.815
We have received community feedback with

01:01:05.839 --> 01:01:07.815
varying views. Some members of the

01:01:07.839 --> 01:01:09.496
community want to see these parklets

01:01:09.520 --> 01:01:11.496
removed while others have expressed in

01:01:11.520 --> 01:01:13.016
retaining these parklets at these

01:01:13.040 --> 01:01:15.656
locations. I have listened and given

01:01:15.680 --> 01:01:17.896
thought to all these views. The

01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:19.575
alternate motion acknowledges both

01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:21.896
perspectives. It sets a clear line in

01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:23.736
the sand is establishing that the

01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:25.736
structures are temporary while providing

01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:27.416
a structured and reasonable time frame

01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.055
for businesses to operate responsibly.

01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:31.815
This approach respects both community

01:01:31.839 --> 01:01:33.575
concerns and the practical needs of our

01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:36.535
local traders who have these parklets.

01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.136
Supporting local businesses during

01:01:38.160 --> 01:01:39.656
critical periods is another key

01:01:39.680 --> 01:01:41.815
consideration. The alternate motion

01:01:41.839 --> 01:01:43.656
provides a window for proprietors to

01:01:43.680 --> 01:01:45.496
continue trading through the warmer

01:01:45.520 --> 01:01:47.496
months and the holiday period, which is

01:01:47.520 --> 01:01:49.976
cru crucial for their livelihoods. It

01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:51.496
demonstrates that the council is simply

01:01:51.520 --> 01:01:53.575
not enforcing regulations, but it's

01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:55.335
actively supporting our local economic

01:01:55.359 --> 01:01:57.656
businesses with these local businesses.

01:01:57.680 --> 01:01:59.416
It's an opportunity to trade as they

01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:00.856
have done since the parklets were

01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:02.456
provided and comply with the

01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.775
requirements. Businesses that have

01:02:04.799 --> 01:02:06.775
express expressed a willingness to

01:02:06.799 --> 01:02:08.696
invest in these parklets should be given

01:02:08.720 --> 01:02:10.295
the opport opportunity to do so

01:02:10.319 --> 01:02:12.535
responsibly and the motion ensures that

01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:14.136
they can continue operations in a

01:02:14.160 --> 01:02:16.535
compliant manner. Transparency and

01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:18.136
accountability all central to this

01:02:18.160 --> 01:02:20.055
approach. The process outlined in the

01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:21.815
alternate motion is public structured

01:02:21.839 --> 01:02:24.216
and clearly communicated. Deadlines for

01:02:24.240 --> 01:02:25.896
secretary applications and potential

01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:28.456
removal are explicit. This puts the onus

01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:30.696
on businesses to comply, submit the

01:02:30.720 --> 01:02:33.256
reports or their applications while

01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:34.936
reinforcing the trust in council's

01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.416
decision-making processes. It shows that

01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:39.656
we are being consistent and fair to all

01:02:39.680 --> 01:02:41.335
our businesses that have that have got

01:02:41.359 --> 01:02:43.416
these current parklets currently and

01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:45.815
guided by both regulatory requirements,

01:02:45.839 --> 01:02:47.335
community interest while supporting

01:02:47.359 --> 01:02:50.359
these businesses fairly and equitable.

01:02:50.640 --> 01:02:52.696
In essence, the alternation represents a

01:02:52.720 --> 01:02:55.720
pragmatic balance balanced solution. It

01:02:55.839 --> 01:02:57.976
avoids the removal which could disrupt

01:02:58.000 --> 01:02:59.815
trade and damage relationships with our

01:02:59.839 --> 01:03:02.216
local businesses. At the same time, it

01:03:02.240 --> 01:03:04.216
makes clear that parklets are temporary

01:03:04.240 --> 01:03:06.535
and the compliance is non-negotiable.

01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:08.055
The motion allows businesses to

01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:10.456
undertake the necessary processes while

01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:12.216
supporting these businesses, listening

01:03:12.240 --> 01:03:14.775
to our community views and upholding the

01:03:14.799 --> 01:03:17.256
secretary obligations.

01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:19.496
In in conclusion, it balances

01:03:19.520 --> 01:03:21.496
enforcement with support, respects

01:03:21.520 --> 01:03:23.416
community feedback, maintains

01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:26.216
transparency, and ensures our local

01:03:26.240 --> 01:03:27.976
businesses have a fair, equitable

01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:29.976
opportunity to comply and continue to

01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.055
run these businesses with Parklets

01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:34.216
should they wish to continue with them.

01:03:34.240 --> 01:03:36.295
It is a solution that de demonstrates

01:03:36.319 --> 01:03:38.856
equity, fairness, pragmatism, and the

01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:40.376
council's commitment to both a community

01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:41.896
and economic well-being with these

01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:43.496
businesses. Thank you.

01:03:43.520 --> 01:03:46.456
Thank you, Councelor Baker. Before I I

01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:48.535
move to councelor Atwell, can I just

01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:50.936
remind councilors to be quiet when a

01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:52.936
counselor is speaking? From a chair

01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:55.416
perspective, I'm dead center and I can

01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:57.575
hear everything that's being said. It

01:03:57.599 --> 01:03:59.335
makes it very difficult for me to hear

01:03:59.359 --> 01:04:01.896
the speaker. Councelor Atwell, would you

01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.055
like to speak to the motion?

01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:06.535
 thank you, ma'am. Um, I was going to

01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:08.136
reserve my right, but I had a feeling I

01:04:08.160 --> 01:04:09.896
have a feeling the room might might fall

01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.055
silent, so I thought I'd  get on while

01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.616
I could. Um this is yeah this is a

01:04:14.640 --> 01:04:17.575
particularly challenging one. Um I mean

01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:20.055
this is a this can has been kicked down

01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:23.015
the road  somewhat um since the end of

01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:26.039
co um these structures were built in a

01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:29.575
way that um we wouldn't repeat. I think

01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:31.976
it's fair to say and I think even in the

01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.055
depths of a pandemic I'm not sure we'd

01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:35.736
do it again in the same way because of

01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:38.055
the the issues and the hangover that we

01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:41.079
we arrive at now. Um the report makes

01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.575
very clear um um issues quite

01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:46.216
significant issues with um with building

01:04:46.240 --> 01:04:48.856
compliance um that each of these

01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:50.295
structures represents and that's

01:04:50.319 --> 01:04:52.295
something council has to acknowledge and

01:04:52.319 --> 01:04:55.015
deal with. Um what's also not clear is

01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:57.656
who will ultimately foot the bill for 

01:04:57.680 --> 01:04:59.896
bringing these up to compliance. And um

01:04:59.920 --> 01:05:01.736
of the two alternates that are before us

01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:04.456
tonight um and I I applaud Councelor

01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:07.480
Baker's um work and and and thinking

01:05:07.520 --> 01:05:09.015
about the other alternate I applaud

01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:11.256
Councelor Williams work as well in in

01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:12.856
arriving. I wish I wish there was a way

01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:15.880
to merge points from both. There are um

01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:18.936
for the motion that we're debating right

01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:21.095
now. I wish we could retain the option

01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.256
to keep  Patty's Tavern for the time

01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.656
being and afford it the same opportunity

01:05:25.680 --> 01:05:27.416
 that we might be affording the others

01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:29.176
or or some of the others in remaining

01:05:29.200 --> 01:05:32.200
for a period of time. Um but I do u I

01:05:33.200 --> 01:05:35.496
wish I could keep some some some some

01:05:35.520 --> 01:05:38.520
parts of  of the other alternate um

01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:41.960
around that um ability for people to

01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:45.079
sort of um you know express interest um

01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:47.496
um make good in terms of the works um

01:05:47.520 --> 01:05:49.416
and satisfy the requirements to keep

01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:51.976
some of these um as community assets

01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:53.256
because we've heard from the community

01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:55.256
that um some of these are absolutely

01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:58.280
valuable um in an ongoing way. So, um I

01:05:59.359 --> 01:06:02.359
I'm I'm a bit torn. I feel like, um I'm

01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:04.216
forced to make a decision here where I'm

01:06:04.240 --> 01:06:07.015
not entirely happy either way. Um but

01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:09.575
the point I would sort of round up on is

01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:11.335
um there are significant issues of

01:06:11.359 --> 01:06:13.896
non-compliance. Um they won't go away.

01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:15.496
Um and they'll cost a lot of money to

01:06:15.520 --> 01:06:18.376
fix. Um and um that will remain

01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:21.176
outstanding um whichever alternate  we

01:06:21.200 --> 01:06:23.496
support this evening. So,

01:06:23.520 --> 01:06:24.376
thank you.

01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:26.936
Thank you. Thank you, Council. Would any

01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:28.856
other counselor like to speak for or

01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:31.880
against the motion?

01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:34.216
Question from councelor Duncan.

01:06:34.240 --> 01:06:36.456
Um, sorry, this might be for government

01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:38.696
governance or procedural related. We

01:06:38.720 --> 01:06:40.136
obviously have an alternate motion on

01:06:40.160 --> 01:06:42.216
the table. If this first alternate was

01:06:42.240 --> 01:06:45.095
to be approved, then the second

01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:46.535
alternate would not be debated, would

01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:48.216
it? Because there is no alternate.

01:06:48.240 --> 01:06:49.176
Correct.

01:06:49.200 --> 01:06:51.575
That's all I want to check. Thank you.

01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:54.599
Y councelor Williams.

01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:57.496
Thank you through you, Mayor. I am

01:06:57.520 --> 01:06:59.095
actually going to be speaking against

01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:01.656
this motion  or the alternate motion I

01:07:01.680 --> 01:07:04.055
should say.  whilst fully supportive

01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:06.535
of um keeping parklets and um the

01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:08.535
community benefit that these parklets do

01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:11.559
bring um I must foreshadow that I do

01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:15.416
have another alternate to um to this and

01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.815
as a result of that um I would like to

01:07:17.839 --> 01:07:20.216
raise a couple of points  on this

01:07:20.240 --> 01:07:23.240
current motion on the table. Point five

01:07:23.520 --> 01:07:25.575
is pretty specific in saying if an

01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:27.335
extension has been granted in accordance

01:07:27.359 --> 01:07:30.359
with.3 until 1 June 2026, instruct

01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:34.136
officers to remove the existing outdoor

01:07:34.160 --> 01:07:36.055
dining parklets from the 1st of June

01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:39.079
2026 irrespective of the status of their

01:07:40.319 --> 01:07:43.176
relevant statutory application. That is

01:07:43.200 --> 01:07:44.856
extremely clear and straight to the

01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:46.616
point. They will be torn down from the

01:07:46.640 --> 01:07:49.640
1st of June 2026.

01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:52.216
may not happen straight away as Jonathan

01:07:52.240 --> 01:07:53.976
has explained. It might take six months

01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:55.575
due to budgetary constraints but they

01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:58.216
will be removed. Therefore, I cannot

01:07:58.240 --> 01:08:00.616
support this  motion just based on

01:08:00.640 --> 01:08:03.095
that particular point. I do have various

01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:06.119
other concerns  in that um the parklet

01:08:07.839 --> 01:08:09.656
 one of the parklets u mainly in

01:08:09.680 --> 01:08:11.976
question on this one um being patio

01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:14.616
tavern and talismo

01:08:14.640 --> 01:08:17.416
 I am and have been made aware by

01:08:17.440 --> 01:08:20.440
community members that the  sale of

01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:25.239
Patty's Tavern has a caveat towards that

01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:29.880
that the outdoor dining or the parklet

01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.335
is part of that sale. Essentially, that

01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:35.016
is the wording that I've seen and I

01:08:35.040 --> 01:08:36.695
cannot walk past that wording. We are

01:08:36.719 --> 01:08:39.719
not in the business of promoting a sale

01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.880
for a an individual business within Knox

01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:45.976
providing a financial benefit to that

01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:48.295
one particular business.

01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.319
 I further say that on contact and

01:08:51.839 --> 01:08:53.335
emails from Sheamus Smith from the

01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:55.096
Fenture Gy Village Association, correct

01:08:55.120 --> 01:08:56.616
me if I've got the wording wrong on

01:08:56.640 --> 01:08:59.640
that, and from local residents, they do

01:08:59.679 --> 01:09:01.576
not support that particular parklet at

01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.536
Patty's Tavern. We must also not walk

01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:07.560
past a dangerous situation.

01:09:07.759 --> 01:09:10.759
 as noted, most of these parklets do

01:09:10.799 --> 01:09:12.536
have issues and I am understanding of

01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:15.255
that. However, this parklet at Patty Sav

01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:18.279
in particular has a safety risk on 

01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:20.376
being that it's on Forest Road and

01:09:20.400 --> 01:09:22.135
people are backing into Forest Road and

01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:23.735
there has been various safety concerns

01:09:23.759 --> 01:09:25.976
raised by the public. It is a 50 to 60

01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:29.000
km hour zone.  and  that is backing

01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:31.496
directly from this park lead and

01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:33.655
unfortunately through the information

01:09:33.679 --> 01:09:36.679
provided to us so far the

01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:40.295
visual concerns of people who are

01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:41.976
parking there and in their ability to

01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:44.376
get out of that car park more towards

01:09:44.400 --> 01:09:46.616
the southern end I believe on a main

01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:49.175
road are causing some issues. I'm also

01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:50.616
have been made aware through that

01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:52.536
conversation and emails provided to us

01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:55.416
that this particular business  also

01:09:55.440 --> 01:09:57.576
operates that parklet with 

01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:00.135
electricity through the parklet 

01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:02.056
heating through the parklet and various

01:10:02.080 --> 01:10:05.080
things like that um and also is

01:10:05.679 --> 01:10:08.376
displaying  perhaps alcohol

01:10:08.400 --> 01:10:10.456
advertising which goes against I believe

01:10:10.480 --> 01:10:12.616
council standards

01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:15.496
um we can't walk past the safety

01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:18.135
concerns and the legal concerns that

01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:21.096
this particular parklet raises. But my

01:10:21.120 --> 01:10:23.256
biggest point on this is.5 says

01:10:23.280 --> 01:10:26.056
irregardless of our decision today. 

01:10:26.080 --> 01:10:27.816
if we decide to extend it to the 1st of

01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:29.816
June 2026,

01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:31.896
this particular well all the parklets

01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.616
mentioned here will be taken down.

01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:35.896
You're at time.

01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:38.920
So I would ask for an extension.

01:10:39.280 --> 01:10:41.976
Moved by councelor Duncan, seconded by

01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:45.000
councelor Pearce. All those in favor?

01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:48.215
Yeah, if you have an extension of two

01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:51.239
minutes. Thank you.

01:10:51.440 --> 01:10:53.416
 so irregardless of whatever decision

01:10:53.440 --> 01:10:55.336
we make here tonight based on this

01:10:55.360 --> 01:10:57.896
particular um  alternate and I know

01:10:57.920 --> 01:10:59.576
there has been a lot of work put in um

01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:01.416
by my fellow counselor and I I think she

01:11:01.440 --> 01:11:03.896
shares the same passion that I do about

01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:06.616
keeping these parklets.

01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:09.640
Five gives us a pretty clear outcome. I

01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:12.840
therefore cannot accept this alternate

01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:14.856
motion and I foreshadow that I do have

01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:16.936
another alternate

01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.736
um which I believe believes covers off a

01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:22.296
lot of extras. Um I also do have an

01:11:22.320 --> 01:11:23.816
issue with the ownership of land in

01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:26.135
particular in Patty's Tavern compared to

01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:29.096
other um um parklets and I believe

01:11:29.120 --> 01:11:30.856
council doesn't fully own the property

01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:33.016
that this is on. So therefore can we or

01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:34.936
can't we make that decision tonight

01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:37.416
based on that? Um I've personally spoken

01:11:37.440 --> 01:11:39.416
to local shops in that area as well. Um

01:11:39.440 --> 01:11:41.016
I've done a lot of homework on the

01:11:41.040 --> 01:11:44.040
parklets for probably 6 months now and

01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:46.856
um the general feedback I've had from

01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:49.880
most people in Fry Galy  unfortunately

01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:52.536
are to remove the patty tavern one. So

01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:54.215
therefore I'm listening to the community

01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:55.816
that is speaking loudly and we've had

01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:58.616
several emails including today um from

01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:00.776
residents. Um I've had one in support.

01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:03.096
So um full disclosure I have had one in

01:12:03.120 --> 01:12:05.016
support there. Um but I don't think we

01:12:05.040 --> 01:12:07.896
can walk past the legal liability

01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:10.856
um of this particular parklet and hence

01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:13.416
I foreshadowed mine with a um further 

01:12:13.440 --> 01:12:16.440
alternate  and I would implore all the

01:12:17.120 --> 01:12:19.816
fellow councilors to look at the same

01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:22.376
um.5

01:12:22.400 --> 01:12:24.936
yeah we're making a decision 1 of June

01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:27.960
2026.

01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:29.896
Thank you, councelor Williams. I just

01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:31.496
have a question to the mover and the

01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:33.976
second in relation to 0.5. Is this

01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:36.215
something that you would be willing to

01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:39.239
um adjust?

01:12:40.080 --> 01:12:41.816
Councelor Baker is indicating that she

01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:44.840
would councelor Atwell is is the same.

01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:47.576
Um, is there potentially some wording

01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:49.416
that we could put in there to or just

01:12:49.440 --> 01:12:52.056
delete it or is there a re is it is it

01:12:52.080 --> 01:12:53.816
recommended

01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:56.840
to change the like change the date or

01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:59.960
just remove the clause?

01:13:01.040 --> 01:13:04.040
Um, I refer yep I refer to our acting

01:13:04.320 --> 01:13:06.456
director Jonathan Mcnal.

01:13:06.480 --> 01:13:09.480
Yeah. So there's um wording at 6 for

01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:13.256
councelor Williams um alternate that

01:13:13.280 --> 01:13:15.256
that's effectively the same clause with

01:13:15.280 --> 01:13:16.936
some additional wording at the end.

01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:17.336
Yeah,

01:13:17.360 --> 01:13:20.360
that that says some something says 

01:13:21.040 --> 01:13:23.896
that um that the existing parklet

01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:26.920
structure could be retained

01:13:27.040 --> 01:13:29.655
um providing all works of the parklet

01:13:29.679 --> 01:13:31.096
structures have been completed to

01:13:31.120 --> 01:13:33.576
satisfy the requirements of either the

01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:35.175
department of transport and planning if

01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:38.199
if it's for the um the parklet at um on

01:13:38.400 --> 01:13:39.576
stud road

01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:41.416
and or council's building surveyor if

01:13:41.440 --> 01:13:43.816
it's a parklet that's on council land.

01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:46.616
Yep. Would you be happy to move that?

01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:49.640
So, Yep. I as seconded by councelor

01:13:50.080 --> 01:13:51.416
Alwell. So, there's of course just

01:13:51.440 --> 01:13:53.336
there.

01:13:53.360 --> 01:13:55.655
Okay. Would any other counselor like to

01:13:55.679 --> 01:13:58.376
speak to the motion? We're going to put

01:13:58.400 --> 01:14:00.536
it on the screen if you need clarity.

01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:01.175
Question.

01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:03.576
Yeah. Councelor Aba has a a question.

01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:05.976
 just a question. If if council was to

01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:08.296
make a decision tonight um that

01:14:08.320 --> 01:14:11.320
necessitated the removal of the parklet

01:14:11.679 --> 01:14:13.816
at Patty's Tavern, what what sort of

01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:16.215
time frame would we be looking at? I

01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:18.376
mean, would it continue to operate and

01:14:18.400 --> 01:14:21.256
be accessible for a while until it was

01:14:21.280 --> 01:14:24.215
removed? Would that removal be before

01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:25.576
Christmas, after Christmas? I'm just

01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:27.096
trying to get a sense of the immediate

01:14:27.120 --> 01:14:30.120
impact on on the business.

01:14:30.400 --> 01:14:33.400
 so if council resolved tonight to

01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:36.920
remove that parklet then um unless

01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:40.376
there's an extended time frame then it

01:14:40.400 --> 01:14:43.175
would be pending um suitable contractors

01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:46.199
being available to remove it. So, um, at

01:14:46.320 --> 01:14:47.655
the moment, the officer's recommendation

01:14:47.679 --> 01:14:49.416
is that all of the parklet should be

01:14:49.440 --> 01:14:52.376
removed, um, pending a decision tonight.

01:14:52.400 --> 01:14:53.976
Otherwise,

01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:55.175
that's that's in the officer's

01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:56.776
recommendation in the report rather than

01:14:56.800 --> 01:14:58.536
in the alternative motion that councelor

01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:00.135
Baker's put.

01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:02.215
Thank you. We just got a point of

01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:03.016
clarification.

01:15:03.040 --> 01:15:06.040
Just add to um Jonathan's comments. Um,

01:15:07.040 --> 01:15:09.016
so the motion before you, which is the

01:15:09.040 --> 01:15:12.040
one that's on the screen in point two,

01:15:12.480 --> 01:15:13.496
the motion does a couple of things. One

01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:15.816
is it notes the officer's recommendation

01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:18.840
and then in point two um were council to

01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:21.736
resolve this motion then council would

01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:24.215
extend those parklets currently in use

01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.695
until 1 March to allow all those

01:15:26.719 --> 01:15:29.256
proprietors the opportunity to apply for

01:15:29.280 --> 01:15:31.655
the relevant permits. So what's before

01:15:31.679 --> 01:15:33.416
you in just wanted to be clear what's

01:15:33.440 --> 01:15:35.576
before you in this alternate would not

01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:37.896
see those parklets removed immediately.

01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:39.336
They would follow the process that's

01:15:39.360 --> 01:15:41.816
outlined there in sort of points two 

01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.840
three and onwards.

01:15:45.120 --> 01:15:46.616
Thank you, councelor Hwell.

01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:48.376
Just a follow-up question and yes, thank

01:15:48.400 --> 01:15:50.776
you Mr. Sego. Um, it's a it's a

01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:52.536
hypothetical and a hypothetical, but I

01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:54.616
guess given the the alternate alternate,

01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:57.640
I'm trying to um inform myself in terms

01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:00.760
of um how I what what what I might

01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:02.776
support based on the answer to that. And

01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:04.776
if just a further question on that um so

01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:07.416
it's subject to organizing contractors

01:16:07.440 --> 01:16:10.440
um if we were to remove um all or or one

01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:14.600
or  of the parklets. What is there any

01:16:15.440 --> 01:16:16.856
sort of more precise sense of the

01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:18.536
timing? I mean would it be in the next

01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:20.616
fortnite? Would it be months down the

01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:23.016
track? I'm just trying to get a if is

01:16:23.040 --> 01:16:24.135
there you know could you give me an

01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:25.816
indication of that contracting process

01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:27.576
and what we might typically expect for

01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:30.600
that sort of work.

01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:33.880
Okay.  through you um madam Mayor. Um

01:16:34.320 --> 01:16:36.376
so there's a number of parklets that

01:16:36.400 --> 01:16:38.215
were previously located in other

01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:39.976
locations around the municipality and

01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:41.976
they were progressively removed over a

01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:45.000
period of about 4 weeks um

01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:49.336
 2 to 3 months ago. So I would

01:16:49.360 --> 01:16:52.360
anticipate that barring what's in the

01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:54.776
alternate which talks about a date after

01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:57.800
the 1st of March um it would be probably

01:16:58.400 --> 01:17:00.056
over the next month or so I would have

01:17:00.080 --> 01:17:02.936
thought.

01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:04.856
Thank you.

01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:06.616
Would any other counselor like to speak

01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:08.936
to the motion?

01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:11.336
Councelor Kennet has a question and then

01:17:11.360 --> 01:17:13.175
I'll come to you.

01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:15.096
Thank you through through you madame

01:17:15.120 --> 01:17:18.120
Mayor.  I just had two questions

01:17:19.120 --> 01:17:22.120
um that um would probably be directed to

01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:26.920
Mr. McN. Um, is there a street trading

01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:30.056
permit for the use of the parklets by

01:17:30.080 --> 01:17:33.080
the businesses and do these businesses

01:17:33.679 --> 01:17:35.896
carry public liability insurance on

01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.416
those parklets?

01:17:37.440 --> 01:17:39.175
Thank you. I will direct those questions

01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:42.199
to our acting director. Thank you.

01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:45.736
Through you, madame Mayor. So, um,

01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:48.616
currently the the requirement for a

01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:51.496
street trading permit has has been waved

01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:53.336
for these businesses while the parklets

01:17:53.360 --> 01:17:56.215
are in place. So, that was a a decision

01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:59.239
that was um that was made. Um, and there

01:17:59.280 --> 01:18:02.280
is public liability insurance in place.

01:18:02.480 --> 01:18:04.776
Yeah. $20 million.

01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:07.800
Yeah. So, so it might be sorry, the fees

01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:10.056
for for path trading for these parklets

01:18:10.080 --> 01:18:13.080
has been waved currently. Yeah.

01:18:14.080 --> 01:18:17.080
Thank you, councelor Lockwood.

01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:19.976
Well, first a question. We've got the

01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:23.000
point six in both nations is um to use

01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:25.416
council's building surveyor. Um

01:18:25.440 --> 01:18:26.936
shouldn't we say registered building

01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:28.936
surveyor? We're restricting competition

01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:31.960
here. I'm excluding the private sector.

01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:35.016
Um don't see why we have to particularly

01:18:35.040 --> 01:18:37.816
specify which building surveyor we use.

01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:40.215
Um

01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:43.096
is that a question? Yes. question.

01:18:43.120 --> 01:18:44.695
Can I refer that to you?

01:18:44.719 --> 01:18:45.576
Sure, Jonathan.

01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:47.736
Um, so the reason we have specifically

01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:49.976
referenced council's building surveyor

01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:51.976
um is because these parklets are all

01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:55.000
located on land that is a road reserve.

01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:57.896
Um, and being land on a road reserve,

01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:00.920
um, it doesn't,  you cannot issue a

01:19:01.360 --> 01:19:02.936
building permit per se under the

01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:05.175
building regulations. So therefore, it

01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:07.576
would be to council satisfaction and in

01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:09.816
order to satisfy that, we would use our

01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:12.695
in-house experts.

01:19:12.719 --> 01:19:14.376
Thank you. Councelor Lockwood, would you

01:19:14.400 --> 01:19:15.496
like to speak to the motion?

01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:17.736
Oh, yeah. Um, just point out here that

01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:20.296
um we had that hasn't addressed who pays

01:19:20.320 --> 01:19:22.856
for what. Um, the alternate alternate

01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:24.776
does it points out who's responsible at

01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:27.800
the cross and it also this motion lacks

01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:31.960
the um requirement to  start moving

01:19:33.040 --> 01:19:34.856
towards having an outdoor dining policy.

01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:36.056
I realize we could do that on a

01:19:36.080 --> 01:19:37.976
different night, but um there are two

01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.215
things that I think are lacking from the

01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:41.736
current motion that we could well do

01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:44.760
with. Um I just think it's a more it's a

01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:47.256
better approach personally than  than

01:19:47.280 --> 01:19:49.976
reworking this one. Um if we're going to

01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:51.896
pinch bits out of this to improve that

01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:53.496
one, why don't we just switch to this

01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:55.576
one? just doesn't seem to make a lot of

01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:58.600
sense to keep persisting with one motion

01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:01.496
um when there's a perfectly

01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:03.576
um valid alternate except I guess with

01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:05.496
the difference being we we don't keep

01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:07.816
the one in Fry Galley because it's a

01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:09.976
it's a bigger danger than the one in

01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:12.856
Stfield.

01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:15.016
Okay. Thank you, Councelor Lockwood.

01:20:15.040 --> 01:20:16.856
Would any other counselor like to speak

01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:19.655
to the motion?

01:20:19.679 --> 01:20:22.679
 councelor Baker has a question. Thank

01:20:23.040 --> 01:20:25.416
you. um through you, Mayor Coupe. I've

01:20:25.440 --> 01:20:27.976
just got a question.  since the

01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:30.296
parklets have  been built, which I

01:20:30.320 --> 01:20:33.096
think was about 5 years ago, um how many

01:20:33.120 --> 01:20:35.016
of those businesses have changed

01:20:35.040 --> 01:20:36.856
ownership in the time that the parklets

01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:39.256
have been on their site?

01:20:39.280 --> 01:20:40.856
Thank you. Can I please direct that

01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:42.376
question to our acting director,

01:20:42.400 --> 01:20:44.215
Jonathan McN?

01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:46.376
So, in relation to the three parklets

01:20:46.400 --> 01:20:49.175
that remain in place, um the parklet at

01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:51.336
24 spices, so that that business has

01:20:51.360 --> 01:20:54.360
changed owners. Um there were two other

01:20:55.120 --> 01:20:57.576
parklets that changed hands um during

01:20:57.600 --> 01:20:59.336
the life of the parklet. Those two

01:20:59.360 --> 01:21:01.816
parklets have subsequently been removed.

01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:04.135
I I don't have the names of those

01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:07.159
businesses at hand right now, but

01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:17.640
changed ownership and one business

01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:20.695
closed um prior to the parklet being

01:21:20.719 --> 01:21:22.376
removed. Yeah.

01:21:22.400 --> 01:21:24.936
Yeah.

01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:26.856
Okay. Thank you. Would any other

01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:29.880
counselor like to speak to the motion?

01:21:30.400 --> 01:21:32.215
Oh, yes. A follow-up question. Sorry.

01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:34.135
Thank you. And I just wanted to seek

01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:36.616
clarity from councelor Williams's

01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:39.175
comment before about businesses up for

01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:41.416
sale. I would like to understand what

01:21:41.440 --> 01:21:43.576
council's like what advice council have

01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:45.896
got providing us that in in relation to

01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:48.920
businesses who have a commercial um

01:21:50.320 --> 01:21:51.976
public that they're you know intending

01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:53.496
on selling etc. I just want to

01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:55.175
understand what our council's

01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:57.096
perspective is on that. Is it our legal

01:21:57.120 --> 01:21:58.776
obligation? Is it something we need to

01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:01.800
consider or is it irrelevant?

01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:05.000
Thank you. Um yes. Okay.

01:22:05.360 --> 01:22:07.576
Thank you. I'll I'll refer that question

01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:09.896
to yourself Jonathan.

01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:12.615
 through you madame Mayor. So I think

01:22:12.639 --> 01:22:15.096
putting putting aside um that the

01:22:15.120 --> 01:22:17.736
current business at Patty's Tavern has

01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:20.456
been advertised being sale  for for

01:22:20.480 --> 01:22:23.016
sale um I think that all of the

01:22:23.040 --> 01:22:25.416
businesses that have um had the benefit

01:22:25.440 --> 01:22:28.440
of a parklet have have had a commercial

01:22:28.719 --> 01:22:30.135
benefit. They've had that additional

01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:33.159
outdoor dining space. Um but  I don't

01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:36.695
believe that information was sought from

01:22:36.719 --> 01:22:38.776
business owners who who bought into

01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:41.496
businesses previously that had parklets.

01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:43.576
Um I don't believe that they sought any

01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:45.416
advice directly from council as part of

01:22:45.440 --> 01:22:47.336
that process that was specific to the

01:22:47.360 --> 01:22:50.056
parklets themselves.

01:22:50.080 --> 01:22:51.336
Thank you.

01:22:51.360 --> 01:22:54.056
So sorry I just wanted to understand

01:22:54.080 --> 01:22:55.576
from as well thank you for your

01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:58.056
response. Um but whether this is

01:22:58.080 --> 01:22:59.576
something that we consider if somebody

01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:01.816
is considering selling is that something

01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:04.840
that is in our remit as councilors.

01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:13.175
Thank you. I'll attempt to answer the

01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:15.496
question. Council Baker 3D may

01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:18.520
um I'm not sure there's any requirement

01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:20.456
spec like a legal requirement

01:23:20.480 --> 01:23:22.856
specifically on council in this case.

01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:25.175
What I understand is that if it's a

01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:28.199
question of the a business which um has

01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:31.880
a current parklet outside its premises

01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:35.560
um and if the question is whether

01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:38.456
 in if that business is looking to

01:23:38.480 --> 01:23:40.135
either sell the landed buildings or sell

01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:43.159
the business to someone um

01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:46.920
 I I don't see that there's a leg any

01:23:47.280 --> 01:23:49.496
legal obligation on council to be doing

01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:52.215
anything in that situation. Um I guess

01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:54.936
in a normal business transaction

01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:56.695
um with a sort of knowledgeable seller

01:23:56.719 --> 01:23:59.256
and a knowledgeable buyer, you would

01:23:59.280 --> 01:24:01.336
expect that as part of a due diligence

01:24:01.360 --> 01:24:03.655
process associated with you know looking

01:24:03.679 --> 01:24:05.175
to purchase a business, there would be

01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:07.816
the inquiries made around what the all

01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:09.816
the particulars are that might relate to

01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:11.896
that business in including the you know

01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:14.920
the outdoor dining area circumstances.

01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:19.736
Thank you. Would any other counselor

01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:22.760
like to speak to the motion?

01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:26.056
Councelor Williams has a question.

01:24:26.080 --> 01:24:28.135
I would like to ask a question and

01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:29.336
Jonathan, I'm not sure if you'll be able

01:24:29.360 --> 01:24:32.296
to answer this one, but if now that

01:24:32.320 --> 01:24:35.320
we're aware of um in particular, Patty's

01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:38.600
Tavern and the um street footage and um

01:24:40.400 --> 01:24:41.576
the traffic and everything that goes

01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:42.936
through there. If an accident was to

01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:44.456
happen between now and the time that it

01:24:44.480 --> 01:24:46.456
was pulled down,

01:24:46.480 --> 01:24:48.376
is that putting cancel up for neglect or

01:24:48.400 --> 01:24:51.400
are we in any legal risk? Um, if that

01:24:52.480 --> 01:24:54.456
was to happen,

01:24:54.480 --> 01:24:55.896
I'll refer that question to yourself,

01:24:55.920 --> 01:24:57.416
John. Thank you.

01:24:57.440 --> 01:24:59.256
Thank you, Madame May.  and thank you

01:24:59.280 --> 01:25:01.256
for the question, Councelor Williams.

01:25:01.280 --> 01:25:04.056
Um, the the short answer is yes, there

01:25:04.080 --> 01:25:07.080
is there is risk to council. Um we um

01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:10.615
built the current structures um and we

01:25:10.639 --> 01:25:12.215
built them at a time where there were

01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:14.936
very um very few guidelines and and

01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:17.416
certainly um the the framework that you

01:25:17.440 --> 01:25:18.776
would put around a structure like this

01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:20.536
now is vastly different particularly

01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:23.016
around protecting users from moving

01:25:23.040 --> 01:25:25.416
traffic. Um that same risk applies to

01:25:25.440 --> 01:25:27.016
all of the parklets not just Patty

01:25:27.040 --> 01:25:29.256
Staven.

01:25:29.280 --> 01:25:31.096
Thank you

01:25:31.120 --> 01:25:34.120
councelor Duncan. Um through you may um

01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:36.296
with respect to the department of

01:25:36.320 --> 01:25:38.215
transport and planning understand the

01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:41.175
the parklet at Patty's abuts immediately

01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:44.199
the road however the one  at the other

01:25:44.320 --> 01:25:47.320
two or the other two at shakalad and at

01:25:47.360 --> 01:25:50.360
um spices actually abut a car park not

01:25:50.639 --> 01:25:53.336
adjacent a road. So is the department of

01:25:53.360 --> 01:25:55.175
transport and planning actually

01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:57.096
responsible for the car park at

01:25:57.120 --> 01:25:58.776
Studfield? Therefore, would have to make

01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:00.695
the ultimate decision with respect to

01:26:00.719 --> 01:26:03.416
that?

01:26:03.440 --> 01:26:04.776
Thank you.

01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:07.576
Three you madame may. Um yes. So so the

01:26:07.600 --> 01:26:10.600
the um car park and service road along

01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.215
Star Road so shops which is the shoplad

01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:17.096
and charcoal chicken um parklet um that

01:26:17.120 --> 01:26:18.776
is located on department of transport

01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:21.496
and planning land. So they will be um

01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:24.056
the ultimate decision maker in relation

01:26:24.080 --> 01:26:26.536
to an outdoor dining parklet at that

01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:29.560
location. Um and should council resolve

01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:32.056
to continue supporting the parklet in

01:26:32.080 --> 01:26:34.215
that location, then council would

01:26:34.239 --> 01:26:36.936
support that that process and see see it

01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:39.096
through with the department. Um the

01:26:39.120 --> 01:26:41.576
other two parklets are substantially

01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:43.496
located on land that's controlled or

01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:45.655
owned by council with the exception of

01:26:45.679 --> 01:26:47.655
Patty's which has a small portion of the

01:26:47.679 --> 01:26:49.816
parking space that's actually on a

01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:52.840
private private title which is a um 

01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:56.936
which was of of its day when the

01:26:56.960 --> 01:26:59.655
subdivision was was put through to

01:26:59.679 --> 01:27:01.175
ensure that parking remained out the

01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:02.615
front of shops. So part of the car

01:27:02.639 --> 01:27:05.639
parking space and the footpath sits on

01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.840
private land.

01:27:10.480 --> 01:27:12.376
Thank you.

01:27:12.400 --> 01:27:14.056
Would any other counselor like to speak

01:27:14.080 --> 01:27:17.080
to the motion?

01:27:19.120 --> 01:27:21.896
Um I just have a question before I speak

01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:24.776
to the motion. Um, councelor Lockwood

01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:26.936
mentioned that this this motion on the

01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:29.960
table doesn't refer to who is um

01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:34.456
responsible for the costs. On on the

01:27:34.480 --> 01:27:37.480
back of this there's page two

01:27:38.320 --> 01:27:41.256
um point 8 does talk about responsible

01:27:41.280 --> 01:27:44.280
says that the current parklet

01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:47.336
pardon the

01:27:47.360 --> 01:27:50.056
Oh, it's the alternate alternate.

01:27:50.080 --> 01:27:52.135
I'm looking at that one. Yeah. Okay.

01:27:52.159 --> 01:27:54.376
Sorry. Thank you for that. I've picked

01:27:54.400 --> 01:27:57.400
up the wrong sheet of paper. Um, yes, I

01:27:57.600 --> 01:28:00.600
see that now. Um, okay.

01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:03.960
Um,

01:28:05.120 --> 01:28:07.256
I Okay. So, does any other counselor

01:28:07.280 --> 01:28:09.336
want to speak to the motion before I do?

01:28:09.360 --> 01:28:12.360
No. Okay. I in in principle I want to

01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:15.800
support this motion because um the the

01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:18.056
motion that  councelor Williams

01:28:18.080 --> 01:28:21.080
intends to put up doesn't support

01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:24.760
obviously Patty's Tavern and from my

01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:26.615
perspective

01:28:26.639 --> 01:28:29.639
um I think that every single business

01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:32.376
that has a a parklet is actually

01:28:32.400 --> 01:28:35.400
receiving a benefit. Um and it's it's

01:28:35.679 --> 01:28:38.679
irrelevant if um if they change hands or

01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:40.936
sell their business. As we've heard that

01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:42.456
there have been other businesses that

01:28:42.480 --> 01:28:44.695
have done that over the period of time

01:28:44.719 --> 01:28:46.456
that they've had the parklets. There's

01:28:46.480 --> 01:28:48.536
been no issue with that in the past and

01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:50.215
I don't believe that there should be an

01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:53.239
issue with that now. Um, and I did look

01:28:54.080 --> 01:28:57.080
up that ad on the internet and it was an

01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:01.800
ad which was placed on the 12th of

01:29:02.080 --> 01:29:05.080
December in 2024. Is that the ad that

01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:08.199
you're talking about?

01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:11.416
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is cuz I did

01:29:11.440 --> 01:29:14.440
take it from that one. So,

01:29:14.719 --> 01:29:16.695
I mean, I I would I haven't even had the

01:29:16.719 --> 01:29:19.719
opportunity to um ask if Patty's Tavern

01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:22.456
are intending to continue to to sell it.

01:29:22.480 --> 01:29:24.776
And even if they are, it it actually

01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:26.536
doesn't affect my decision making in

01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:29.560
this process because um as we've seen,

01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:32.920
others have done it. um

01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:36.936
in relation to the risks that council

01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:39.816
are facing, it's associated with all and

01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:41.336
that's why the officers have actually

01:29:41.360 --> 01:29:43.576
recommended that we remove all of them.

01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:45.496
And what councilors have tried to do is

01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:47.496
extend that period of time so that those

01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:49.816
who are interested in pursuing the

01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:52.840
parklet avenue will number one get all

01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:54.936
the permits in place and number two

01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:56.856
obviously make all the changes in terms

01:29:56.880 --> 01:29:59.880
of compliance um for their structure and

01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:01.736
and I feel that that should be something

01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:04.376
that we do equally for all interested

01:30:04.400 --> 01:30:07.400
parties across the board not just um not

01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:09.736
excluding one. I don't think there's

01:30:09.760 --> 01:30:12.215
substantial reasoning to exclude one

01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:15.239
when it comes to risk. Um, so from my

01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:17.096
perspective, I'd like to support this

01:30:17.120 --> 01:30:19.896
one. Um, if this one is not supported

01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:22.376
and the sec the next one is tabled, then

01:30:22.400 --> 01:30:24.215
I'm obviously flagging that I would like

01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:26.936
to see a change with the first point.

01:30:26.960 --> 01:30:29.960
Um, I will now move u across to

01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:32.215
councelor Baker. Would you like to

01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:34.536
exercise your right of reply, councelor

01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:35.496
Baker?

01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:37.655
Thank you. Yes, I will. Um, and thank

01:30:37.679 --> 01:30:39.016
you for the commentary from my

01:30:39.040 --> 01:30:42.040
colleagues. Um,

01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:45.960
where do I start? Um, Patty's Tavern and

01:30:46.320 --> 01:30:47.976
I agree with the comments that this

01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:49.816
business should not be excluded. They

01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:51.896
should be treated fair and equitably

01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:53.736
along with the other as it was pointed

01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:56.760
out quite correctly. Um, these pockets

01:30:57.360 --> 01:30:58.856
have all been put at risk. It's not just

01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:01.880
one, it's all of them. So to exclude

01:31:02.080 --> 01:31:04.856
Patty's Tavern is completely unfair and

01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:06.856
I I feel like it's a bit biased against

01:31:06.880 --> 01:31:09.880
them. So I am not sitting comfortably

01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:22.135
Let's let's just start

01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:23.496
off.

01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:25.256
Um,

01:31:25.280 --> 01:31:27.816
so councelor, can we just stop? You have

01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:29.416
stopped the call.  councelor Williams

01:31:29.440 --> 01:31:31.175
has called the point of order point of

01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:33.256
order in relation to you using the word

01:31:33.280 --> 01:31:36.280
bias. Um,

01:31:37.120 --> 01:31:39.576
I'm not sure that  you said it was

01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:42.215
specifically councelor Williams though.

01:31:42.239 --> 01:31:43.655
I might have missed I don't think you

01:31:43.679 --> 01:31:43.896
did.

01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:45.736
I didn't. I just was saying that in

01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:48.296
relevant that um to the comments that

01:31:48.320 --> 01:31:50.856
were made that were to exclude Patty's

01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:53.816
um based that it was unsafe. Um and from

01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:56.215
what I'm hearing they were all unsafe.

01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:58.936
So to exclude Patties as as a one-off I

01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:00.536
feel like that they've been targeted in

01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:02.856
this sense which I think is unfair.

01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:03.976
Okay.

01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:06.135
I'm I'm going to overrule it. I I don't

01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:07.576
think that it's been specifically

01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:10.600
targeted towards yourself.

01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:15.016
No, there's no questions or cross

01:32:15.040 --> 01:32:17.175
debate. Can we please let the councelor

01:32:17.199 --> 01:32:20.199
finish a right of reply? Thank you. Um,

01:32:20.480 --> 01:32:23.480
so as I mentioned, this alton I have put

01:32:24.080 --> 01:32:26.456
up I feel is fair and equitable to all

01:32:26.480 --> 01:32:28.376
those businesses in KKnox that have got

01:32:28.400 --> 01:32:30.456
these parklets. It's been identified

01:32:30.480 --> 01:32:32.776
that they are all unsafe and we need to

01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:34.695
deal with this manner and this is an

01:32:34.719 --> 01:32:36.536
option where these businesses and the

01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:38.376
community have both community have been

01:32:38.400 --> 01:32:40.456
listened to. The businesses have been

01:32:40.480 --> 01:32:42.695
listened to um and this is our due

01:32:42.719 --> 01:32:44.615
diligence in listening to both sides of

01:32:44.639 --> 01:32:46.135
the story. It's addressing both the

01:32:46.159 --> 01:32:49.159
issues of safety concerns, getting the

01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:50.776
paperwork in, and it's been fair and

01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:53.016
equitable across the board for business

01:32:53.040 --> 01:32:55.655
owners and for the community members who

01:32:55.679 --> 01:32:57.816
have expressed concern or in support of

01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:00.840
these parklets. So, it's practical, it's

01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:03.096
fair, it's equitable, and it's I feel

01:33:03.120 --> 01:33:04.776
it's a responsible decision in the sense

01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:06.376
that we are listening to everyone and

01:33:06.400 --> 01:33:08.536
we're not isolating one or two

01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:10.135
businesses, however you want to look at

01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:12.536
it. um that we are demonstrating that we

01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:14.456
are in support of our local businesses

01:33:14.480 --> 01:33:17.256
through this process um while supporting

01:33:17.280 --> 01:33:19.175
them to do their due diligence while

01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:20.536
we're all listening to the community

01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:23.560
views as well. So you know with the the

01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:26.376
alternate it's dealing with the issue

01:33:26.400 --> 01:33:28.856
that these parklets are unsafe. So we

01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:31.336
are dealing with that in this alternate.

01:33:31.360 --> 01:33:34.360
So to do otherwise I think would be just

01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:37.576
detrimental. So I acknowledge the

01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:39.655
comments made by my fellow colleagues,

01:33:39.679 --> 01:33:41.976
but this one addresses out it's a clear

01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:44.615
outcome and it's a deadline. So if these

01:33:44.639 --> 01:33:47.336
parklets have not been dealt with um by

01:33:47.360 --> 01:33:49.736
the people applying for them, then they

01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:52.135
just simply get removed. Simple as that.

01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:54.456
Thank you. Thank you. So I'll now put

01:33:54.480 --> 01:33:57.480
the vote. All those in favor,

01:34:00.400 --> 01:34:03.400
all those against.

01:34:04.560 --> 01:34:07.560
Okay. Um, so the motion was lost. A

01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:09.655
division has been called. So I'll set

01:34:09.679 --> 01:34:11.736
that aside. And I'll now call all those

01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:14.695
in favor. Councelor Baker, Councelor

01:34:14.719 --> 01:34:17.175
Atwell, Councelor Considine, Councelor

01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:20.199
Cooper. All those against,

01:34:20.320 --> 01:34:23.320
Councelor Kennet, Councelor um Pearce,

01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:25.896
Councelor Lockwood, Councelor Williams,

01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:28.920
and Councelor Duncan. Um the motion has

01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:31.256
been lost.

01:34:31.280 --> 01:34:33.016
Okay. So we'll now move on. And I

01:34:33.040 --> 01:34:35.256
believe that we have foreshadowed there

01:34:35.280 --> 01:34:36.936
is another alternate on the table.

01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:38.936
Councelor Williams

01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:41.960
um is going to table another alternate.

01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:45.096
We're going to get that on the screen.

01:34:45.120 --> 01:34:46.776
And for our viewers at home, could you

01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:49.736
please read out your alternate?

01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:51.736
Sure can. It's a long one. Madame May,

01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:52.215
I know.

01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:55.239
We will start.  the council note the

01:34:55.280 --> 01:34:57.416
officer's recommendations to remove the

01:34:57.440 --> 01:34:59.655
existing outdoor dining park lits in use

01:34:59.679 --> 01:35:02.376
by Patty's Tavern, the Telismo,

01:35:02.400 --> 01:35:05.175
Shakalad, Studfield, Charcoal Chicken,

01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:07.256
and 24 Spices with their respective

01:35:07.280 --> 01:35:09.655
addresses as per that report based on

01:35:09.679 --> 01:35:11.896
the building inspection report. Point

01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:14.296
two, resolve to extend the existing

01:35:14.320 --> 01:35:15.976
outdoor dining parklet in use by

01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:19.000
Shakalad Stfield charcoal chicken and 24

01:35:19.360 --> 01:35:22.135
spices until 1 March 2026 to allow the

01:35:22.159 --> 01:35:25.016
respective proprietor or propriet time

01:35:25.040 --> 01:35:27.416
to apply and progress an application for

01:35:27.440 --> 01:35:29.336
outdoor dining at the current locations

01:35:29.360 --> 01:35:31.976
through the relevant stratey processes.

01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:33.576
Point three, instruct officers to

01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:35.256
commence the removal of the outdoor

01:35:35.280 --> 01:35:37.096
dining parklet in use by Patty's Tavern

01:35:37.120 --> 01:35:39.096
and at Telismo.

01:35:39.120 --> 01:35:41.736
Point 4 provide a further extension to

01:35:41.760 --> 01:35:43.976
allow the operation on of the outdoor

01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:46.456
dining parklets noted in point 2 after

01:35:46.480 --> 01:35:49.480
March 1, 2026 until 1 June 2026. Should

01:35:51.120 --> 01:35:52.695
that be required subject to the

01:35:52.719 --> 01:35:54.936
respective propritors having lodged the

01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:57.096
relevant statutory application for

01:35:57.120 --> 01:35:59.655
ongoing outdoor dining parklet by 5:00

01:35:59.679 --> 01:36:02.679
p.m. on the 27th of February, 2026.

01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:04.296
Point five, instruct officers to

01:36:04.320 --> 01:36:06.056
commence the removal of the outdoor

01:36:06.080 --> 01:36:08.456
dining park that's noted in point 2 from

01:36:08.480 --> 01:36:11.480
2nd of March 2026 if the respective

01:36:12.080 --> 01:36:14.376
proprietors have not lodged the relevant

01:36:14.400 --> 01:36:17.256
statutory application for an ongoing

01:36:17.280 --> 01:36:19.496
outdoor dining pucklet by 5:00 p.m. on

01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:22.520
27th of February 2026.

01:36:23.040 --> 01:36:26.040
6. If an extension has been granted in

01:36:26.480 --> 01:36:29.480
accordance with point 4 until 1 June

01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:32.615
2026, instruct officers to remove the

01:36:32.639 --> 01:36:35.016
outdoor dining parklets noted in point 2

01:36:35.040 --> 01:36:38.040
from 1 June 2026 irrespective of the

01:36:38.639 --> 01:36:40.536
status of the relevant statutory

01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:43.016
application unless all works to the

01:36:43.040 --> 01:36:45.336
parklet structures have been completed

01:36:45.360 --> 01:36:47.095
to satisfy the requirements of the

01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:49.896
department of transport and planning TTP

01:36:49.920 --> 01:36:51.736
and or the building  council's

01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:54.760
building surveyor Point 7 provide

01:36:54.960 --> 01:36:56.776
inprincipal support for an outdoor

01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:58.936
dining park led to benefit shakalad and

01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:00.776
studfield charcoal chicken at stud road

01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:03.800
one south noting that any outdoor dining

01:37:04.400 --> 01:37:06.456
provision in this location is subject to

01:37:06.480 --> 01:37:08.056
department of transport and planning's

01:37:08.080 --> 01:37:10.695
DTP approval.

01:37:10.719 --> 01:37:13.416
Point 8. Note that the proprietors of

01:37:13.440 --> 01:37:15.496
Chocolard and Studfield Choco Chicken

01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:18.296
may apply to DTP via council for

01:37:18.320 --> 01:37:20.296
approval to provide outdoor dining at

01:37:20.320 --> 01:37:22.296
the current parklet location and are

01:37:22.320 --> 01:37:23.896
responsible for costs associated with

01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:26.920
any statutory requirements to apply and

01:37:27.119 --> 01:37:29.256
establish outdoor dining benefiting

01:37:29.280 --> 01:37:31.896
their businesses. Point nine, request

01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:34.135
officers present a report to council by

01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:37.016
the end of April 2026 outlining a

01:37:37.040 --> 01:37:40.040
possible approach for a municipalwide

01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:42.936
outdoor dining policy and potential

01:37:42.960 --> 01:37:45.016
timing to initiate the development of

01:37:45.040 --> 01:37:46.456
the policy.

01:37:46.480 --> 01:37:48.856
Thank you. Do we have a seconder for the

01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:51.880
alternate?

01:37:52.639 --> 01:37:54.296
Councelor Pearce is seconding the

01:37:54.320 --> 01:37:56.776
alternate. Thank you.  councelor

01:37:56.800 --> 01:37:58.215
Williams, would you like to speak to

01:37:58.239 --> 01:37:59.736
your motion?

01:37:59.760 --> 01:38:01.256
Yes, thank you through you, Madame

01:38:01.280 --> 01:38:04.280
Mayor. Um, as mentioned in in the

01:38:04.480 --> 01:38:07.095
previous motion, um, I've door knocked

01:38:07.119 --> 01:38:09.896
most businesses in Starfield and, um,

01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:11.896
um, obviously we've got some close to

01:38:11.920 --> 01:38:13.896
800 signatures for the community benefit

01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:16.615
that this,  these parklets bring or

01:38:16.639 --> 01:38:18.776
probably 900 plus in total that were

01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:20.536
presented tonight. I would like to note

01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:22.056
that we've had clubs  including

01:38:22.080 --> 01:38:24.135
Rotary Club of Bronia um, local

01:38:24.159 --> 01:38:26.376
residents and letters and businesses in

01:38:26.400 --> 01:38:28.376
support of this. would also like to make

01:38:28.400 --> 01:38:29.736
note that I've had a phone call from

01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:32.760
Jackson Taylor MP this morning who also

01:38:33.440 --> 01:38:36.376
 supports um and would like to assist

01:38:36.400 --> 01:38:39.016
with any DTP issues that might occur at

01:38:39.040 --> 01:38:41.736
um the Chocolard and Chuckle Chicken um

01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:44.760
approach. Um I guess in a in a nutshell,

01:38:45.040 --> 01:38:47.416
most of it covers off similar points to

01:38:47.440 --> 01:38:49.736
the council Baker's  alternate motion,

01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:52.760
but provides um a couple of adjustments

01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:54.856
to some of the points. Um obviously one

01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:56.936
being Patty's Tavern um and the removal

01:38:56.960 --> 01:38:59.496
of that, but also providing a few more

01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:02.215
options in terms of  the extensions

01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:05.239
rather than the previous.5 which was to

01:39:05.360 --> 01:39:08.360
 remove that one June 2026.

01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:10.856
 this also provides a report that

01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:12.536
comes back to cancel by the end of April

01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:15.560
2026 which outlines an approach to o

01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:18.456
overall outdoor dining policy and I

01:39:18.480 --> 01:39:21.095
think in a nutshell that probably is the

01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:23.095
basis of why I've made this amendment

01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:24.776
because we're here today because we

01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:27.256
don't have an outdoor  dining policy.

01:39:27.280 --> 01:39:29.976
Um so therefore we're making calls

01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:32.536
without having the knowledge of what we

01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:34.215
are actually doing in that regards. they

01:39:34.239 --> 01:39:37.239
were obviously um products of co times

01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:41.880
um and the previous um council 

01:39:41.920 --> 01:39:43.256
obviously took that on board and and

01:39:43.280 --> 01:39:45.896
allowed that to happen um but we've been

01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:48.056
presented with the issue where we don't

01:39:48.080 --> 01:39:49.736
have a policy to know what we're doing

01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:51.576
or where we're heading and I think that

01:39:51.600 --> 01:39:53.896
probably streamlines where my my biggest

01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:56.296
approach on this alternate the alternate

01:39:56.320 --> 01:39:59.095
is um for us to get a report back by

01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:01.816
April 2026 so we know where we all stand

01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:04.615
and then when we're here. Again, if

01:40:04.639 --> 01:40:07.095
there's someone applying for a permit or

01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:08.856
something like that, we have a direct

01:40:08.880 --> 01:40:11.655
policy to be able to guide  our local

01:40:11.679 --> 01:40:13.416
business owners and our local community

01:40:13.440 --> 01:40:15.896
to being able to do that. Um, at the

01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:17.736
moment, we're making, I guess, you know,

01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:19.336
you could almost say policy on the fly

01:40:19.360 --> 01:40:21.016
and, you know, we've been presented this

01:40:21.040 --> 01:40:23.336
to to have to make some pretty tough

01:40:23.360 --> 01:40:25.336
decisions, which is, you know, I think

01:40:25.360 --> 01:40:27.016
councelor Ratwell mentioned that it's

01:40:27.040 --> 01:40:29.655
it's a tough decision either way. Um,

01:40:29.679 --> 01:40:31.576
this this allows that policy to come

01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:34.600
into place. um so that we know where we

01:40:34.639 --> 01:40:37.175
stand um from next year and we can

01:40:37.199 --> 01:40:39.655
decide as a council group if outdoor

01:40:39.679 --> 01:40:42.376
dining is on the agenda for this council

01:40:42.400 --> 01:40:45.095
or if it's not. Um and then allows the

01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:46.695
business owners to still utilize their

01:40:46.719 --> 01:40:48.776
properties um and these additional

01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:51.800
parklets. um and and with extra support

01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:55.095
from us and as noted from councelor 

01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:56.296
sorry from I was about to call him

01:40:56.320 --> 01:40:58.135
counselor Taylor but he was a counselor

01:40:58.159 --> 01:41:00.376
Jackson Taylor the MP who's also said he

01:41:00.400 --> 01:41:03.400
would assist with DTP um any DTP issues

01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:05.095
and addressing that with the minister as

01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:07.496
well. So um there's some overall really

01:41:07.520 --> 01:41:09.736
good support for these to to remain but

01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:11.016
I think it'd be a good option that

01:41:11.040 --> 01:41:13.576
councilors have an option to have a look

01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:16.600
at an overall um municipalwide policy so

01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:18.695
we know where we stand. Thank you,

01:41:18.719 --> 01:41:21.719
Councelor Williams. Councelor Peace.

01:41:23.280 --> 01:41:25.336
Thank you, Madame May. I'll be very

01:41:25.360 --> 01:41:28.135
brief because my colleague, Councelor

01:41:28.159 --> 01:41:30.695
Williams, has basically said everything

01:41:30.719 --> 01:41:32.536
I was going to say. I think it's

01:41:32.560 --> 01:41:34.056
essential that we need to have an

01:41:34.080 --> 01:41:36.615
outdoor dining diningwide policy across

01:41:36.639 --> 01:41:39.416
KKnox. It's becoming more and more,

01:41:39.440 --> 01:41:40.776
especially with the summer months, that

01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:43.256
people want to be able to dine outside.

01:41:43.280 --> 01:41:45.095
And the fact that we don't have a policy

01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:47.655
is really

01:41:47.679 --> 01:41:49.175
something that I didn't realize we

01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:51.976
didn't have. It's a necessary policy and

01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:54.695
we need to have one.

01:41:54.719 --> 01:41:57.416
The parklets under consideration, excuse

01:41:57.440 --> 01:42:00.376
me, I will call them parklets. I have a

01:42:00.400 --> 01:42:02.536
tendency to call them parklets.

01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:04.135
Apologies.

01:42:04.159 --> 01:42:06.536
Um, this allows the business owners

01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:09.560
time, which I think is very important.

01:42:10.320 --> 01:42:12.456
As being a business owner myself, I can

01:42:12.480 --> 01:42:14.215
understand that they can't just make a

01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:16.296
decision, snap decision. They need time

01:42:16.320 --> 01:42:18.456
to be able to understand the costs,

01:42:18.480 --> 01:42:20.776
what's involved, and determine what what

01:42:20.800 --> 01:42:23.496
they're going to do. The community

01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:24.856
support was the biggest thing that came

01:42:24.880 --> 01:42:26.536
out to me. There is huge community

01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:29.560
support for these parklets and councelor

01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:33.016
Baker has has done a lot of work in

01:42:33.040 --> 01:42:36.040
explaining the support from the parklets

01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:38.215
that she was talking about and council

01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:41.239
Williams did the same. So I'm merely

01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:44.600
just reinforcing what council says and I

01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:47.880
support this motion. Thank you.

01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:49.736
Thank you councelor Pearce. Councelor

01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:52.536
Duncan has a question. Um yeah, just

01:42:52.560 --> 01:42:55.560
very quickly um it's it's referred to as

01:42:56.080 --> 01:42:58.135
the parklet outside Shakalad and

01:42:58.159 --> 01:43:00.376
charcoal chicken. It's obviously been a

01:43:00.400 --> 01:43:01.896
petition that's been put forward by

01:43:01.920 --> 01:43:04.536
Shakalad. I'm wondering what is our

01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:07.336
position if Shakalad decide that they

01:43:07.360 --> 01:43:09.416
want to keep their half of it and Choco

01:43:09.440 --> 01:43:11.816
Chicken don't want to keep their half.

01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:14.536
How how would that play out in the grand

01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:15.655
scheme of things?

01:43:15.679 --> 01:43:17.416
I'll refer that question to our acting

01:43:17.440 --> 01:43:20.440
director, Jonathan Mcnal. Thank you.

01:43:20.719 --> 01:43:23.016
Thank you. Through you, Madame May. Um,

01:43:23.040 --> 01:43:26.040
so,  I guess officers have made every

01:43:26.320 --> 01:43:28.376
attempt to engage with the owner of the

01:43:28.400 --> 01:43:30.135
charcoal chicken store and that they

01:43:30.159 --> 01:43:32.695
haven't, um, expressed an opinion or a

01:43:32.719 --> 01:43:34.536
desire to participate one way or the

01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:37.095
other. Um, the current structure has

01:43:37.119 --> 01:43:39.736
been built, I guess, to service two

01:43:39.760 --> 01:43:42.215
businesses in a single structure. Um, I

01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:44.296
we haven't necessarily sought advice as

01:43:44.320 --> 01:43:45.816
to whether half of it could be removed

01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:47.655
and the other half retained. I suspect

01:43:47.679 --> 01:43:50.679
it probably couldn't. Um but we would

01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:52.776
probably need to take that on note

01:43:52.800 --> 01:43:55.095
around the existing structure other than

01:43:55.119 --> 01:43:57.816
to say that there are still all those

01:43:57.840 --> 01:43:59.256
outstanding issues that have been

01:43:59.280 --> 01:44:01.496
identified by our building team in

01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:03.576
relation to the I guess the suitability

01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:06.600
of that structure to remain in place.

01:44:06.639 --> 01:44:08.296
Thank you. Do you have any follow-up

01:44:08.320 --> 01:44:09.416
questions?

01:44:09.440 --> 01:44:11.655
You'll speak to the motion. Thank you.

01:44:11.679 --> 01:44:13.496
Um

01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:15.655
Council Baker, I I like your one with

01:44:15.679 --> 01:44:17.736
the the fair and equitable including

01:44:17.760 --> 01:44:19.896
Patty's Tavern in it. Um, this one,

01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:21.256
Councelor Williams, we've obviously done

01:44:21.280 --> 01:44:24.056
a lot of work on this together.  I do

01:44:24.080 --> 01:44:25.896
like the option that's included in here

01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:27.256
to actually look at a at a

01:44:27.280 --> 01:44:29.896
municipalwwide outdoor dining policy and

01:44:29.920 --> 01:44:31.976
how that would fit in for for these

01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:33.576
types of structures or more per

01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:36.600
permanent ones in the future. Um, I also

01:44:37.119 --> 01:44:39.175
like how it's very clear on on who is

01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:42.199
responsible for the costs. However, if

01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:44.695
the charcoal chicken half was to be

01:44:44.719 --> 01:44:46.615
removed, would we be assuming that that

01:44:46.639 --> 01:44:48.536
shakalard would be responsible for the

01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:51.560
costs to the uplift of the the entire um

01:44:52.400 --> 01:44:54.536
structure or potentially moving half?

01:44:54.560 --> 01:44:57.256
I'm unsure of um from a risk

01:44:57.280 --> 01:44:59.256
perspective. We put these things in 5

01:44:59.280 --> 01:45:00.936
years ago. The use of the roads that

01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:02.695
they're on hasn't changed. So, I don't

01:45:02.719 --> 01:45:04.936
really see an issue with them remaining

01:45:04.960 --> 01:45:07.496
for another couple of months while we

01:45:07.520 --> 01:45:09.736
work out the the finer details. So I'm

01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:11.336
not quite sure the urgency that this

01:45:11.360 --> 01:45:13.175
suddenly comes up although we are aware

01:45:13.199 --> 01:45:15.655
it is a risk. Um that risk hasn't

01:45:15.679 --> 01:45:17.816
increased or decreased over the last 5

01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:20.215
years from what I can tell. What I am

01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:22.296
uncomfortable with in councelor Williams

01:45:22.320 --> 01:45:25.256
is is alternate is the.3 where we're

01:45:25.280 --> 01:45:27.175
specifically instructing officers to

01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:30.199
remove the existing parklet at at

01:45:30.480 --> 01:45:33.416
Patty's. Um we are aware of the risk

01:45:33.440 --> 01:45:36.440
etc. I'm I'm supportive of everything in

01:45:36.639 --> 01:45:37.736
there, but I just don't think it's fair

01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:39.816
and equitable that we're we're

01:45:39.840 --> 01:45:41.896
specifically excluding Patties. And I

01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:43.976
wonder if the mover or second would be

01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:47.000
happy to strike out three in which I

01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:49.336
would be happy to support the remainder

01:45:49.360 --> 01:45:52.360
of the motion. Thank you.

01:45:53.040 --> 01:45:55.016
So I'll refer that question to yourself.

01:45:55.040 --> 01:45:58.040
move her and second her

01:46:02.239 --> 01:46:04.296
if if that is accepted there will be

01:46:04.320 --> 01:46:07.320
subsequent changes I think it will be 7

01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:11.800
and 8 as well and point yeah 2 just a

01:46:14.080 --> 01:46:17.080
bit of a tweak

01:46:19.040 --> 01:46:21.095
through you madame  yes we would be

01:46:21.119 --> 01:46:22.776
accepting of that

01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:24.536
fantastic

01:46:24.560 --> 01:46:27.560
So, what we might do, um, I'll I I'll

01:46:27.679 --> 01:46:29.655
move to other speakers of Oh, sorry. Did

01:46:29.679 --> 01:46:31.816
you want to ask something?

01:46:31.840 --> 01:46:34.840
Yeah. Okay. While while you draft that

01:46:35.040 --> 01:46:37.576
change.

01:46:37.600 --> 01:46:40.056
Yeah. It'll take a moment. Um, can I

01:46:40.080 --> 01:46:42.056
move to other counselors perhaps who

01:46:42.080 --> 01:46:44.615
would like to speak to the motion?

01:46:44.639 --> 01:46:46.776
Councelor Atwell.

01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:48.936
 thank you, Mayor, and councelor

01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:51.960
Duncan.  beat me to it. Um in terms of

01:46:52.400 --> 01:46:53.736
um addressing that point and the

01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:56.695
cascading changes because  I agree

01:46:56.719 --> 01:46:59.719
entirely. I think point 8 um sorry 0

01:46:59.840 --> 01:47:01.576
point 9 and the preparation and

01:47:01.600 --> 01:47:03.576
consideration of a municipalwide outdoor

01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:05.976
dining policy is a is a really good move

01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:08.376
and and I'm glad the alternate um picks

01:47:08.400 --> 01:47:09.816
up on that. Um it would have been a

01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:12.215
shame, however, for Patties um to have

01:47:12.239 --> 01:47:13.976
missed out on the benefits of of of

01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:15.816
consideration under that policy and it

01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:18.776
would have been a a shame for Patties to

01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:20.695
not be afforded the same opportunity to

01:47:20.719 --> 01:47:22.856
continue to trade over the coming 

01:47:22.880 --> 01:47:25.095
festive end ofear period as we are about

01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:27.896
to afford to shalad and and and some

01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:30.776
others. So um I would fully support that

01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:33.336
that adjustment. Um

01:47:33.360 --> 01:47:36.360
um if um I think it's it's being made on

01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:38.615
the I think we've adopted it. So that's

01:47:38.639 --> 01:47:40.936
that's that's good news and um I'm happy

01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:43.336
to see that yeah we'll retain  the use

01:47:43.360 --> 01:47:45.256
of of parklets where the community has

01:47:45.280 --> 01:47:46.776
clearly told us that there's there's

01:47:46.800 --> 01:47:49.800
value. Um the report is the report.

01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:51.095
There are still things to be addressed,

01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:54.119
but this at least um allows that use to

01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:56.856
to continue and gives um everyone a good

01:47:56.880 --> 01:47:59.416
chance to um put their best foot forward

01:47:59.440 --> 01:48:01.655
and and and try and satisfy the

01:48:01.679 --> 01:48:04.679
requirements to  allow these to be 

01:48:05.679 --> 01:48:08.536
a continuing um  feature in in the

01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:11.016
strip. So, um happy to support this

01:48:11.040 --> 01:48:12.856
subject to those changes um appearing

01:48:12.880 --> 01:48:14.615
before us. And we would congratulate

01:48:14.639 --> 01:48:16.776
councelor Williams. I know he's been on

01:48:16.800 --> 01:48:19.095
the phone um and out and about um in

01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:22.119
recent times. Um councelor Baker, I'd

01:48:22.159 --> 01:48:23.976
also acknowledge um her support and

01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:25.896
advocacy for for Patties in this mix.

01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:27.976
And I think my first comment was I wish

01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:30.056
we had a a notice of motion that

01:48:30.080 --> 01:48:32.215
combined elements of both. And this I

01:48:32.239 --> 01:48:33.655
mean almost gets us there. So

01:48:33.679 --> 01:48:35.175
congratulations to the the ward

01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:37.896
counselors um for their work here.

01:48:37.920 --> 01:48:40.376
Thank you councelor Abwell.

01:48:40.400 --> 01:48:42.215
Would any other counselor like to speak

01:48:42.239 --> 01:48:45.239
to the motion? Sure,

01:48:45.920 --> 01:48:48.920
no problem.

01:48:52.639 --> 01:48:54.296
It's just about to come up onto the

01:48:54.320 --> 01:48:57.320
screen now.

01:49:14.320 --> 01:49:17.320
Yes.

01:49:40.080 --> 01:49:43.080
So now I'm going to remove that now.

01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:04.536
Just letting you know we are we are

01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:06.536
changing sort of the finer details to

01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:08.776
the other items to reflect the

01:52:08.800 --> 01:52:10.536
inclusion. So we won't be too much

01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:13.560
longer.

01:52:15.199 --> 01:52:18.199
Um,

01:52:18.880 --> 01:52:21.496
I I think so, but

01:52:21.520 --> 01:52:22.936
some people have indicated they want to

01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:25.960
wait till it's on the screen.

01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:37.016
Did you want to speak in the meantime?

01:52:37.040 --> 01:52:38.936
So, Council Lockwood would like to speak

01:52:38.960 --> 01:52:40.776
to the motion.

01:52:40.800 --> 01:52:42.695
I just just want to congratulate the the

01:52:42.719 --> 01:52:44.695
two ward counselors basically. Um, I was

01:52:44.719 --> 01:52:47.016
a bit uneasy with with backing away from

01:52:47.040 --> 01:52:48.776
Patties, but I did want that policy and

01:52:48.800 --> 01:52:51.655
and an expression of costs. So, I'm

01:52:51.679 --> 01:52:54.679
quite happy with the end result. Um, we

01:52:54.880 --> 01:52:57.175
perhaps could have wrote this earlier.

01:52:57.199 --> 01:52:58.936
Um, note that all proprietors are

01:52:58.960 --> 01:53:01.175
responsible. Yep. That's that's good.

01:53:01.199 --> 01:53:03.575
Um, and I do I do say in the next few

01:53:03.599 --> 01:53:05.575
days I'll be popping down to both these

01:53:05.599 --> 01:53:07.896
parklets to have a coffee or whatever I

01:53:07.920 --> 01:53:10.296
can get. So, not free. I'm not looking

01:53:10.320 --> 01:53:12.135
for a gift, but just I just I like them

01:53:12.159 --> 01:53:14.936
both and I like to sit there and enjoy a

01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:17.016
coffee or or the afternoon sunshine,

01:53:17.040 --> 01:53:19.655
something like that. So, um I might even

01:53:19.679 --> 01:53:20.936
take my own coffee to the one in

01:53:20.960 --> 01:53:23.256
Bazewater just to prove it exists. But,

01:53:23.280 --> 01:53:25.256
 no, I think I think we've come up

01:53:25.280 --> 01:53:27.655
with a reasonably good result. So, let's

01:53:27.679 --> 01:53:29.496
proceed. Otherwise, we're going to say

01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:32.215
um nothing if if we were removing any of

01:53:32.239 --> 01:53:34.695
them, nothing precludes the owner from

01:53:34.719 --> 01:53:36.856
go applying for a permit to put

01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:39.496
something there anyway. and perhaps even

01:53:39.520 --> 01:53:41.416
keeping the wreckage if it is dismantled

01:53:41.440 --> 01:53:44.056
parklet to reconstruct and do it

01:53:44.080 --> 01:53:46.695
properly. Um I wouldn't recommend it but

01:53:46.719 --> 01:53:48.296
it's always possible.

01:53:48.320 --> 01:53:50.135
Thank you councelor Lockwood. I'm just

01:53:50.159 --> 01:53:52.936
going to let um our governor's manager

01:53:52.960 --> 01:53:54.776
explain the changes.

01:53:54.800 --> 01:53:56.936
Thank you chair through you councilors

01:53:56.960 --> 01:53:58.776
just just to be really clear perhaps

01:53:58.800 --> 01:54:01.575
just explain that um we we've added

01:54:01.599 --> 01:54:03.896
obviously Patty's tavern um and it tell

01:54:03.920 --> 01:54:06.920
you into point two we've deleted item

01:54:07.199 --> 01:54:10.056
three there's a change that we've made

01:54:10.080 --> 01:54:13.080
um further down so what is now on screen

01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:16.135
before you not immediately clear from

01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:19.159
the red highlighting but um eight and

01:54:19.440 --> 01:54:22.440
nine was a combined section so given

01:54:23.119 --> 01:54:24.135
that we're adding

01:54:24.159 --> 01:54:27.016
locations back. Eight is now um simply

01:54:27.040 --> 01:54:28.856
notes that Chocolard and Chakoval

01:54:28.880 --> 01:54:31.416
Chicken um have the obligation to apply

01:54:31.440 --> 01:54:34.440
to GTP and nine is clear that all

01:54:34.560 --> 01:54:37.560
proprietors be the statutory um costs

01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:40.920
associated with um any application. So

01:54:42.159 --> 01:54:43.575
um

01:54:43.599 --> 01:54:45.496
thank you. Are there any questions in

01:54:45.520 --> 01:54:46.856
relation to the changes?

01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:49.256
Consequential amendments to paragraph

01:54:49.280 --> 01:54:50.615
numbers, but we'll just have to double

01:54:50.639 --> 01:54:51.896
check that when we've got time.

01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:54.695
Yep, we understand. Any questions in

01:54:54.719 --> 01:54:56.695
relation to the changes from counselors?

01:54:56.719 --> 01:54:59.416
No. Okay.

01:54:59.440 --> 01:55:01.095
So, the mover and the secondary are

01:55:01.119 --> 01:55:03.256
happy with the changes as well. Thank

01:55:03.280 --> 01:55:06.280
you. They both file. Would any other

01:55:06.480 --> 01:55:08.376
counselor who has not already spoken to

01:55:08.400 --> 01:55:09.816
this alternate like to speak to the

01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:12.056
alternate? Thank you, councelor Baker.

01:55:12.080 --> 01:55:13.736
Thank you. And thank you for making

01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:15.496
those amendments.

01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:17.575
um as I would not have supported this

01:55:17.599 --> 01:55:19.416
alternate with the exclusion of Patty's

01:55:19.440 --> 01:55:22.215
Tavern um as noted and I look I'm not

01:55:22.239 --> 01:55:23.416
going to rehash what I've gone through

01:55:23.440 --> 01:55:25.416
the previous one um but I was of the

01:55:25.440 --> 01:55:26.776
belief that either they were all

01:55:26.800 --> 01:55:28.296
included in this or they were all

01:55:28.320 --> 01:55:31.016
removed and not so I feel it's only fair

01:55:31.040 --> 01:55:33.095
and equitable to Patties to be included

01:55:33.119 --> 01:55:34.695
along with the rest of the businesses.

01:55:34.719 --> 01:55:36.856
So I'm thankful that that has come out

01:55:36.880 --> 01:55:38.456
because I can tell you now I would not

01:55:38.480 --> 01:55:41.480
have supported it with that. So um I'm

01:55:41.679 --> 01:55:43.655
comfortable with this um the current

01:55:43.679 --> 01:55:46.679
version where I was not before. So um it

01:55:47.360 --> 01:55:49.175
has to be fair and equitable. I'm a firm

01:55:49.199 --> 01:55:50.936
believer for all businesses that this

01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:52.776
had to be equal for all of them. So

01:55:52.800 --> 01:55:54.695
that's I'm comfortable with this now.

01:55:54.719 --> 01:55:55.575
Thank you.

01:55:55.599 --> 01:55:57.896
Thank you councelor Baker. Would any

01:55:57.920 --> 01:55:59.496
other counselor like to speak to the

01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:02.520
motion?

01:56:04.639 --> 01:56:07.639
No. No. All I would say is um thank you

01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:10.215
for making the changes. Fundamentally

01:56:10.239 --> 01:56:12.376
that that was my only concern about this

01:56:12.400 --> 01:56:15.336
one as well. So I I do really appreciate

01:56:15.360 --> 01:56:16.856
that those changes have been considered

01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:19.880
and taken on board. So um it's great.

01:56:20.159 --> 01:56:23.159
Anyway, um I can now put the motion.

01:56:23.520 --> 01:56:25.896
I'm sorry. Of course.

01:56:25.920 --> 01:56:27.496
Would you like to exercise your right of

01:56:27.520 --> 01:56:28.776
reply, counselor?

01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:31.800
I would. Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um

01:56:32.400 --> 01:56:34.215
look, this does represent a huge

01:56:34.239 --> 01:56:36.376
community benefit of course. Um, and

01:56:36.400 --> 01:56:38.695
that's, you know, what we're all here

01:56:38.719 --> 01:56:41.175
for is the community benefit. Um, I know

01:56:41.199 --> 01:56:42.776
we've referred to businesses in this,

01:56:42.800 --> 01:56:44.695
 quite a bit, but I think we've

01:56:44.719 --> 01:56:46.135
neglected to remember that the community

01:56:46.159 --> 01:56:49.159
benefit and some 950 plus combined 

01:56:50.480 --> 01:56:52.376
between councelor Baker and myself 

01:56:52.400 --> 01:56:55.175
signatures  for overwhelming support

01:56:55.199 --> 01:56:57.175
for these. So, I think we've just got to

01:56:57.199 --> 01:56:58.936
just top of mind. It's community

01:56:58.960 --> 01:57:00.695
benefit, not a not a commercial benefit

01:57:00.719 --> 01:57:03.095
in that regards. you know, we've got Ray

01:57:03.119 --> 01:57:06.119
from um the Rotary um  club here and

01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:09.016
the street library and the benefits that

01:57:09.040 --> 01:57:11.575
um  they receive through having that

01:57:11.599 --> 01:57:13.575
there. I think the outdoor dining policy

01:57:13.599 --> 01:57:15.416
is is definitely essential. I think it's

01:57:15.440 --> 01:57:17.336
it's extremely essential that and and

01:57:17.360 --> 01:57:19.416
will be very beneficial to the wider

01:57:19.440 --> 01:57:21.336
KKnox community and looking forward to

01:57:21.360 --> 01:57:22.615
seeing what that report looks like in

01:57:22.639 --> 01:57:25.095
April for us to all table here and see

01:57:25.119 --> 01:57:27.416
what that looks like. um will provide us

01:57:27.440 --> 01:57:29.095
with a much stronger direction so that

01:57:29.119 --> 01:57:30.376
hopefully we're not in this spot where

01:57:30.400 --> 01:57:32.776
we're um having to discuss stuff like

01:57:32.800 --> 01:57:34.056
this. We know what the policy looks like

01:57:34.080 --> 01:57:35.416
and we know where we're heading. But

01:57:35.440 --> 01:57:37.175
also for small businesses in our area,

01:57:37.199 --> 01:57:39.496
we're providing a an avenue of support

01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:41.496
to show them what they can and can't do

01:57:41.520 --> 01:57:43.816
within our um designated outdoor dining

01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:45.976
areas. Um would like to again um

01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:48.056
reiterate that um you know from Jackson

01:57:48.080 --> 01:57:50.695
Taylor this morning um that  he was

01:57:50.719 --> 01:57:52.215
happy through the minister's office to

01:57:52.239 --> 01:57:54.856
assist with DTP and that option is open

01:57:54.880 --> 01:57:57.816
to um Shakalad um and or anyone else

01:57:57.840 --> 01:57:59.095
that needs it but at this stage it's

01:57:59.119 --> 01:58:01.256
just shalad that needs it for um their

01:58:01.280 --> 01:58:04.280
particular um parklet um and I guess

01:58:04.880 --> 01:58:07.256
overall

01:58:07.280 --> 01:58:09.256
cooperation between counselors is very

01:58:09.280 --> 01:58:11.496
important and

01:58:11.520 --> 01:58:12.695
having that up front would have been

01:58:12.719 --> 01:58:14.135
very beneficial to just get one

01:58:14.159 --> 01:58:15.896
alternative just we could have got this

01:58:15.920 --> 01:58:17.976
done so much quicker. So very mindful

01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:20.456
that um you know the doors always open I

01:58:20.480 --> 01:58:23.480
know from my side and um  I was very

01:58:24.080 --> 01:58:25.496
cooperative with all my fellow

01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:28.215
colleagues on this one and um I just

01:58:28.239 --> 01:58:29.256
think we could have done this a lot

01:58:29.280 --> 01:58:30.376
quicker if we had have perhaps

01:58:30.400 --> 01:58:33.400
cooperated a bit sooner but I'm glad

01:58:33.920 --> 01:58:35.816
um councelor Baker has called a point of

01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:37.416
order.

01:58:37.440 --> 01:58:40.440
Um can you just pop Yeah. do you want to

01:58:40.880 --> 01:58:42.536
grab your book?

01:58:42.560 --> 01:58:44.376
Thank you. I just wanted to call a point

01:58:44.400 --> 01:58:47.400
of order um just on the comments um that

01:58:47.599 --> 01:58:50.599
were made just that were improper um for

01:58:51.040 --> 01:58:53.336
clarity. I have sought communications

01:58:53.360 --> 01:58:55.816
with councelor Williams the past week to

01:58:55.840 --> 01:58:58.456
try and work with him to have a combined

01:58:58.480 --> 01:59:00.215
alternate. So I just wanted to see

01:59:00.239 --> 01:59:02.695
clarity on that. Thank you.

01:59:02.719 --> 01:59:04.135
Thank you. I think that's more of a

01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:07.095
transparency statement. Um so I might

01:59:07.119 --> 01:59:09.496
just move on but um thank you for for

01:59:09.520 --> 01:59:10.936
that statement if you're comfortable

01:59:10.960 --> 01:59:13.960
with that.  councelor Baker. Yep.

01:59:14.560 --> 01:59:17.560
Okay. Thank you. Um,

01:59:17.599 --> 01:59:19.736
you've got six seconds left. Would you

01:59:19.760 --> 01:59:21.575
like to exercise your right of reply?

01:59:21.599 --> 01:59:24.135
No. Okay. I'll now put the motion. All

01:59:24.159 --> 01:59:26.695
those in favor?

01:59:26.719 --> 01:59:28.936
The motion is carried unanimously. Thank

01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:30.536
you.

01:59:30.560 --> 01:59:32.376
Councilors, we've been going for quite a

01:59:32.400 --> 01:59:35.336
long time. It's 5 9. I do think we need

01:59:35.360 --> 01:59:38.056
to call for a break. Moved by councelor

01:59:38.080 --> 01:59:40.936
Pier, seconded by councelor Duncan for

01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:43.960
10 minutes please till 9:15. All

01:59:44.000 --> 01:59:47.000
supported um by councilors unanimously.

01:59:47.119 --> 01:59:49.816
Thank you.

01:59:49.840 --> 01:59:52.840
Okay so welcome back everyone.

01:59:53.360 --> 01:59:56.360
We are now on to item 8.1

01:59:56.719 --> 01:59:59.719
planning delegations review. Would a

01:59:59.760 --> 02:00:02.760
counselor like to move a motion?

02:00:03.679 --> 02:00:06.135
Thank you councelor Baker. Do we have a

02:00:06.159 --> 02:00:07.416
sec? As that's the office's

02:00:07.440 --> 02:00:09.256
recommendation. Yep. Do we have a Thank

02:00:09.280 --> 02:00:11.816
you, Councelor Duncan. Councelor Baker,

02:00:11.840 --> 02:00:13.575
would you like to speak to the motion

02:00:13.599 --> 02:00:15.416
just briefly? Think  three me I'm just

02:00:15.440 --> 02:00:18.440
going to find my notes. 

02:00:24.080 --> 02:00:27.080
 this is a a fairly standard  

02:00:27.679 --> 02:00:30.679
delegation review. They come to us um

02:00:30.880 --> 02:00:33.416
every so often. Um this one's fairly

02:00:33.440 --> 02:00:35.016
straightforward.

02:00:35.040 --> 02:00:38.040
um just with some minor amendments um

02:00:38.239 --> 02:00:41.239
and changes to  officer titles and

02:00:42.080 --> 02:00:45.080
minor updates. Um and I I would like to

02:00:45.840 --> 02:00:48.135
to point out as well in this report for

02:00:48.159 --> 02:00:50.776
viewers um it does comment on recent

02:00:50.800 --> 02:00:53.800
planning reforms um that may be of

02:00:54.159 --> 02:00:55.816
interest to the community. So I do

02:00:55.840 --> 02:00:57.175
encourage people to have a look at that

02:00:57.199 --> 02:01:00.199
report. Um but there's also officers are

02:01:00.800 --> 02:01:03.095
recommending that there is no change to

02:01:03.119 --> 02:01:06.119
council's ability to call up um items.

02:01:06.639 --> 02:01:09.639
Um and also the  approval um

02:01:10.159 --> 02:01:12.376
applications for Danny Nong Foothills

02:01:12.400 --> 02:01:15.400
area of 15 or more separate properties

02:01:15.520 --> 02:01:17.736
or 10 or more for other areas. Sorry, 10

02:01:17.760 --> 02:01:20.135
or more for Danny Nong Foothills and 15

02:01:20.159 --> 02:01:22.936
not in areas of foothills. So um then

02:01:22.960 --> 02:01:24.856
they're not suggesting any changes to

02:01:24.880 --> 02:01:27.880
those triggers. Um, so they're just very

02:01:28.080 --> 02:01:30.456
minor changes to this and I'm supportive

02:01:30.480 --> 02:01:32.536
of the off office's recommendation.

02:01:32.560 --> 02:01:33.095
Thank you.

02:01:33.119 --> 02:01:34.856
Thank you, councelor Baker. Councelor

02:01:34.880 --> 02:01:35.976
Duncan.

02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:37.736
 yes. Thank you, Madam May. Um, I

02:01:37.760 --> 02:01:39.256
just want to highlight for councilors

02:01:39.280 --> 02:01:40.856
the the part of this policy that

02:01:40.880 --> 02:01:42.856
interests me the most is on page 15 and

02:01:42.880 --> 02:01:44.536
16 where it talks about the instruments

02:01:44.560 --> 02:01:46.456
of delegation for mediation at VCAT

02:01:46.480 --> 02:01:49.336
appeals. Um, as you're aware, recently

02:01:49.360 --> 02:01:52.360
the 2761 Turner Road was subject to a

02:01:52.480 --> 02:01:54.215
VCAT appeal and then had to come back to

02:01:54.239 --> 02:01:56.215
a subsequent decision of council to

02:01:56.239 --> 02:01:58.536
actually approve what was essentially

02:01:58.560 --> 02:02:01.336
agreed at that mediation process. Um,

02:02:01.360 --> 02:02:03.256
because our delegation didn't give the

02:02:03.280 --> 02:02:05.095
powers to the officer that was there to

02:02:05.119 --> 02:02:07.736
actually negotiate for the outcome on

02:02:07.760 --> 02:02:09.736
our behalf. So I think this tidies that

02:02:09.760 --> 02:02:11.496
up a bit and as councelor Baker said the

02:02:11.520 --> 02:02:12.856
rest of it is some administrative

02:02:12.880 --> 02:02:15.880
changes  and and some u points that

02:02:16.639 --> 02:02:18.296
required additional clarity because of

02:02:18.320 --> 02:02:20.456
the changing to the legislation etc. But

02:02:20.480 --> 02:02:22.056
just wanted to highlight the part about

02:02:22.080 --> 02:02:24.135
the VCAT mediation process. So I think

02:02:24.159 --> 02:02:26.936
this will make it a lot smoother um and

02:02:26.960 --> 02:02:28.615
and a lot easier to actually get the

02:02:28.639 --> 02:02:31.175
outcome in in a quicker format. So very

02:02:31.199 --> 02:02:32.776
very supportive of this one. Thank you.

02:02:32.800 --> 02:02:34.615
Good good point. I actually questioned

02:02:34.639 --> 02:02:37.639
that this morning with with our CEO. Um,

02:02:37.840 --> 02:02:40.056
so thank you for highlighting that.

02:02:40.080 --> 02:02:41.976
Would any other counselor like to speak

02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:45.000
to the motion?

02:02:45.920 --> 02:02:48.456
No, I can put the motion. All those in

02:02:48.480 --> 02:02:51.480
up favor. Motion is carried. Thank you.

02:02:53.360 --> 02:02:56.360
We now move on to item two, review of

02:02:56.639 --> 02:02:58.615
planning consultative committee terms of

02:02:58.639 --> 02:03:01.639
reference. I actually have an alternate

02:03:02.159 --> 02:03:05.159
um to table this evening.  we're going

02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:08.199
to pop that up on the screen.

02:03:10.719 --> 02:03:13.095
And councelor Baker is happy to second

02:03:13.119 --> 02:03:15.736
that alternate.

02:03:15.760 --> 02:03:18.456
So the alternate states that council

02:03:18.480 --> 02:03:21.480
resolve to one continue holding planning

02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:24.056
consultative committee meetings as part

02:03:24.080 --> 02:03:26.856
of the planning application assessment

02:03:26.880 --> 02:03:29.880
process and two receive a report to a

02:03:30.239 --> 02:03:33.016
future council meeting to be determined

02:03:33.040 --> 02:03:35.655
in consultation with the Mayor to review

02:03:35.679 --> 02:03:37.416
the planning consultative committee

02:03:37.440 --> 02:03:40.215
terms of reference. Um so that's been

02:03:40.239 --> 02:03:43.239
seconded by councelor Baker. The reason

02:03:43.679 --> 02:03:46.135
um I'm putting this up

02:03:46.159 --> 02:03:48.936
is not because I disagree with um some

02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:50.296
of the statistics that are in the

02:03:50.320 --> 02:03:52.536
report. I mean

02:03:52.560 --> 02:03:54.615
the the stats are exactly what the stats

02:03:54.639 --> 02:03:57.639
say. Um but I I genuinely still feel

02:03:58.639 --> 02:04:00.776
that there is a need and a place for

02:04:00.800 --> 02:04:03.800
this within um the the council and

02:04:05.199 --> 02:04:07.336
within our community. I think our

02:04:07.360 --> 02:04:10.360
community um hold a lot of like they

02:04:10.960 --> 02:04:12.936
they have a lot of value attached to

02:04:12.960 --> 02:04:15.336
this particular process and from what

02:04:15.360 --> 02:04:17.496
I've seen and I've only been to like

02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:19.175
less than a handful over the years that

02:04:19.199 --> 02:04:21.416
I've been a counselor but from what I've

02:04:21.440 --> 02:04:24.440
seen is that um community members really

02:04:25.679 --> 02:04:28.679
engage and they also really you know

02:04:28.719 --> 02:04:30.536
value the feedback that they receive in

02:04:30.560 --> 02:04:32.456
the sessions. I think it's a great

02:04:32.480 --> 02:04:35.480
opportunity for council to also outline

02:04:36.320 --> 02:04:39.256
and explain  what's within council's

02:04:39.280 --> 02:04:41.175
remitt and what's not within council's

02:04:41.199 --> 02:04:44.056
remmit and um what can be achieved and

02:04:44.080 --> 02:04:46.296
what cannot be achieved and especially

02:04:46.320 --> 02:04:49.320
as we move forward into um all these new

02:04:50.880 --> 02:04:53.880
planning reforms and changes that are

02:04:53.920 --> 02:04:56.856
being made. I really I strongly feel the

02:04:56.880 --> 02:04:58.615
community are not going to understand

02:04:58.639 --> 02:05:01.175
them. I feel that council are going to

02:05:01.199 --> 02:05:04.199
cop a lot of um like you know flak

02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:07.736
basically from the community in relation

02:05:07.760 --> 02:05:10.760
to it and um this is a process that we

02:05:11.440 --> 02:05:14.056
can um have better communication I think

02:05:14.080 --> 02:05:16.536
with our residents. So it's all about

02:05:16.560 --> 02:05:18.856
for me bringing residents along the

02:05:18.880 --> 02:05:21.416
process letting them understand what can

02:05:21.440 --> 02:05:23.655
and can't be achieved and then working

02:05:23.679 --> 02:05:25.816
forward from there and and I see a lot

02:05:25.840 --> 02:05:28.840
of value in doing that. So, um I know

02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:32.119
that in this new council term we've had

02:05:32.159 --> 02:05:34.695
one I think so far and that was the one

02:05:34.719 --> 02:05:36.296
that you mentioned before councelor

02:05:36.320 --> 02:05:39.320
Duncan  I chaired that and I um I felt

02:05:39.599 --> 02:05:41.175
that that was a really good and

02:05:41.199 --> 02:05:44.135
productive session and in the past that

02:05:44.159 --> 02:05:47.159
I you know I've I've been a counselor

02:05:47.599 --> 02:05:48.856
 and I've seen really really

02:05:48.880 --> 02:05:51.416
productive outcomes as a result of PCC

02:05:51.440 --> 02:05:53.655
meetings as a ward counselor as well.

02:05:53.679 --> 02:05:55.655
Um, obviously not everyone gets what

02:05:55.679 --> 02:05:57.575
they want, but it can bring two parties

02:05:57.599 --> 02:05:59.336
a little closer together in

02:05:59.360 --> 02:06:02.215
understanding. And I absolutely can say

02:06:02.239 --> 02:06:05.016
that I have seen developers genuinely

02:06:05.040 --> 02:06:07.496
listen to the community and their

02:06:07.520 --> 02:06:10.520
concerns in relation um to to the um

02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:14.056
objections that they bring to the table.

02:06:14.080 --> 02:06:17.080
Um so for me, I think um we should

02:06:17.280 --> 02:06:19.655
continue to do them. It's a bit early I

02:06:19.679 --> 02:06:22.679
think in this term of council to to step

02:06:22.719 --> 02:06:25.256
out. I am open to hearing from my

02:06:25.280 --> 02:06:28.135
colleagues though because um obviously

02:06:28.159 --> 02:06:30.135
it's important that we all agree in in

02:06:30.159 --> 02:06:33.159
in relation to this. So um councelor

02:06:33.360 --> 02:06:35.416
Baker, would you like to speak to the

02:06:35.440 --> 02:06:37.336
item? Thank you, Mayor Coopin. I think

02:06:37.360 --> 02:06:40.360
you've articulated that well. Um I

02:06:40.639 --> 02:06:42.936
agree. I believe there are merits in

02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:45.960
having the the PCC's for our community.

02:06:46.639 --> 02:06:48.215
um it does give our community an

02:06:48.239 --> 02:06:50.376
opportunity to be heard. The trigger is

02:06:50.400 --> 02:06:53.400
a minimum of 50 um respondents to this.

02:06:54.320 --> 02:06:56.296
So I just think given that the number of

02:06:56.320 --> 02:06:58.456
people take the time to share their

02:06:58.480 --> 02:07:01.095
views on applications and I think it

02:07:01.119 --> 02:07:04.119
would be very detrimental um to our role

02:07:04.239 --> 02:07:07.239
if we do not um support having these to

02:07:07.360 --> 02:07:10.360
continue on. Um it is as you said you

02:07:10.639 --> 02:07:12.296
know not everyone necessarily is going

02:07:12.320 --> 02:07:14.776
to be happy with the the end result but

02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:16.695
it it provides an opportunity for our

02:07:16.719 --> 02:07:19.095
community to attend share their views

02:07:19.119 --> 02:07:22.119
ask questions um and understand what's

02:07:22.880 --> 02:07:24.856
you know what the the application is

02:07:24.880 --> 02:07:27.880
about. So um I'm fully supportive of

02:07:29.119 --> 02:07:32.119
this alternate um and listening to our

02:07:32.480 --> 02:07:34.456
community. So I think that's a real

02:07:34.480 --> 02:07:36.936
important part and also providing 

02:07:36.960 --> 02:07:39.016
those  obviously officers are there

02:07:39.040 --> 02:07:42.040
but also the um the application the

02:07:42.400 --> 02:07:44.376
applicant also is in attendance too and

02:07:44.400 --> 02:07:47.336
can hear those views as well. So um I'm

02:07:47.360 --> 02:07:49.416
very supportive to continue on these for

02:07:49.440 --> 02:07:50.615
our community.

02:07:50.639 --> 02:07:52.376
Thank you councelor Baker. Councelor

02:07:52.400 --> 02:07:55.175
Pearce.

02:07:55.199 --> 02:07:57.256
Thank you madame Mayor. When I was

02:07:57.280 --> 02:08:00.280
looking over this policy, I thought I

02:08:00.400 --> 02:08:02.536
was of two minds.

02:08:02.560 --> 02:08:04.776
Our community wants us to consult. We've

02:08:04.800 --> 02:08:07.496
got changes in the building act, changes

02:08:07.520 --> 02:08:09.336
in planning,

02:08:09.360 --> 02:08:11.016
changes in all variety of different

02:08:11.040 --> 02:08:13.336
things that most common people do not

02:08:13.360 --> 02:08:16.360
know about, our residents.

02:08:16.800 --> 02:08:19.336
Being able to bring two parties together

02:08:19.360 --> 02:08:22.360
and to discuss planning issues is

02:08:22.400 --> 02:08:25.336
vitally important especially now when we

02:08:25.360 --> 02:08:28.360
don't have third party objections.

02:08:28.639 --> 02:08:30.856
I think this is a great idea to continue

02:08:30.880 --> 02:08:33.880
this at least for a short period of time

02:08:34.400 --> 02:08:36.936
to just see what's actually happening

02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:38.776
out there and I was actually in mind of

02:08:38.800 --> 02:08:40.376
putting this amendment up. So thank you

02:08:40.400 --> 02:08:42.936
madame Mayor for putting it up. That's

02:08:42.960 --> 02:08:44.776
it. Thank you, Councelor Pearce.

02:08:44.800 --> 02:08:46.536
Councelor Lockwood.

02:08:46.560 --> 02:08:48.055
 thank you. Well, I'll speak against

02:08:48.079 --> 02:08:50.456
this. Um, so I don't I don't see the

02:08:50.480 --> 02:08:52.135
point.  we shouldn't be making

02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:55.095
ourselves the target by having a PCC.

02:08:55.119 --> 02:08:58.119
It's not really our doing this process.

02:08:59.119 --> 02:09:00.776
The state government's made a series of

02:09:00.800 --> 02:09:03.800
changes to speed up the process um

02:09:05.440 --> 02:09:08.440
with the  deem to comply um these

02:09:08.719 --> 02:09:10.695
other changes be for the new townhouse

02:09:10.719 --> 02:09:13.336
and low-rise code. um changing the local

02:09:13.360 --> 02:09:15.175
policy framework, polish planning

02:09:15.199 --> 02:09:17.496
frameworks, giving us a target, plan for

02:09:17.520 --> 02:09:20.520
Victoria. These are all designed um to

02:09:20.560 --> 02:09:22.055
travel through like a freight train

02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:24.135
really. Um and we're standing in front

02:09:24.159 --> 02:09:26.135
of the freight train. Um we're better

02:09:26.159 --> 02:09:28.055
off getting out of the way, let the

02:09:28.079 --> 02:09:29.496
state government take the flack for all

02:09:29.520 --> 02:09:32.296
its changes as I hope it will. Um

02:09:32.320 --> 02:09:34.135
they've made a whole heap of changes and

02:09:34.159 --> 02:09:35.416
they're copying a fair bit at the

02:09:35.440 --> 02:09:37.655
moment. If we put our hands up and say

02:09:37.679 --> 02:09:39.655
we can do something here when we know we

02:09:39.679 --> 02:09:42.679
can't because look I've been this has

02:09:43.679 --> 02:09:45.256
been around for a while. I've been to a

02:09:45.280 --> 02:09:48.055
number of these things and generally

02:09:48.079 --> 02:09:49.896
they didn't come to any outcome. I'm I'm

02:09:49.920 --> 02:09:51.256
surprised you had one that had an

02:09:51.280 --> 02:09:53.016
outcome. Developers come they're

02:09:53.040 --> 02:09:54.936
sympathetic. Yeah. We'll change the

02:09:54.960 --> 02:09:57.960
color of one of the walls and that's it.

02:09:58.000 --> 02:09:59.976
Nothing. They can't substant they won't

02:10:00.000 --> 02:10:01.496
reduce the number of dwellings. They

02:10:01.520 --> 02:10:03.976
won't make substantive changes to make

02:10:04.000 --> 02:10:06.296
the make the objectors happy. They

02:10:06.320 --> 02:10:08.456
they'll go and build pretty close to

02:10:08.480 --> 02:10:10.695
what they first said anyway. And now the

02:10:10.719 --> 02:10:12.695
rules have changed so that they can they

02:10:12.719 --> 02:10:14.215
don't don't even have to come along and

02:10:14.239 --> 02:10:17.175
talk to us. Um people might object. I

02:10:17.199 --> 02:10:19.336
mean there's there's no objection  in

02:10:19.360 --> 02:10:21.175
a lot of it now. Um they don't get

02:10:21.199 --> 02:10:23.256
people don't get get a say. It just goes

02:10:23.280 --> 02:10:25.655
straight through. So, I think we should

02:10:25.679 --> 02:10:28.296
just clear the way um make our

02:10:28.320 --> 02:10:30.055
contribution to a speedy process and

02:10:30.079 --> 02:10:31.496
make sure that we're not the ones who

02:10:31.520 --> 02:10:34.520
are blamed for the poor outcomes.

02:10:34.719 --> 02:10:37.575
Thank you, Councelor Lockwood.

02:10:37.599 --> 02:10:39.256
Would any other counselor like to speak

02:10:39.280 --> 02:10:42.055
to the motion?

02:10:42.079 --> 02:10:44.296
Yes, councelor Duncan has a question.

02:10:44.320 --> 02:10:47.095
Um just with respect to it's the second

02:10:47.119 --> 02:10:50.119
last dot point on page 161. I'm not sure

02:10:50.719 --> 02:10:52.615
who the question should go to, but it

02:10:52.639 --> 02:10:55.496
says that it should be noted that PCC

02:10:55.520 --> 02:10:58.520
meetings um often a add significant

02:11:00.639 --> 02:11:02.376
delay, which means that we may not

02:11:02.400 --> 02:11:03.976
assess an application within the

02:11:04.000 --> 02:11:05.655
statutory time frames. Therefore,

02:11:05.679 --> 02:11:08.296
there's some penalties to council 

02:11:08.320 --> 02:11:11.256
etc. and suggests that the the PCC

02:11:11.280 --> 02:11:14.280
doesn't have a great value. Um

02:11:15.520 --> 02:11:17.976
my question is is what is the penalty to

02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:21.000
us for not applying or determining an

02:11:22.239 --> 02:11:23.976
outcome on a planning application within

02:11:24.000 --> 02:11:26.296
that statutory time frame?

02:11:26.320 --> 02:11:28.215
I'll refer that question to our acting

02:11:28.239 --> 02:11:30.936
director Jonathan McMi. Thank you.

02:11:30.960 --> 02:11:33.095
 thank you through you madame Mayor.

02:11:33.119 --> 02:11:36.119
Um so the impact so within the  the

02:11:36.719 --> 02:11:38.296
planning and environment act we have

02:11:38.320 --> 02:11:39.736
time frames in which we should be

02:11:39.760 --> 02:11:42.055
determining planning applications. Um

02:11:42.079 --> 02:11:44.776
and that that  those time frames are

02:11:44.800 --> 02:11:47.655
reported through the state government.

02:11:47.679 --> 02:11:50.679
Um so  where we can't meet our

02:11:50.960 --> 02:11:53.336
statutory time frames that forms part of

02:11:53.360 --> 02:11:56.360
our  what's the  the LGPRF

02:11:58.800 --> 02:12:01.800
reporting. Um so it reflects poorly I

02:12:01.920 --> 02:12:03.896
guess on our on our ability as an

02:12:03.920 --> 02:12:05.736
organization to be able to determine

02:12:05.760 --> 02:12:07.816
applications in a timely manner

02:12:07.840 --> 02:12:10.840
predominantly. Yeah. Okay.

02:12:11.280 --> 02:12:12.615
follow-up question. Sure.

02:12:12.639 --> 02:12:14.296
Yeah. Um, with respect to that,

02:12:14.320 --> 02:12:17.175
Jonathan, um, if if we fail to determine

02:12:17.199 --> 02:12:19.575
within a period that also allows the

02:12:19.599 --> 02:12:21.976
developer to go directly to VCAT, um,

02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:23.736
because we haven't made that decision in

02:12:23.760 --> 02:12:25.976
the timely frame. Is that correct?

02:12:26.000 --> 02:12:29.000
Yes, that's also correct. Apologies.

02:12:29.119 --> 02:12:31.575
Thank you.

02:12:31.599 --> 02:12:33.336
Would any other counselor like to speak

02:12:33.360 --> 02:12:36.360
to the motion?

02:12:36.560 --> 02:12:38.456
Yes, you can. Councelor Duncan.

02:12:38.480 --> 02:12:41.480
Um I do like your idea  Mayor about

02:12:43.199 --> 02:12:45.736
the consultative process. Um although

02:12:45.760 --> 02:12:47.736
having having gone through this without

02:12:47.760 --> 02:12:50.296
actually attending the PCC, it was was

02:12:50.320 --> 02:12:52.296
determined that one undertook in one of

02:12:52.320 --> 02:12:55.095
the matters in in my ward. Um the

02:12:55.119 --> 02:12:56.695
feedback that I got from the residents

02:12:56.719 --> 02:12:57.976
was that they didn't really get the

02:12:58.000 --> 02:13:00.135
outcomes that they were after. What I'm

02:13:00.159 --> 02:13:02.215
concerned with here is is twofold. It

02:13:02.239 --> 02:13:04.695
adds an additional delay to the the

02:13:04.719 --> 02:13:07.095
application process which potentially

02:13:07.119 --> 02:13:08.936
opens us up for it going immediately to

02:13:08.960 --> 02:13:10.856
VCAT because we failed to determine an

02:13:10.880 --> 02:13:13.256
outcome um which would cost us more

02:13:13.280 --> 02:13:16.055
money in in the long term. Um and a lot

02:13:16.079 --> 02:13:18.936
of the new um design rules etc. As

02:13:18.960 --> 02:13:21.496
councelor Lockwood alluded to there is

02:13:21.520 --> 02:13:23.655
very little that can be objected to. So

02:13:23.679 --> 02:13:26.679
having 50 objectors to an application

02:13:27.040 --> 02:13:29.256
would automatically trigger a PCC per

02:13:29.280 --> 02:13:31.416
our rules. But there's nothing in there

02:13:31.440 --> 02:13:33.816
that says those 50 objectors have to be

02:13:33.840 --> 02:13:36.840
on proper grounds that could be held up

02:13:37.360 --> 02:13:39.736
as an objection. So I'm worried people

02:13:39.760 --> 02:13:41.336
are put in objections that they just

02:13:41.360 --> 02:13:43.016
don't like it, etc. You get 50

02:13:43.040 --> 02:13:44.536
signatures for that and we waste our

02:13:44.560 --> 02:13:47.016
time going through a PCC meeting to

02:13:47.040 --> 02:13:49.016
argue a fact that's a moot point because

02:13:49.040 --> 02:13:51.175
we have no determining

02:13:51.199 --> 02:13:54.199
um authority in that space. So I do like

02:13:54.560 --> 02:13:56.296
the idea of you know continuing our

02:13:56.320 --> 02:13:58.856
consultation etc. However, I think in in

02:13:58.880 --> 02:14:00.536
this case, we're putting in a

02:14:00.560 --> 02:14:03.336
significant additional burden on onto

02:14:03.360 --> 02:14:05.256
officers, costing us more money for

02:14:05.280 --> 02:14:06.536
something that's actually not going to

02:14:06.560 --> 02:14:07.976
make a huge amount of difference. So,

02:14:08.000 --> 02:14:11.000
I'm not supportive of your alternate and

02:14:11.040 --> 02:14:13.256
foreshadow that the original will be put

02:14:13.280 --> 02:14:15.256
forward if yours is lost, but appreciate

02:14:15.280 --> 02:14:16.536
where you're coming from.

02:14:16.560 --> 02:14:17.896
Thank you. Not a problem. Thank you,

02:14:17.920 --> 02:14:19.816
councelor Duncan. Would any other

02:14:19.840 --> 02:14:21.976
council Thank you, councelor.

02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:24.936
 thank you, Mayor. Um, I support 

02:14:24.960 --> 02:14:27.175
councelor Pearce's  comments.  from

02:14:27.199 --> 02:14:29.336
earlier. I think the

02:14:29.360 --> 02:14:31.175
a very important part of this and at the

02:14:31.199 --> 02:14:34.199
heart of this is um the importance um of

02:14:35.440 --> 02:14:37.496
these meetings in helping the community

02:14:37.520 --> 02:14:38.856
feel like their views have been heard

02:14:38.880 --> 02:14:41.016
and that's certainly  the feedback 

02:14:41.040 --> 02:14:43.575
I get in my ward that um people are

02:14:43.599 --> 02:14:46.599
often realistic about um whether these

02:14:46.719 --> 02:14:48.615
processes are successful in resolving

02:14:48.639 --> 02:14:50.536
complex issues or providing really

02:14:50.560 --> 02:14:53.175
substantial improvements but um to hear

02:14:53.199 --> 02:14:55.336
our community  to bring the community

02:14:55.360 --> 02:14:57.175
in. It's not a forum like these meetings

02:14:57.199 --> 02:14:58.615
where there are rules and checks and

02:14:58.639 --> 02:15:00.296
balances in terms of asking questions.

02:15:00.320 --> 02:15:02.456
It's a it's an engaged meeting where

02:15:02.480 --> 02:15:04.376
people join us around the table for a

02:15:04.400 --> 02:15:06.856
conversation about the most complex of

02:15:06.880 --> 02:15:08.776
of planning matters that we deal with.

02:15:08.800 --> 02:15:11.736
Um in my previous experience at another

02:15:11.760 --> 02:15:13.816
municipality um we had planning

02:15:13.840 --> 02:15:15.336
consultative meetings once a month.

02:15:15.360 --> 02:15:17.336
These were common place for me and were

02:15:17.360 --> 02:15:19.655
by far and away  the most productive

02:15:19.679 --> 02:15:22.055
meetings um for helping our community

02:15:22.079 --> 02:15:23.816
feel heard on issues that were

02:15:23.840 --> 02:15:25.896
exercising them. And that is putting to

02:15:25.920 --> 02:15:28.695
one side  whether or not they were 

02:15:28.719 --> 02:15:31.016
successful in resolving the issues. Um

02:15:31.040 --> 02:15:33.016
there might be um some goodwill around

02:15:33.040 --> 02:15:35.575
the edges more often than not, but um

02:15:35.599 --> 02:15:37.575
the the process and structure of having

02:15:37.599 --> 02:15:40.536
that meeting assisted with the um with

02:15:40.560 --> 02:15:42.536
the stomaching of the end result one way

02:15:42.560 --> 02:15:45.095
or the other. So um I think they're

02:15:45.119 --> 02:15:47.416
they're important. I recognize we

02:15:47.440 --> 02:15:49.175
balance that with the time and energy

02:15:49.199 --> 02:15:50.776
and and capacity within the city

02:15:50.800 --> 02:15:53.095
planning and building department. Um I

02:15:53.119 --> 02:15:54.456
think the previous item we just

02:15:54.480 --> 02:15:56.536
considered helped free up some other

02:15:56.560 --> 02:15:58.135
administration. So there are I think

02:15:58.159 --> 02:15:59.816
there are swings and roundabouts when

02:15:59.840 --> 02:16:02.055
the state government um is asking us or

02:16:02.079 --> 02:16:04.856
or setting a target for us to add 43

02:16:04.880 --> 02:16:07.880
43,000 new dwellings by 2051.  we

02:16:08.480 --> 02:16:10.055
can't completely jump out of the way and

02:16:10.079 --> 02:16:11.416
let that sail through. There's got to be

02:16:11.440 --> 02:16:13.256
some checks and balance.  these

02:16:13.280 --> 02:16:15.896
meetings are not all that often um in

02:16:15.920 --> 02:16:17.976
our community. Um so when there is an

02:16:18.000 --> 02:16:19.496
application with the complexity that

02:16:19.520 --> 02:16:21.416
would trigger the the requisite number

02:16:21.440 --> 02:16:23.816
of objections um I think it makes sense

02:16:23.840 --> 02:16:26.135
to maintain these for the moment. Um but

02:16:26.159 --> 02:16:27.496
let's keep a watching eye on that

02:16:27.520 --> 02:16:29.816
balance between administrative burden 

02:16:29.840 --> 02:16:31.736
and outcome but I side with listening to

02:16:31.760 --> 02:16:33.816
the community wherever we can.

02:16:33.840 --> 02:16:36.455
Thank you councelor. Would any other

02:16:36.479 --> 02:16:38.295
counselor like to speak to the motion?

02:16:38.319 --> 02:16:41.319
Thank you councelor Kennet.

02:16:41.679 --> 02:16:43.896
Thank you through you madame Mayor. Um,

02:16:43.920 --> 02:16:46.920
I want to thank you for for raising this

02:16:47.359 --> 02:16:50.359
alternate motion. I received um contact

02:16:50.960 --> 02:16:53.960
from a participant at the PCC meeting

02:16:54.000 --> 02:16:56.535
that that you chaired earlier this year

02:16:56.559 --> 02:16:59.559
for 276 one turn a road and um

02:17:01.359 --> 02:17:03.335
while

02:17:03.359 --> 02:17:06.216
it didn't receive or it didn't meet the

02:17:06.240 --> 02:17:09.240
intended purpose and that participants

02:17:10.000 --> 02:17:12.295
through that PCC process didn't feel

02:17:12.319 --> 02:17:14.535
that they get all the things that they

02:17:14.559 --> 02:17:17.559
wanted. It was part of being able to be

02:17:17.920 --> 02:17:20.136
heard that I think was the important

02:17:20.160 --> 02:17:23.160
aspect of that committee meeting but

02:17:23.359 --> 02:17:25.256
also for the developers to properly

02:17:25.280 --> 02:17:26.776
understand

02:17:26.800 --> 02:17:29.800
what the concerns were and um having

02:17:30.319 --> 02:17:33.096
that forum to provide that information I

02:17:33.120 --> 02:17:35.495
think is important. So for that reason

02:17:35.519 --> 02:17:36.936
and together with the information that

02:17:36.960 --> 02:17:39.575
I've received from um one of my

02:17:39.599 --> 02:17:42.599
residents I will be supporting this

02:17:42.800 --> 02:17:44.136
alternate motion tonight.

02:17:44.160 --> 02:17:46.936
Thank you. Would any other counselor

02:17:46.960 --> 02:17:49.960
like to speak to the motion?

02:17:52.000 --> 02:17:54.056
Yep. Councelor Duncan has a question.

02:17:54.080 --> 02:17:57.080
Um through you, Mayor. If if we remove

02:17:57.519 --> 02:18:00.216
the the terms of reference for a PCC, is

02:18:00.240 --> 02:18:01.896
there still the ability for the ward

02:18:01.920 --> 02:18:04.455
council at a call a PCC style meeting

02:18:04.479 --> 02:18:06.056
without having the triggers being

02:18:06.080 --> 02:18:09.080
exactly the 50 and the 100? So if if an

02:18:09.519 --> 02:18:10.856
application was to come up like the one

02:18:10.880 --> 02:18:13.415
that was at 276 with a number of

02:18:13.439 --> 02:18:16.216
objections, I would have if was would

02:18:16.240 --> 02:18:17.816
there be a mechanism for me as the ward

02:18:17.840 --> 02:18:20.535
counselor to request a meeting of this

02:18:20.559 --> 02:18:23.335
style if it was warranted as opposed to

02:18:23.359 --> 02:18:24.936
just having a very black and white we've

02:18:24.960 --> 02:18:26.455
got this many objections. We go straight

02:18:26.479 --> 02:18:28.695
to that meeting.

02:18:28.719 --> 02:18:31.719
Um can I refer that question? There's

02:18:31.920 --> 02:18:33.575
looking around. He's going to take that.

02:18:33.599 --> 02:18:36.599
Thank you.

02:18:36.800 --> 02:18:39.800
um through you, Madame Mayor. Um

02:18:41.200 --> 02:18:43.736
without a an established procedure in

02:18:43.760 --> 02:18:46.695
place, um it would be difficult to to

02:18:46.719 --> 02:18:49.719
organize a meeting of that nature, um

02:18:51.439 --> 02:18:54.136
if if a if an item if we don't have a

02:18:54.160 --> 02:18:56.295
procedure in place to that establishes

02:18:56.319 --> 02:18:58.535
the need for those meetings, then the

02:18:58.559 --> 02:19:00.375
imperative would be to try and determine

02:19:00.399 --> 02:19:02.056
the application within the statutory

02:19:02.080 --> 02:19:04.375
time frames primarily. Um the

02:19:04.399 --> 02:19:05.896
alternative would be that an item could

02:19:05.920 --> 02:19:07.655
be called up to council for

02:19:07.679 --> 02:19:09.176
consideration, but that's not

02:19:09.200 --> 02:19:11.176
necessarily a forum to engage directly

02:19:11.200 --> 02:19:14.200
with um objectors.

02:19:16.479 --> 02:19:18.856
Um I do just want to briefly add Oh, you

02:19:18.880 --> 02:19:21.880
want to add to that as well? Thank you.

02:19:22.160 --> 02:19:24.856
You mad man. Just to add to what um Mr.

02:19:24.880 --> 02:19:27.495
Mcall said and I agree with what he said

02:19:27.519 --> 02:19:30.519
as well. the the a counselor could meet

02:19:30.639 --> 02:19:32.455
with objectors or different parties at

02:19:32.479 --> 02:19:35.335
any time, but I suppose there's certain

02:19:35.359 --> 02:19:37.575
inherent risks in a situation like that

02:19:37.599 --> 02:19:39.575
without the benefits of a terms of

02:19:39.599 --> 02:19:41.976
reference and a clear way of working in

02:19:42.000 --> 02:19:43.976
that type of situation. Um, and

02:19:44.000 --> 02:19:45.655
particularly in these situations where a

02:19:45.679 --> 02:19:48.056
PCC is triggered where there's often

02:19:48.080 --> 02:19:50.776
over 50 objectives, those meetings can

02:19:50.800 --> 02:19:53.256
be very difficult to manage and all of

02:19:53.280 --> 02:19:54.856
the participants need a really clear

02:19:54.880 --> 02:19:56.936
frame of reference to work with. So,

02:19:56.960 --> 02:19:58.696
it's possible to do it without a terms

02:19:58.720 --> 02:19:59.896
of reference, but it would be

02:19:59.920 --> 02:20:01.976
inadvisable to do that.

02:20:02.000 --> 02:20:03.896
Thank you. I also just wanted to

02:20:03.920 --> 02:20:06.920
highlight that the alternate point to is

02:20:06.960 --> 02:20:09.415
to receive a report  to a future

02:20:09.439 --> 02:20:11.896
council meeting to discuss those terms

02:20:11.920 --> 02:20:14.216
of reference. This council at this point

02:20:14.240 --> 02:20:17.176
in time hasn't had an in-depth

02:20:17.200 --> 02:20:18.936
discussion about this. So, if there is

02:20:18.960 --> 02:20:20.856
something that you wanted to change or

02:20:20.880 --> 02:20:23.880
review, we could do that.

02:20:24.240 --> 02:20:25.576
Yeah.

02:20:25.600 --> 02:20:27.335
Okay. Would any other counselor like to

02:20:27.359 --> 02:20:30.216
speak to the motion?

02:20:30.240 --> 02:20:33.240
No. Um, okay. I will just um exercise my

02:20:33.840 --> 02:20:36.776
right of reply just briefly. Um, thank

02:20:36.800 --> 02:20:39.016
you councilors for all your comments.

02:20:39.040 --> 02:20:42.040
Um, I think as what was articulated is

02:20:43.439 --> 02:20:45.816
it it brings a human element into the

02:20:45.840 --> 02:20:48.056
room when we have these meetings.

02:20:48.080 --> 02:20:49.976
Instead of it just being numbers in a

02:20:50.000 --> 02:20:52.295
report, we're actually looking at people

02:20:52.319 --> 02:20:55.319
in a room. Um, and I do believe that it

02:20:56.240 --> 02:20:59.240
it um it does help our residents to feel

02:20:59.359 --> 02:21:02.359
heard. Um, we at a local government

02:21:03.520 --> 02:21:06.295
level are always going to take the hit.

02:21:06.319 --> 02:21:08.295
We're always blamed for changes in

02:21:08.319 --> 02:21:11.319
planning and it is an education

02:21:11.600 --> 02:21:14.600
um sort of we we need to continually

02:21:15.439 --> 02:21:17.256
sort of educate our community on these

02:21:17.280 --> 02:21:20.056
changes because like um council Pearce

02:21:20.080 --> 02:21:22.616
said most of them don't know the changes

02:21:22.640 --> 02:21:24.536
um that have come into place and this is

02:21:24.560 --> 02:21:27.560
an opportunity to to do that as well.

02:21:27.600 --> 02:21:30.600
Um, councelor Lockwood Bunnet Road is a

02:21:31.600 --> 02:21:33.976
good example. Um, during your term on

02:21:34.000 --> 02:21:36.375
council with me in the past where we had

02:21:36.399 --> 02:21:38.375
the developer actually reduced the

02:21:38.399 --> 02:21:40.696
yield, so the dwellings by I think it

02:21:40.720 --> 02:21:43.720
was three or four and he also um agreed

02:21:44.080 --> 02:21:46.216
to change the layout of the doublestory

02:21:46.240 --> 02:21:48.056
buildings and he changed where the bins

02:21:48.080 --> 02:21:50.056
would be collected as well. So there

02:21:50.080 --> 02:21:51.496
were some things that were really great

02:21:51.520 --> 02:21:54.375
outcomes just from that PCC in the past

02:21:54.399 --> 02:21:56.776
for a application that was in my ward.

02:21:56.800 --> 02:21:59.096
So, um, and that's one that I obviously

02:21:59.120 --> 02:22:01.736
refer to as being a successful outcome.

02:22:01.760 --> 02:22:03.415
Of course, they didn't stop the

02:22:03.439 --> 02:22:04.856
development and didn't get all the

02:22:04.880 --> 02:22:07.656
changes that they were hoping to to get.

02:22:07.680 --> 02:22:09.816
Um, there were some really productive

02:22:09.840 --> 02:22:11.496
changes that the community could live

02:22:11.520 --> 02:22:14.520
with. Um, so that being said, thank you

02:22:15.120 --> 02:22:16.936
um, councilors for all your thoughts and

02:22:16.960 --> 02:22:18.856
feedback and I'll now put the vote. All

02:22:18.880 --> 02:22:21.176
those in favor

02:22:21.200 --> 02:22:23.256
um, the motion is the motion's carried.

02:22:23.280 --> 02:22:26.280
Thank you.

02:22:27.920 --> 02:22:30.920
Okay. So, we'll now move on to item 8.3,

02:22:31.840 --> 02:22:34.536
appeals against VCAT decisions, proc

02:22:34.560 --> 02:22:37.016
procedure review. Would a counselor like

02:22:37.040 --> 02:22:40.040
to move a motion?

02:22:42.240 --> 02:22:45.016
Um, thank you, councelor Baker. Do we

02:22:45.040 --> 02:22:47.736
have moving the recommendation? Do we

02:22:47.760 --> 02:22:50.760
have a seconder?

02:22:53.200 --> 02:22:54.856
Sorry. Do we have a second for the

02:22:54.880 --> 02:22:57.880
motion? Thank you, Councelor Lockwood.

02:22:59.520 --> 02:23:01.256
Okay. Councelor Baker, would you like to

02:23:01.280 --> 02:23:03.656
speak to the motion?  just very

02:23:03.680 --> 02:23:06.680
briefly,  this report um is up for

02:23:07.040 --> 02:23:10.040
review. Um, and the officers are seeking

02:23:10.160 --> 02:23:12.295
for us to adopt the existing Knox

02:23:12.319 --> 02:23:15.319
procedure appeals of,  VCAT decision

02:23:15.600 --> 02:23:18.600
procedure review. Um, noting um, that

02:23:18.720 --> 02:23:21.720
there um, it has remained unchanged.

02:23:22.640 --> 02:23:25.640
um  for another 4year period I think

02:23:26.399 --> 02:23:28.616
running into that. So I'm supportive of

02:23:28.640 --> 02:23:30.455
the  offic's recommendation. Thank

02:23:30.479 --> 02:23:32.776
you. Thank you councelor Lockwood.

02:23:32.800 --> 02:23:35.096
Yes, I'm also supportive of that. It's

02:23:35.120 --> 02:23:36.375
common sense. Thank you.

02:23:36.399 --> 02:23:38.295
Thank you. Would any other counselor

02:23:38.319 --> 02:23:41.256
like to speak to the motion?

02:23:41.280 --> 02:23:42.936
Okay. There being no opposition, I can

02:23:42.960 --> 02:23:45.176
put the motion. All those in favor?

02:23:45.200 --> 02:23:48.200
Motion is carried. Moving on to item 8.4

02:23:48.640 --> 02:23:50.936
before council and notification process

02:23:50.960 --> 02:23:53.415
for planning applications. I've actually

02:23:53.439 --> 02:23:55.816
circulated a um alternate for this one

02:23:55.840 --> 02:23:58.840
as well.

02:24:00.240 --> 02:24:01.976
If we could get that one on the screen.

02:24:02.000 --> 02:24:03.816
Thank you.

02:24:03.840 --> 02:24:06.840
So the alternate reads that council

02:24:06.960 --> 02:24:09.656
resolve to continue the practice of

02:24:09.680 --> 02:24:11.415
notifying councilors of specific

02:24:11.439 --> 02:24:13.976
planning applications in accordance with

02:24:14.000 --> 02:24:15.816
a position adopted at the strategic

02:24:15.840 --> 02:24:17.656
planning committee meeting on the sec on

02:24:17.680 --> 02:24:20.680
the 12th of June 2018.

02:24:20.960 --> 02:24:23.176
Um do I have a seconder? Thank you

02:24:23.200 --> 02:24:25.496
councelor Pearce.

02:24:25.520 --> 02:24:27.335
Um,

02:24:27.359 --> 02:24:29.816
okay. So, I' I've put this forward

02:24:29.840 --> 02:24:31.496
counselors because I know that there are

02:24:31.520 --> 02:24:33.896
other ways that we can seek this

02:24:33.920 --> 02:24:36.920
information and um and and  and

02:24:38.880 --> 02:24:40.536
basically, you know, find this

02:24:40.560 --> 02:24:43.335
information. But um I also know that as

02:24:43.359 --> 02:24:46.359
a counselor our inbox can just be really

02:24:47.280 --> 02:24:49.976
full with other things and we all tend

02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:52.536
to work during the day and things can

02:24:52.560 --> 02:24:55.256
get um away from us pretty quickly. And

02:24:55.280 --> 02:24:57.576
I just feel like this is another sort of

02:24:57.600 --> 02:25:00.295
checkpoint that will be put in our line

02:25:00.319 --> 02:25:03.319
of sight um so that we can um give give

02:25:04.319 --> 02:25:07.319
consideration um to any planning ma

02:25:07.439 --> 02:25:10.439
matter that comes forward. Um, so that

02:25:10.960 --> 02:25:12.536
being said, um, there's nothing really

02:25:12.560 --> 02:25:14.936
more to it other than just wanting to

02:25:14.960 --> 02:25:17.960
maintain this process, um, as a bit of a

02:25:19.680 --> 02:25:22.056
backup process for counselors. Um,

02:25:22.080 --> 02:25:25.080
councelor Pearce, did you want

02:25:25.200 --> 02:25:27.016
No,

02:25:27.040 --> 02:25:28.295
just briefly, Madame May.

02:25:28.319 --> 02:25:28.696
Yeah.

02:25:28.720 --> 02:25:31.096
Yeah. I totally agree with you. Our

02:25:31.120 --> 02:25:33.335
inboxes are full. We're trying to trying

02:25:33.359 --> 02:25:36.359
to balance 50 different emails, checking

02:25:36.479 --> 02:25:38.696
planning, checking this. Having a phone

02:25:38.720 --> 02:25:41.720
call, which I can say from recent

02:25:41.920 --> 02:25:44.455
experience, is fantastic just to alert

02:25:44.479 --> 02:25:47.176
you to a specific planning matter is

02:25:47.200 --> 02:25:49.176
fantastic. It just brings your focus

02:25:49.200 --> 02:25:51.096
back to that matter.

02:25:51.120 --> 02:25:51.656
Yeah.

02:25:51.680 --> 02:25:54.136
And then you can explore it. So I think

02:25:54.160 --> 02:25:56.056
I think this is a great motion. I think

02:25:56.080 --> 02:25:57.976
we should continue this practice.

02:25:58.000 --> 02:25:59.896
Thank you, May. I do just want to um

02:25:59.920 --> 02:26:02.920
point out that the the sorry the policy

02:26:03.359 --> 02:26:06.136
itself sends us an email but in the past

02:26:06.160 --> 02:26:07.896
obviously you have also had a follow-up

02:26:07.920 --> 02:26:09.896
phone call and that does happen but

02:26:09.920 --> 02:26:12.136
that's not part of the actual policy

02:26:12.160 --> 02:26:15.160
position. Um but yes and often it's sent

02:26:15.439 --> 02:26:17.976
high importance as well which draws our

02:26:18.000 --> 02:26:20.295
attention as well. So that's great. Um

02:26:20.319 --> 02:26:22.136
would any other counselor like to speak?

02:26:22.160 --> 02:26:24.136
Thank you councelor Baker.

02:26:24.160 --> 02:26:25.496
Thank you and thank you for putting up

02:26:25.520 --> 02:26:28.455
the alternate. Um, in the past 5 years,

02:26:28.479 --> 02:26:30.776
I can honestly say I haven't had that

02:26:30.800 --> 02:26:33.256
many come through via the email, but I

02:26:33.280 --> 02:26:34.856
have appreciated the ones that have come

02:26:34.880 --> 02:26:36.455
through because it's made me be able to

02:26:36.479 --> 02:26:39.096
think of the location. Um, you know,

02:26:39.120 --> 02:26:42.120
possibilities. Um, and I off the top of

02:26:42.160 --> 02:26:43.496
my head, I can't tell you how I don't

02:26:43.520 --> 02:26:44.776
think there was not that many that I

02:26:44.800 --> 02:26:46.056
actually called up. There were some that

02:26:46.080 --> 02:26:48.536
I looked at and went, it didn't need to

02:26:48.560 --> 02:26:51.560
progress. So, I do acknowledge that

02:26:51.760 --> 02:26:53.496
there are alternatives with our council

02:26:53.520 --> 02:26:55.896
bulletin that we can look at, but this

02:26:55.920 --> 02:26:58.295
for me is a great way just to be heads

02:26:58.319 --> 02:27:00.536
up. Hey, you've got this coming. What do

02:27:00.560 --> 02:27:02.056
you want to do? And we do have a limited

02:27:02.080 --> 02:27:05.080
time to respond to these emails. Um, and

02:27:05.840 --> 02:27:08.696
after that, it it lapses. So, for me, I

02:27:08.720 --> 02:27:10.776
do appreciate the officers reaching out

02:27:10.800 --> 02:27:13.800
with these for consideration. Um, and I

02:27:14.080 --> 02:27:15.976
do  and I will be supporting this

02:27:16.000 --> 02:27:17.496
alternate. So, thank you.

02:27:17.520 --> 02:27:19.816
Thank you.

02:27:19.840 --> 02:27:22.375
Thank you, Councelor Lockwood. Um,

02:27:22.399 --> 02:27:25.399
once again, I shall oppose um this. I

02:27:26.240 --> 02:27:28.375
don't think it's necessary anymore. 

02:27:28.399 --> 02:27:30.455
I want to point out it's not a policy.

02:27:30.479 --> 02:27:33.479
Um, it's a motion of council put up at

02:27:34.000 --> 02:27:36.616
um a meeting of council by  certain

02:27:36.640 --> 02:27:39.640
council peers um at the time.

02:27:41.760 --> 02:27:44.760
No, you weren't here.

02:27:45.040 --> 02:27:48.040
Um in order to Yeah. if it cross if a

02:27:48.319 --> 02:27:50.696
development crossed a threshold u what

02:27:50.720 --> 02:27:52.776
three or more on a block um that would

02:27:52.800 --> 02:27:55.800
come to us um I I don't see that's

02:27:55.920 --> 02:27:57.415
necessarily any longer particularly with

02:27:57.439 --> 02:27:58.936
the changes in the planning rules this

02:27:58.960 --> 02:28:01.256
this past year um I don't think there'll

02:28:01.280 --> 02:28:03.576
be that many that come to us but I think

02:28:03.600 --> 02:28:05.335
speed is of the essence in some of these

02:28:05.359 --> 02:28:08.359
we need to get on with um delegating it

02:28:08.640 --> 02:28:10.375
because planning these planning

02:28:10.399 --> 02:28:12.056
approvals are administrative decisions

02:28:12.080 --> 02:28:14.455
they're not policy or strategy decisions

02:28:14.479 --> 02:28:16.856
it's it's one part of our agenda that we

02:28:16.880 --> 02:28:19.496
don't get we make our policy in terms of

02:28:19.520 --> 02:28:21.896
the planning system and our housing

02:28:21.920 --> 02:28:24.056
policy but once it gets to these

02:28:24.080 --> 02:28:26.136
approvals their administrative decisions

02:28:26.160 --> 02:28:28.216
so I'm quite happy for the officers to

02:28:28.240 --> 02:28:31.176
take help take care of that it  we we

02:28:31.200 --> 02:28:33.096
raised the bar some years ago the

02:28:33.120 --> 02:28:35.656
benefit of that was we don't get anybody

02:28:35.680 --> 02:28:37.496
accusing us of corruption because we're

02:28:37.520 --> 02:28:39.415
not involved in those decisions

02:28:39.439 --> 02:28:41.016
developers are never going to come to us

02:28:41.040 --> 02:28:42.776
because we don't make the decisions

02:28:42.800 --> 02:28:45.496
they're all delegated to to a whole team

02:28:45.520 --> 02:28:48.520
down there that does the work. Um,

02:28:49.120 --> 02:28:51.415
I say it mean we leave it to delegation.

02:28:51.439 --> 02:28:54.439
Um, I I think any delay look three three

02:28:54.800 --> 02:28:56.136
get three three days to make up your

02:28:56.160 --> 02:28:58.216
mind. I try to turn around as quickly as

02:28:58.240 --> 02:29:00.696
possible within an hour or two so that

02:29:00.720 --> 02:29:03.415
the officers can get on with it. Um, I

02:29:03.439 --> 02:29:05.576
don't want to call them up. I don't see

02:29:05.600 --> 02:29:07.335
the point. I can't do anything cuz it's

02:29:07.359 --> 02:29:09.656
recommended for approval. These are

02:29:09.680 --> 02:29:12.455
there what the motion says is that that

02:29:12.479 --> 02:29:14.455
the um development is a recommended for

02:29:14.479 --> 02:29:16.455
approval, but it's three or more. So,

02:29:16.479 --> 02:29:17.976
we're going to tell you about it and if

02:29:18.000 --> 02:29:20.455
you want, you can call it up. Um I

02:29:20.479 --> 02:29:22.295
serely don't see we can actually achieve

02:29:22.319 --> 02:29:24.056
anything with that. It'll it'll get

02:29:24.080 --> 02:29:26.616
approved anyway. Um and there's

02:29:26.640 --> 02:29:28.216
sometimes a very small number of

02:29:28.240 --> 02:29:31.240
objections, one two or three. Again, um

02:29:31.760 --> 02:29:33.335
I'm not interested in calling those up

02:29:33.359 --> 02:29:35.335
because there's too few. um the

02:29:35.359 --> 02:29:37.896
threshold is on the development itself,

02:29:37.920 --> 02:29:40.295
not on the number of objectives  which

02:29:40.319 --> 02:29:42.295
I think is a is a bit of a flaw in that

02:29:42.319 --> 02:29:45.319
system. Um so yeah, I I I would oppose

02:29:45.680 --> 02:29:47.816
this and say let's let's speed up the

02:29:47.840 --> 02:29:49.576
process and let the staff get on with

02:29:49.600 --> 02:29:51.976
what we pay them to do and get our hands

02:29:52.000 --> 02:29:55.000
out of planning decisions.

02:29:55.600 --> 02:29:58.600
Thank you, Councelor Lockwood. Um if if

02:29:59.680 --> 02:30:02.616
um if the secondary is happy, I'm happy

02:30:02.640 --> 02:30:04.936
to add a second point

02:30:04.960 --> 02:30:06.856
um

02:30:06.880 --> 02:30:09.880
that we reduce the 72 hours

02:30:11.120 --> 02:30:14.120
um to one business day

02:30:15.040 --> 02:30:17.496
to rep to respond.

02:30:17.520 --> 02:30:20.520
Um if if that would make councelor

02:30:21.439 --> 02:30:24.439
Lockwood more comfortable.

02:30:25.520 --> 02:30:27.896
No, you're saying just get rid of it.

02:30:27.920 --> 02:30:30.136
Um, okay. No, then we'll leave it as it

02:30:30.160 --> 02:30:32.616
is. Um, would any other counselor like

02:30:32.640 --> 02:30:35.096
to speak to the motion? Yep. Councelor

02:30:35.120 --> 02:30:35.976
Duncan.

02:30:36.000 --> 02:30:39.000
 thank you, Mayor. Um, I know this

02:30:39.120 --> 02:30:41.415
was a resolution of council as as

02:30:41.439 --> 02:30:43.335
councelor Lockwood said. Um, I just

02:30:43.359 --> 02:30:46.359
wanted to query point 1B. It says that

02:30:46.720 --> 02:30:48.776
about the three dwellings or more, it's

02:30:48.800 --> 02:30:50.536
specifically located in the KKnox

02:30:50.560 --> 02:30:52.375
neighborhood and Bush suburban areas of

02:30:52.399 --> 02:30:54.776
the KKnox housing strategy. That's only a

02:30:54.800 --> 02:30:57.800
very very small part of our entire area.

02:30:57.840 --> 02:31:00.455
Um I'm foreshadowing a question might be

02:31:00.479 --> 02:31:02.616
in here along the lines of why why is

02:31:02.640 --> 02:31:04.856
the foothills not in this or why are

02:31:04.880 --> 02:31:06.375
other areas not in this? Are they

02:31:06.399 --> 02:31:09.399
covered by some other policy? Um but I I

02:31:10.319 --> 02:31:11.736
tend to agree with councelor Lockwood

02:31:11.760 --> 02:31:13.096
here. We were already given this

02:31:13.120 --> 02:31:16.120
information within our our bulletins and

02:31:16.160 --> 02:31:18.616
so forth and as an active counselor I

02:31:18.640 --> 02:31:19.896
assume you're all reading those and

02:31:19.920 --> 02:31:21.415
would see the ones that are of interest

02:31:21.439 --> 02:31:24.136
to you. um as opposed to just three

02:31:24.160 --> 02:31:26.856
dwellings being put on there triggering

02:31:26.880 --> 02:31:29.096
additional work for the staff to alert

02:31:29.120 --> 02:31:30.375
us to the fact that there's three

02:31:30.399 --> 02:31:33.399
dwellings going up there. Um so I'm per

02:31:33.760 --> 02:31:35.976
per the last one which I did change my

02:31:36.000 --> 02:31:38.856
vote versus what I spoke about. Um this

02:31:38.880 --> 02:31:41.415
this one here I I see this is a doubling

02:31:41.439 --> 02:31:43.256
up of effort and actually putting in

02:31:43.280 --> 02:31:46.216
information  that's superfluous to us.

02:31:46.240 --> 02:31:47.256
We already have it in front of

02:31:47.280 --> 02:31:50.280
ourselves. we we have ample time to

02:31:50.800 --> 02:31:52.616
respond to it, whereas this year puts

02:31:52.640 --> 02:31:54.295
the pressure on the officers to give us

02:31:54.319 --> 02:31:56.455
an email and then us to respond within

02:31:56.479 --> 02:31:59.479
72 hours. Um I I think being able to

02:31:59.600 --> 02:32:02.375
look it up ourselves is is enough as

02:32:02.399 --> 02:32:04.295
councelor Baker said, there's not many

02:32:04.319 --> 02:32:05.816
of these that have come up for her that

02:32:05.840 --> 02:32:08.455
have highlighted something. Um I did

02:32:08.479 --> 02:32:10.375
want to also disagree with councelor

02:32:10.399 --> 02:32:13.399
Lockwood um about being alerted to these

02:32:14.160 --> 02:32:15.576
etc. That's exactly what happened with

02:32:15.600 --> 02:32:18.600
276 before it got to the point of having

02:32:18.880 --> 02:32:21.415
300 odd objections to it. But that is

02:32:21.439 --> 02:32:22.936
that is something that I'd already read

02:32:22.960 --> 02:32:24.455
in the forward planning and had been

02:32:24.479 --> 02:32:27.256
made aware of. So I I think the offic's

02:32:27.280 --> 02:32:29.335
time could be better spent not

02:32:29.359 --> 02:32:31.335
duplicating what is already in our

02:32:31.359 --> 02:32:33.736
bulletins that we get each week. That's

02:32:33.760 --> 02:32:34.776
all. Thank you.

02:32:34.800 --> 02:32:36.936
Thank you. Would any other counselor

02:32:36.960 --> 02:32:39.096
like Thank you, councelor Williams.

02:32:39.120 --> 02:32:40.536
Thank you through you, Mayor. Um

02:32:40.560 --> 02:32:42.216
likewise, I think I'm probably going to

02:32:42.240 --> 02:32:44.776
oppose this. I have had a few emails um

02:32:44.800 --> 02:32:47.176
since I became a counselor. My um area

02:32:47.200 --> 02:32:48.776
seems to get a bit of development and

02:32:48.800 --> 02:32:51.800
activity. Um however, when I've inquired

02:32:52.319 --> 02:32:53.896
about that development and perhaps found

02:32:53.920 --> 02:32:56.920
out the reasons why  it's been raised

02:32:57.120 --> 02:32:59.096
to me and that might be, you know, the

02:32:59.120 --> 02:33:01.816
um objections and so on, when I've asked

02:33:01.840 --> 02:33:03.976
the questions further to that um as to

02:33:04.000 --> 02:33:05.736
what I can actually do, there's not a

02:33:05.760 --> 02:33:08.455
lot I can do. Um, and I think the new

02:33:08.479 --> 02:33:10.455
deem to comply has has definitely

02:33:10.479 --> 02:33:12.856
changed  the landscape that we know as

02:33:12.880 --> 02:33:15.415
council. Um,

02:33:15.439 --> 02:33:17.656
and I'm sure likewise if if you're an

02:33:17.680 --> 02:33:18.776
active council and you're looking at

02:33:18.800 --> 02:33:20.295
things, you're going to be on top of

02:33:20.319 --> 02:33:22.696
your ward. Um, and if there's plenty of

02:33:22.720 --> 02:33:24.536
issues, if there's a lot of objections

02:33:24.560 --> 02:33:25.976
to a particular property, I think you're

02:33:26.000 --> 02:33:27.016
also going to hear from a lot of your

02:33:27.040 --> 02:33:28.536
residents, um, if you're connected with

02:33:28.560 --> 02:33:30.295
your residents. But I'll be honest, I

02:33:30.319 --> 02:33:31.656
probably had, and I'm just going to

02:33:31.680 --> 02:33:33.576
throw it out there, maybe five. and

02:33:33.600 --> 02:33:35.016
every time I've inquired about it, it's

02:33:35.040 --> 02:33:37.256
like it it's deemed to comply. So there

02:33:37.280 --> 02:33:38.776
there's really not a lot I can do from

02:33:38.800 --> 02:33:41.335
there. So I do think  I agree with the

02:33:41.359 --> 02:33:43.656
fellow counselors and and that is let's

02:33:43.680 --> 02:33:45.496
give the staff their time back rather

02:33:45.520 --> 02:33:48.520
than having to notify us and um  sadly

02:33:48.880 --> 02:33:50.455
with the new system we've got that the

02:33:50.479 --> 02:33:52.696
state's implemented. Um building's just

02:33:52.720 --> 02:33:54.295
got to go through a lot quicker and it

02:33:54.319 --> 02:33:55.976
look it's it's obviously not favorable

02:33:56.000 --> 02:33:57.576
for all of us and and I'm sure we don't

02:33:57.600 --> 02:33:59.576
all like it but we're we're lumped with

02:33:59.600 --> 02:34:01.415
the system we've got. So um yeah based

02:34:01.439 --> 02:34:03.896
on that I'll um um probably go back to

02:34:03.920 --> 02:34:05.496
the um officer's recommendation on that

02:34:05.520 --> 02:34:06.936
as well.

02:34:06.960 --> 02:34:08.455
Thank you councelor Williams. Would any

02:34:08.479 --> 02:34:10.056
other council like to speak? Thank you

02:34:10.080 --> 02:34:12.056
councelor Kennet.

02:34:12.080 --> 02:34:13.656
Through you madame Mayor. I wanted to

02:34:13.680 --> 02:34:15.736
ask a question, a planning related

02:34:15.760 --> 02:34:18.760
question um specifically regarding the

02:34:19.280 --> 02:34:22.280
um bush suburban areas

02:34:23.200 --> 02:34:26.200
um and and and the foothills because I

02:34:26.880 --> 02:34:29.880
understand that the planning reforms

02:34:31.200 --> 02:34:34.200
won't affect those areas in the same way

02:34:34.960 --> 02:34:37.496
that other residential areas in the KKnox

02:34:37.520 --> 02:34:40.375
municipality are. So I'm just wondering

02:34:40.399 --> 02:34:43.399
how this would relate to that

02:34:47.120 --> 02:34:48.136
through you madam Mayor. I'll

02:34:48.160 --> 02:34:48.536
thank you.

02:34:48.560 --> 02:34:51.096
I'll I'll answer the question. So this

02:34:51.120 --> 02:34:52.696
this goes back to a comment that

02:34:52.720 --> 02:34:54.856
councelor Duncan made before as well.

02:34:54.880 --> 02:34:56.295
We're dealing with two very different

02:34:56.319 --> 02:34:59.016
things. So Bush Suburban is a

02:34:59.040 --> 02:35:00.536
effectively a neighborhood character

02:35:00.560 --> 02:35:02.295
area that stems from the KKnox housing

02:35:02.319 --> 02:35:03.976
strategy. This housing strategy

02:35:04.000 --> 02:35:06.616
identifies a range of different types of

02:35:06.640 --> 02:35:09.176
um character areas across KKnox. The

02:35:09.200 --> 02:35:12.200
foothills is a broader policy region in

02:35:12.880 --> 02:35:14.616
KKnox and that has its own suite of

02:35:14.640 --> 02:35:16.216
controls particularly through overlay

02:35:16.240 --> 02:35:18.536
controls. So the the two are separate

02:35:18.560 --> 02:35:21.016
issues. You might have a bush suburban

02:35:21.040 --> 02:35:24.040
area in a um foothills area. um you

02:35:24.479 --> 02:35:26.616
might have an ox um neighborhood area in

02:35:26.640 --> 02:35:28.696
a foothills area, but the foothills

02:35:28.720 --> 02:35:31.016
overlays play a particular role versus

02:35:31.040 --> 02:35:33.896
what a character statement might. Um so

02:35:33.920 --> 02:35:35.976
they're two different things going on.

02:35:36.000 --> 02:35:38.536
Um that can be a little bit confusing,

02:35:38.560 --> 02:35:40.696
but it it kind of doesn't matter if it's

02:35:40.720 --> 02:35:43.335
three dwellings um in those two areas,

02:35:43.359 --> 02:35:44.696
then that's what triggers this

02:35:44.720 --> 02:35:47.496
particular response. What councils

02:35:47.520 --> 02:35:49.736
probably need to be aware of as well is

02:35:49.760 --> 02:35:51.415
that council's going through a review of

02:35:51.439 --> 02:35:54.439
its housing strategy and it is facing a

02:35:54.479 --> 02:35:57.479
target of 43,000 dwellings by 201. And

02:35:58.800 --> 02:36:00.536
so I would expect to be able to achieve

02:36:00.560 --> 02:36:02.696
that figure, council's going to really

02:36:02.720 --> 02:36:05.016
seriously need to revisit its character

02:36:05.040 --> 02:36:07.415
areas. And I wouldn't expect these

02:36:07.439 --> 02:36:10.216
character areas to live much longer. So

02:36:10.240 --> 02:36:12.295
I would expect even if council continued

02:36:12.319 --> 02:36:13.816
this evening, it will probably need to

02:36:13.840 --> 02:36:15.976
revisit this issue again in the next

02:36:16.000 --> 02:36:19.000
couple of years.

02:36:20.080 --> 02:36:22.856
Thank you. Um councelor Kennet, did you

02:36:22.880 --> 02:36:25.016
want to speak to No. Okay. Would any

02:36:25.040 --> 02:36:26.455
other counselor like to speak to the

02:36:26.479 --> 02:36:28.536
motion?

02:36:28.560 --> 02:36:31.560
Okay. Um

02:36:31.680 --> 02:36:33.176
I don't think I really need to exercise

02:36:33.200 --> 02:36:35.496
a a right of reply. I think everyone's

02:36:35.520 --> 02:36:37.976
pretty much made their their positions

02:36:38.000 --> 02:36:40.295
known. Um, so I'll put the vote. All

02:36:40.319 --> 02:36:43.319
those in favor?

02:36:43.520 --> 02:36:45.976
The motion is carried.

02:36:46.000 --> 02:36:49.000
Thank you.

02:36:51.280 --> 02:36:54.280
Okay, we'll now move to item 8.5,

02:36:54.560 --> 02:36:57.560
um, asset plan 2026 to 2035.

02:36:58.640 --> 02:37:01.640
Would a counselor like to move a motion?

02:37:06.240 --> 02:37:09.240
Thank you, Council Pearce. Um, seconded.

02:37:09.359 --> 02:37:10.455
You're moving the officer's

02:37:10.479 --> 02:37:13.415
recommendation. Yep. Seconded by

02:37:13.439 --> 02:37:16.439
councelor Baker. Thank you. Councelor

02:37:16.640 --> 02:37:18.056
Pearce, would you like to speak to the

02:37:18.080 --> 02:37:21.080
motion? No. Reserve my right. Thank you,

02:37:21.600 --> 02:37:23.496
councelor Baker. Thank you. Just

02:37:23.520 --> 02:37:26.455
briefly, um, this is a requirement the

02:37:26.479 --> 02:37:28.616
council have to develop and adopt and

02:37:28.640 --> 02:37:31.640
keep in force. Um, is the asset plan um,

02:37:32.000 --> 02:37:34.375
as a component of its strategic planning

02:37:34.399 --> 02:37:37.399
and reporting framework. Um, so it's

02:37:38.319 --> 02:37:40.536
it's outlining a plan that will set out

02:37:40.560 --> 02:37:42.696
how we will acquire, build, look after,

02:37:42.720 --> 02:37:44.455
and use our assets over the next 10

02:37:44.479 --> 02:37:46.856
years. Um, and I just would like to note

02:37:46.880 --> 02:37:48.136
the feedback as well that we've

02:37:48.160 --> 02:37:49.816
received, and thank you to those in our

02:37:49.840 --> 02:37:52.216
community who have taken the time to get

02:37:52.240 --> 02:37:54.375
through what feels like a pretty heavy

02:37:54.399 --> 02:37:56.616
document um, and provide their feedback.

02:37:56.640 --> 02:37:59.016
So, I do appreciate that time and thank

02:37:59.040 --> 02:38:02.040
you to the officers as well. So, um, I'm

02:38:02.080 --> 02:38:04.936
happy to endorse this. Thank you.

02:38:04.960 --> 02:38:07.960
Thank you, Councelor Baker. Would any

02:38:08.080 --> 02:38:09.496
other counselor like to speak to the

02:38:09.520 --> 02:38:11.335
motion?

02:38:11.359 --> 02:38:13.176
No. Would you like to exercise your

02:38:13.200 --> 02:38:14.776
right of reply?

02:38:14.800 --> 02:38:16.536
No, I think I won't. Thank you.

02:38:16.560 --> 02:38:17.976
Thank you. I'll now put the motion. All

02:38:18.000 --> 02:38:20.375
those in favor? The motion is carried.

02:38:20.399 --> 02:38:23.176
Thank you. We'll move on to item 8.6,

02:38:23.200 --> 02:38:25.576
road management plan review, post

02:38:25.600 --> 02:38:27.896
engagement. Would a counselor like to

02:38:27.920 --> 02:38:30.455
move a motion?

02:38:30.479 --> 02:38:33.479
Thank you, councelor Williams.

02:38:33.680 --> 02:38:36.136
Moving the office's recommendation.

02:38:36.160 --> 02:38:39.160
Thank you. Seconded by councelor Atwell.

02:38:39.680 --> 02:38:41.096
Councelor Williams. Would you like to

02:38:41.120 --> 02:38:42.536
speak to the motion?

02:38:42.560 --> 02:38:43.976
Thank you through you, Mayor. Just very

02:38:44.000 --> 02:38:45.976
briefly um obviously noting the

02:38:46.000 --> 02:38:47.256
community feedback that has been

02:38:47.280 --> 02:38:49.176
received on this, but um some really

02:38:49.200 --> 02:38:51.016
good benchmarking results and and some

02:38:51.040 --> 02:38:53.816
overall um compliance that we've

02:38:53.840 --> 02:38:55.736
reached. You know, 98% against a

02:38:55.760 --> 02:38:57.176
targeted 100. I think that's that's a

02:38:57.200 --> 02:38:59.576
pretty pretty good target. 97 against

02:38:59.600 --> 02:39:01.976
100. But definitely over the last um

02:39:02.000 --> 02:39:05.000
couple of years um we're we're above

02:39:05.200 --> 02:39:08.200
where we were you know back 2013 2017

02:39:08.479 --> 02:39:10.776
2021. So um just a well done to the

02:39:10.800 --> 02:39:13.016
staff for um  keeping that you know

02:39:13.040 --> 02:39:15.415
rectification time to respond to um

02:39:15.439 --> 02:39:18.439
reactive work orders 99% compliance. So

02:39:18.560 --> 02:39:21.096
it's pretty fast acting. Um so yeah just

02:39:21.120 --> 02:39:22.616
wanted to pass on a congratulations to

02:39:22.640 --> 02:39:25.176
the team for some really great results.

02:39:25.200 --> 02:39:27.176
Terrific. Thank you very much councelor

02:39:27.200 --> 02:39:29.176
Atwell.

02:39:29.200 --> 02:39:31.016
Thank you Mayor. Just to briefly build

02:39:31.040 --> 02:39:34.040
on  councelor Williams  comments um

02:39:34.319 --> 02:39:37.016
thought it's interesting that council 

02:39:37.040 --> 02:39:40.040
council has 729 km of roads, 1249

02:39:41.359 --> 02:39:43.816
km of footpaths and 14 km of off-road

02:39:43.840 --> 02:39:46.056
share paths. Um just an incredible

02:39:46.080 --> 02:39:48.936
network of assets that that we manage um

02:39:48.960 --> 02:39:51.816
and appreciate the engagement  with

02:39:51.840 --> 02:39:53.896
the community um and feedback's been

02:39:53.920 --> 02:39:56.375
incorporated. There were 289 89

02:39:56.399 --> 02:39:58.776
responses um to putting this out to

02:39:58.800 --> 02:40:01.256
feedback  with 73% supporting propos

02:40:01.280 --> 02:40:04.280
the proposed service levels. Um so 

02:40:05.600 --> 02:40:07.176
yeah post engagement I think there was

02:40:07.200 --> 02:40:08.936
some minor administrative changes

02:40:08.960 --> 02:40:10.856
nothing major um after coming back from

02:40:10.880 --> 02:40:13.656
community consultation. So ready to 

02:40:13.680 --> 02:40:15.256
move forward and adopt this now. Thank

02:40:15.280 --> 02:40:16.056
you.

02:40:16.080 --> 02:40:17.576
Thank you councelor Awell. Would any

02:40:17.600 --> 02:40:19.256
other counselor like to speak to the

02:40:19.280 --> 02:40:22.280
motion?

02:40:22.479 --> 02:40:25.479
No. Council Williams, would you like to

02:40:25.840 --> 02:40:28.056
exercise your right of reply? Yeah. I'll

02:40:28.080 --> 02:40:30.856
now put the motion. All those in favor?

02:40:30.880 --> 02:40:33.880
The motion is carried. Thank you.

02:40:33.920 --> 02:40:36.375
Okay. Councilors, we're up to 8.7. And

02:40:36.399 --> 02:40:38.295
as foreshadowed, we have several

02:40:38.319 --> 02:40:40.696
counselors  who have conflicts of

02:40:40.720 --> 02:40:43.256
interest to declare for this item. So,

02:40:43.280 --> 02:40:45.096
I'm going to ask each counselor to

02:40:45.120 --> 02:40:47.176
formally declare their conflicts of

02:40:47.200 --> 02:40:49.976
interest um in shortly. But before I do

02:40:50.000 --> 02:40:52.936
that, um I would like to just note that

02:40:52.960 --> 02:40:55.960
we may actually lose our quorum if all

02:40:56.399 --> 02:40:58.136
counselors leave the chamber all at

02:40:58.160 --> 02:41:01.160
once. So under section 67 of the local

02:41:01.920 --> 02:41:04.776
government act, if at any time council

02:41:04.800 --> 02:41:07.176
is unable to maintain a quorum because

02:41:07.200 --> 02:41:09.096
too many counselors have declared a

02:41:09.120 --> 02:41:12.120
conflict of interest in relation to um

02:41:12.960 --> 02:41:15.656
in relation to a particular matter,

02:41:15.680 --> 02:41:17.736
council may resolve to split the matter

02:41:17.760 --> 02:41:20.760
into two or more separate parts allowing

02:41:21.040 --> 02:41:23.415
a quorum to be maintained for each

02:41:23.439 --> 02:41:26.439
individual part of that decision. So

02:41:26.479 --> 02:41:28.455
therefore, I going to propose the

02:41:28.479 --> 02:41:30.136
following motion which we're putting up

02:41:30.160 --> 02:41:32.776
on the screen. That council resolve to

02:41:32.800 --> 02:41:35.415
split item 8.7, community development

02:41:35.439 --> 02:41:37.496
fund program assessment panel

02:41:37.520 --> 02:41:40.520
recommendations 2025 to 2026

02:41:41.600 --> 02:41:43.736
into two or more parts so that a quorum

02:41:43.760 --> 02:41:45.896
can be maintained for each separate

02:41:45.920 --> 02:41:48.776
part. I will move the item from the

02:41:48.800 --> 02:41:50.536
chair and I'm calling for a second

02:41:50.560 --> 02:41:53.560
please. Thank you councelor Williams.

02:41:53.760 --> 02:41:54.936
All those in favor?

02:41:54.960 --> 02:41:56.616
I'd like to speak to the motion if I

02:41:56.640 --> 02:41:57.736
may.

02:41:57.760 --> 02:42:00.295
The the move. Okay. Yes.

02:42:00.319 --> 02:42:03.319
Um I think we've only got four

02:42:04.240 --> 02:42:06.056
with a um conflict of interest, don't

02:42:06.080 --> 02:42:09.080
we? That would leave us with five.

02:42:09.280 --> 02:42:10.455
Who's the fifth?

02:42:10.479 --> 02:42:12.616
We have five. They were declared at the

02:42:12.640 --> 02:42:13.256
beginning of the meeting.

02:42:13.280 --> 02:42:15.256
I thought I only counted four though.

02:42:15.280 --> 02:42:18.280
No, there's five.

02:42:18.479 --> 02:42:20.056
Yep.

02:42:20.080 --> 02:42:23.016
Okay. Well, now I'll put the motion. All

02:42:23.040 --> 02:42:25.656
those in favor? The motion is carried.

02:42:25.680 --> 02:42:27.656
Thank you.

02:42:27.680 --> 02:42:30.455
Um, okay. So, thank you councilors. We

02:42:30.479 --> 02:42:32.455
will now consider the item in several

02:42:32.479 --> 02:42:35.479
parts. Item um item 8.7.

02:42:35.920 --> 02:42:37.816
Um,

02:42:37.840 --> 02:42:39.496
and I'll ask each council who has

02:42:39.520 --> 02:42:41.496
foreshadowed a conflict to disclose

02:42:41.520 --> 02:42:43.496
their conflict separately and leave the

02:42:43.520 --> 02:42:46.056
chamber. for the item being considered

02:42:46.080 --> 02:42:47.736
for the benefit of the gallery and those

02:42:47.760 --> 02:42:50.295
watching at home. We will now separately

02:42:50.319 --> 02:42:51.896
consider some grant applications and

02:42:51.920 --> 02:42:53.415
then consider the balance of the

02:42:53.439 --> 02:42:56.056
application at the end with all of the

02:42:56.080 --> 02:42:59.080
councilors present. Um so I will now

02:42:59.280 --> 02:43:01.096
declare conflicts of interest in this

02:43:01.120 --> 02:43:03.976
item and once I have done this I'll ask

02:43:04.000 --> 02:43:06.375
our deputy Mayor to come and chair the

02:43:06.399 --> 02:43:08.696
meeting in my absence.

02:43:08.720 --> 02:43:11.720
Um so I will read my conflict first and

02:43:13.840 --> 02:43:16.696
um my conflict is a general so first of

02:43:16.720 --> 02:43:18.455
all in accordance with the local

02:43:18.479 --> 02:43:21.415
government act 2020 I Lisa Cooper

02:43:21.439 --> 02:43:23.335
declare that I have a general conflict

02:43:23.359 --> 02:43:26.359
of interest in relation to um item 8.7

02:43:28.479 --> 02:43:30.136
community development funding grants

02:43:30.160 --> 02:43:32.696
2025 to 2026

02:43:32.720 --> 02:43:35.720
on this day the 27th of October 2025

02:43:37.280 --> 02:43:40.056
um and The nature of my interest is that

02:43:40.080 --> 02:43:42.375
I am the network manager for several

02:43:42.399 --> 02:43:44.455
community houses recommended for grants

02:43:44.479 --> 02:43:46.696
in this report.

02:43:46.720 --> 02:43:48.776
So I'm going to now leave the meeting

02:43:48.800 --> 02:43:51.800
and hand over to the deputy Mayor.

02:43:52.319 --> 02:43:55.319
Thank you. Just go.

02:44:11.439 --> 02:44:14.439
The same thing.

02:44:15.359 --> 02:44:17.656
Okay.  councils, we'll look at  part

02:44:17.680 --> 02:44:20.680
one. Would a counselor like to move a

02:44:20.960 --> 02:44:22.776
motion  shown on the screen? That's

02:44:22.800 --> 02:44:25.800
which is part one of two.

02:44:28.000 --> 02:44:30.056
We're doing part one separately for part

02:44:30.080 --> 02:44:33.080
two.

02:44:38.160 --> 02:44:41.160
Great through you chair. So um under the

02:44:41.359 --> 02:44:44.295
provisions of 67 um because we have

02:44:44.319 --> 02:44:46.216
councils with specific conflicts, we're

02:44:46.240 --> 02:44:47.736
looking at very specific items. So

02:44:47.760 --> 02:44:50.056
you'll note this particular item relates

02:44:50.080 --> 02:44:51.656
um very specifically to the community

02:44:51.680 --> 02:44:54.375
houses um for which no other councilors

02:44:54.399 --> 02:44:55.896
that we're aware of have a conflict of

02:44:55.920 --> 02:44:57.736
interest. So once this matter is

02:44:57.760 --> 02:44:59.176
determined, the Mayor will be able to

02:44:59.200 --> 02:45:00.616
come back and join the meeting because

02:45:00.640 --> 02:45:02.536
this item will have been resolved and

02:45:02.560 --> 02:45:05.560
then we'll consider each um each each

02:45:05.600 --> 02:45:07.576
council's conflicted item in their

02:45:07.600 --> 02:45:09.816
absence then allowing councilors to deal

02:45:09.840 --> 02:45:11.496
with the balance as a whole. So this is

02:45:11.520 --> 02:45:13.976
very specifically in relation to the

02:45:14.000 --> 02:45:15.656
neighborhood houses. Happy to read it if

02:45:15.680 --> 02:45:17.415
you'd like. Mr. Deputy May.

02:45:17.439 --> 02:45:18.936
 thank you, Mr. Deling. I think we're

02:45:18.960 --> 02:45:21.096
all clear on that. Councilors, 

02:45:21.120 --> 02:45:22.696
councelor Williams, you happy to move

02:45:22.720 --> 02:45:25.096
the part one is on the screen and

02:45:25.120 --> 02:45:28.120
councelor Baker  will second. 

02:45:28.160 --> 02:45:29.656
councelor Williams is move. Do you wish

02:45:29.680 --> 02:45:32.056
to speak?

02:45:32.080 --> 02:45:35.080
 no nothing more really to say but um

02:45:35.200 --> 02:45:37.096
obviously the um CDF recommendations

02:45:37.120 --> 02:45:38.375
that have been put forward to cancel

02:45:38.399 --> 02:45:40.295
especially for these neighborhood houses

02:45:40.319 --> 02:45:42.696
they will provide a very essential part

02:45:42.720 --> 02:45:45.576
of our community and  I know directly

02:45:45.600 --> 02:45:47.896
working with Arana and and partly with

02:45:47.920 --> 02:45:50.920
um  Canary in the past um these guys

02:45:51.920 --> 02:45:54.920
yeah as I said do really good job and um

02:45:55.040 --> 02:45:57.096
you know thriving in Knox you know that's

02:45:57.120 --> 02:45:59.656
what we want to achieve. So, um I think

02:45:59.680 --> 02:46:01.016
you know all the connections and the

02:46:01.040 --> 02:46:02.295
tools that these guys bring to our

02:46:02.319 --> 02:46:04.375
community are amazing and um implore

02:46:04.399 --> 02:46:07.335
their um applications and um hopefully

02:46:07.359 --> 02:46:09.415
we all support them.

02:46:09.439 --> 02:46:10.696
Thank you, councelor Williams. 

02:46:10.720 --> 02:46:12.056
councelor Baker, do you wish to speak a

02:46:12.080 --> 02:46:12.536
second?

02:46:12.560 --> 02:46:14.856
Thank you. And as one  council has got

02:46:14.880 --> 02:46:17.736
Canaro in their house  in their ward

02:46:17.760 --> 02:46:19.576
um just want to obviously point out with

02:46:19.600 --> 02:46:21.736
Canaro Community House their application

02:46:21.760 --> 02:46:24.455
was for she connects  equipment

02:46:24.479 --> 02:46:27.176
component which will be empowering women

02:46:27.200 --> 02:46:28.936
through monthly health checks, workshops

02:46:28.960 --> 02:46:30.375
and wellness activities building

02:46:30.399 --> 02:46:32.295
confidence, resilience, social

02:46:32.319 --> 02:46:34.536
connection and community belonging. Um

02:46:34.560 --> 02:46:36.455
so very happy to support this along with

02:46:36.479 --> 02:46:37.736
the other recommendations that are

02:46:37.760 --> 02:46:40.760
outlined there. Um and I  I'm happy to

02:46:41.600 --> 02:46:43.335
support a program that our community

02:46:43.359 --> 02:46:46.359
houses offer um across KKnox. So thank

02:46:46.720 --> 02:46:47.415
you.

02:46:47.439 --> 02:46:48.856
Thank you councelor Baker. Any other

02:46:48.880 --> 02:46:51.880
council wish to speak? Councelor Kennet.

02:46:52.960 --> 02:46:53.976
Question.

02:46:54.000 --> 02:46:56.375
I have a question through you deputy

02:46:56.399 --> 02:46:59.255
Mayor. Um the Glen Park Community

02:46:59.279 --> 02:47:02.279
Center. I'm wondering why

02:47:02.880 --> 02:47:05.880
 this particular application was

02:47:06.240 --> 02:47:09.240
approved under this funding  model

02:47:10.560 --> 02:47:12.776
rather than receiving it under the

02:47:12.800 --> 02:47:15.800
emergency relief fund.

02:47:16.080 --> 02:47:17.816
Thank you, Councelor Kennet.  Miss

02:47:17.840 --> 02:47:20.840
Chley, would you like to answer?

02:47:22.319 --> 02:47:24.136
Thank you through your deputy Mayor. Um

02:47:24.160 --> 02:47:26.216
my understanding was that um it fit the

02:47:26.240 --> 02:47:28.455
criteria to go in this one. Um they did

02:47:28.479 --> 02:47:30.455
review most of them and if they were to

02:47:30.479 --> 02:47:32.856
be moved across to um different funding

02:47:32.880 --> 02:47:34.856
streams they were. But my understanding

02:47:34.880 --> 02:47:36.696
this specific one did meet the criteria

02:47:36.720 --> 02:47:39.720
for the um community development fund.

02:47:43.840 --> 02:47:45.896
Thank you Mr. Chley.  do any

02:47:45.920 --> 02:47:48.920
councilors wish to speak on part one?

02:47:50.960 --> 02:47:53.096
No. Councelor Williams as mover would

02:47:53.120 --> 02:47:56.120
you like to exercise your reply? No.

02:47:56.160 --> 02:47:57.576
I'll now put the motion. All those in

02:47:57.600 --> 02:48:00.600
favor

02:48:00.720 --> 02:48:03.255
I declare the motion carried.

02:48:03.279 --> 02:48:05.656
We will retrieve  the bear and I'll

02:48:05.680 --> 02:48:08.680
resume my seat.

02:48:21.760 --> 02:48:24.216
Okay. Thank you to our deputy Mayor for

02:48:24.240 --> 02:48:27.016
taking over the chair. Um just going to

02:48:27.040 --> 02:48:30.040
pick up where we left off

02:48:30.160 --> 02:48:33.160
here. Okay. So, we'll now move on to the

02:48:34.640 --> 02:48:36.216
next motion which we're going to see on

02:48:36.240 --> 02:48:38.776
the screen

02:48:38.800 --> 02:48:41.800
that council resolved to adopt the

02:48:42.160 --> 02:48:43.736
community development fund assessment

02:48:43.760 --> 02:48:46.696
panel recommendation

02:48:46.720 --> 02:48:49.720
to not fund the Fry Gully Falcons in

02:48:50.160 --> 02:48:53.160
202526 funding round. um as

02:48:53.359 --> 02:48:55.576
foreshadowed, councelor Baker and

02:48:55.600 --> 02:48:58.375
councelor Duncan um have a conflict of

02:48:58.399 --> 02:49:01.399
interest. Um so councelor Baker, would

02:49:01.600 --> 02:49:03.736
you like to go first? Thank you. Three

02:49:03.760 --> 02:49:06.760
Mayor Cooper. Um in accordance with the

02:49:06.960 --> 02:49:09.656
local government act of 2020, I Megan

02:49:09.680 --> 02:49:11.415
Baker declared that I have a general

02:49:11.439 --> 02:49:14.216
conflict of interest um in relation to

02:49:14.240 --> 02:49:17.240
item 8.7. So this item um and the nature

02:49:17.760 --> 02:49:19.736
of my interest is that a family member

02:49:19.760 --> 02:49:22.455
is on the committee. um of furniture

02:49:22.479 --> 02:49:24.616
falcons committee um and therefore I

02:49:24.640 --> 02:49:26.295
feel it appropriate to remove myself

02:49:26.319 --> 02:49:28.536
from this um decision.

02:49:28.560 --> 02:49:30.136
Thank you councelor Baker. Councelor

02:49:30.160 --> 02:49:31.255
Duncan.

02:49:31.279 --> 02:49:33.255
 thank you Mayor.  in accordance

02:49:33.279 --> 02:49:35.255
with the local government act 2020 I

02:49:35.279 --> 02:49:37.016
Chris Duncan declare that I have a

02:49:37.040 --> 02:49:40.040
material conflict of interest  in in

02:49:40.319 --> 02:49:43.319
the matter 8.6  sorry 8.7 CDF

02:49:43.520 --> 02:49:45.415
assessment panel recommendations for the

02:49:45.439 --> 02:49:48.136
fry falcons.  the nature of my

02:49:48.160 --> 02:49:49.976
interest is that I am a member of the

02:49:50.000 --> 02:49:52.136
executive committee in my capacity as

02:49:52.160 --> 02:49:55.160
vice president of the club.  um and as

02:49:56.000 --> 02:49:58.936
such I have a material conflict of

02:49:58.960 --> 02:50:00.776
interest and will excuse myself from

02:50:00.800 --> 02:50:01.736
these discussions.

02:50:01.760 --> 02:50:04.760
Thank you. Thank you.

02:50:20.479 --> 02:50:22.455
Okay. Would a counselor like to move the

02:50:22.479 --> 02:50:25.479
motion shown on the screen, please?

02:50:27.600 --> 02:50:30.600
So moved by councelor Lockwood seconded

02:50:31.120 --> 02:50:34.056
by councelor Atwell. Thank you.

02:50:34.080 --> 02:50:35.656
Councelor Lockwood, would you like to

02:50:35.680 --> 02:50:38.680
speak to the motion on the screen?

02:50:39.359 --> 02:50:41.176
Say go Falcons, but I guess not. They

02:50:41.200 --> 02:50:43.335
didn't get the money. Um, my sympathies

02:50:43.359 --> 02:50:45.576
my sympathies to the falcons.

02:50:45.600 --> 02:50:48.216
Thank you, councelor Atwell. No. Would

02:50:48.240 --> 02:50:49.736
any counselor like to speak to the

02:50:49.760 --> 02:50:51.016
motion?

02:50:51.040 --> 02:50:54.040
No. Um, councelor Kennet.

02:50:55.680 --> 02:50:58.680
Um, I I guess um because this one does

02:50:59.840 --> 02:51:02.056
have money left over. When I read the

02:51:02.080 --> 02:51:04.616
panel comments, it just says that the

02:51:04.640 --> 02:51:06.455
application could have been strengthened

02:51:06.479 --> 02:51:08.616
by providing more information and

02:51:08.640 --> 02:51:10.696
ensuring that all expenditure aligns

02:51:10.720 --> 02:51:13.176
with eligibility requirements. So, I was

02:51:13.200 --> 02:51:14.856
just after some more information about

02:51:14.880 --> 02:51:16.776
what eligibility requirements they

02:51:16.800 --> 02:51:18.776
didn't meet.

02:51:18.800 --> 02:51:20.776
Thank you. Can I refer that question to

02:51:20.800 --> 02:51:23.800
yourself, Director Chalkley?

02:51:23.920 --> 02:51:25.255
Through you, Madame Mayor. I would have

02:51:25.279 --> 02:51:26.696
to take that on notice and get back to

02:51:26.720 --> 02:51:27.496
you.

02:51:27.520 --> 02:51:29.415
Thank you.

02:51:29.439 --> 02:51:31.496
Would

02:51:31.520 --> 02:51:34.520
you like to speak to the motion?

02:51:36.640 --> 02:51:38.856
Um, without really understanding how

02:51:38.880 --> 02:51:40.536
they haven't met the eligibility

02:51:40.560 --> 02:51:43.096
requirements, I'm not sure how we can

02:51:43.120 --> 02:51:46.056
move forward.

02:51:46.080 --> 02:51:48.936
Okay. Thank you. Noted. Would any other

02:51:48.960 --> 02:51:51.960
counselor like to speak to the motion?

02:51:57.040 --> 02:52:00.040
Um,

02:52:01.439 --> 02:52:04.439
okay.

02:52:04.479 --> 02:52:06.136
No, I I actually don't have any

02:52:06.160 --> 02:52:07.576
questions or anything to say in

02:52:07.600 --> 02:52:09.176
particular in relation to this motion.

02:52:09.200 --> 02:52:11.096
I'm comfortable with the imple

02:52:11.120 --> 02:52:14.120
information that's been provided. Um,

02:52:14.720 --> 02:52:17.335
I think in future it would be good if if

02:52:17.359 --> 02:52:19.096
councilors could ask questions that

02:52:19.120 --> 02:52:22.120
would materially change their um

02:52:23.200 --> 02:52:25.656
decision- making capability in in

02:52:25.680 --> 02:52:27.816
advance of the meeting. That would be

02:52:27.840 --> 02:52:30.696
helpful. Um,

02:52:30.720 --> 02:52:33.176
but at this point I I do have a lot of

02:52:33.200 --> 02:52:35.335
confidence in what's been put before us

02:52:35.359 --> 02:52:37.576
to accept the decision and the outcome

02:52:37.600 --> 02:52:39.335
from the panel.

02:52:39.359 --> 02:52:41.096
Um,

02:52:41.120 --> 02:52:42.936
would any other counselor like to speak

02:52:42.960 --> 02:52:45.960
to the motion?

02:52:46.319 --> 02:52:47.976
No.

02:52:48.000 --> 02:52:50.375
No. I'll now put the motion. All those

02:52:50.399 --> 02:52:53.399
in favor?

02:52:54.080 --> 02:52:56.136
How many in the room? One, two, three,

02:52:56.160 --> 02:52:59.160
four.

02:53:02.000 --> 02:53:05.000
And those opposed?

02:53:05.279 --> 02:53:08.279
So, the motion is lost.

02:53:11.120 --> 02:53:13.656
44.

02:53:13.680 --> 02:53:16.680
It's not 44. It's It's 43.

02:53:18.000 --> 02:53:18.856
Sorry. Yes,

02:53:18.880 --> 02:53:20.616
it's 43.

02:53:20.640 --> 02:53:23.176
Yeah. So, it's lost.

02:53:23.200 --> 02:53:26.200
Sorry. Just clarifying. Can you see?

02:53:27.600 --> 02:53:30.600
Okay. So,

02:53:31.520 --> 02:53:34.520
Okay.

02:54:30.960 --> 02:54:33.736
Um so just speaking with our governance

02:54:33.760 --> 02:54:36.760
um manager we do need to have   an

02:54:37.600 --> 02:54:40.600
outcome. So what has been proposed is

02:54:41.040 --> 02:54:42.936
that we put forward a motion to defer

02:54:42.960 --> 02:54:44.936
this particular

02:54:44.960 --> 02:54:47.960
item to a future council meeting.

02:54:49.279 --> 02:54:50.856
Um

02:54:50.880 --> 02:54:51.415
Defer

02:54:51.439 --> 02:54:53.096
you councelor Lockwood's prepared to

02:54:53.120 --> 02:54:55.736
move that we defer it. Seconded by

02:54:55.760 --> 02:54:58.760
councelor Kennet. Thank you. All those

02:54:59.600 --> 02:55:01.736
in favor?

02:55:01.760 --> 02:55:04.455
Yep. So we that's unanimously supported

02:55:04.479 --> 02:55:06.696
by the seven people in the room. Thank

02:55:06.720 --> 02:55:09.720
you. Um so we can now move on to

02:55:11.200 --> 02:55:14.200
our next motion, but I'll I'll just give

02:55:14.240 --> 02:55:16.295
um Megan and Chris a little bit of time

02:55:16.319 --> 02:55:19.319
to come back in.

02:55:44.479 --> 02:55:46.056
Okay. Okay. So, the next motion which

02:55:46.080 --> 02:55:49.080
will be up on the screen um is that

02:55:49.520 --> 02:55:51.816
council council adopt the community

02:55:51.840 --> 02:55:53.656
development fund assessment panel's

02:55:53.680 --> 02:55:55.176
recommendation

02:55:55.200 --> 02:55:57.656
to partially fund one jetack's

02:55:57.680 --> 02:55:59.976
basketball club incorporated for

02:56:00.000 --> 02:56:02.056
community coaching equipment and support

02:56:02.080 --> 02:56:05.080
initiative for $399.80

02:56:06.399 --> 02:56:09.399
in the 2025 to 2026 funding round. As

02:56:11.600 --> 02:56:13.656
foreshadowed, Councelor Pearce has a

02:56:13.680 --> 02:56:16.680
conflict of interest. Councelor Pearce.

02:56:16.880 --> 02:56:18.936
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, in

02:56:18.960 --> 02:56:20.375
accordance with the Local Government Act

02:56:20.399 --> 02:56:23.399
of 2020, I, Susan Pearce, declare that I

02:56:24.399 --> 02:56:26.856
have a general conflict of interest on

02:56:26.880 --> 02:56:29.335
the meeting of the 27th to 10th 25

02:56:29.359 --> 02:56:32.056
council meeting item 8.7, Community

02:56:32.080 --> 02:56:33.896
Development Fund Grants. I am the

02:56:33.920 --> 02:56:36.056
auditor and not involved in any

02:56:36.080 --> 02:56:39.080
management of the Wturner jetbacks and

02:56:39.279 --> 02:56:40.856
they have partial funding under this

02:56:40.880 --> 02:56:43.656
section. So I will depart. Thank you.

02:56:43.680 --> 02:56:46.680
Thank you councelor Pearce.

02:56:56.640 --> 02:56:59.640
Thank you.

02:56:59.920 --> 02:57:02.856
Pass it. Thank you.

02:57:02.880 --> 02:57:04.696
Okay. Would a counselor like to move the

02:57:04.720 --> 02:57:07.656
motion which is shown on the screen?

02:57:07.680 --> 02:57:10.375
Thank you. Councelor Duncan

02:57:10.399 --> 02:57:13.399
seconded by councelor Baker. Councelor

02:57:13.439 --> 02:57:14.936
Duncan, would you like to speak to the

02:57:14.960 --> 02:57:17.016
motion? Councelor Baker, would you like

02:57:17.040 --> 02:57:19.016
to speak to the motion? Would any

02:57:19.040 --> 02:57:22.040
counselor like to speak to the motion?

02:57:22.160 --> 02:57:24.375
No. Okay. Oh. Now, would you like to

02:57:24.399 --> 02:57:26.936
exercise your apply? No. No. There's

02:57:26.960 --> 02:57:29.736
not. Okay. I'm getting late. All those

02:57:29.760 --> 02:57:32.760
in favor, please. The motion is carried.

02:57:33.520 --> 02:57:36.520
Thank you.

02:57:50.720 --> 02:57:52.295
Okay, we'll now move on to the next

02:57:52.319 --> 02:57:53.816
motion which we're going to have on the

02:57:53.840 --> 02:57:56.455
screen in a moment. Um and that is that

02:57:56.479 --> 02:57:58.536
council resolve to adopt the community

02:57:58.560 --> 02:58:00.295
development fund assessment panel's

02:58:00.319 --> 02:58:03.176
recommendation to fully fund the

02:58:03.200 --> 02:58:06.200
following applicants in the 2025 to 2026

02:58:06.399 --> 02:58:09.176
funding round. Number one, the KKnox Wind

02:58:09.200 --> 02:58:11.496
Sympathy Symphony

02:58:11.520 --> 02:58:13.496
Incorporated for purchase of musical

02:58:13.520 --> 02:58:16.520
instrument for $5,000 in the 202526

02:58:17.680 --> 02:58:20.295
funding round. And number two, the

02:58:20.319 --> 02:58:22.776
Fernry Gully Fire Brigade for a portable

02:58:22.800 --> 02:58:25.800
speaker set for $3,346

02:58:26.479 --> 02:58:29.479
in the 2025 to 2026 funding round. And

02:58:30.640 --> 02:58:32.616
as foreshadowed earlier, Councelor

02:58:32.640 --> 02:58:34.056
Williams, you have a conflict of

02:58:34.080 --> 02:58:35.816
interest to declare.

02:58:35.840 --> 02:58:38.056
I do. My turn. Um, in accordance with

02:58:38.080 --> 02:58:39.896
the Local Government Act 2020, I, Robert

02:58:39.920 --> 02:58:41.335
Williams, declare that I have a general

02:58:41.359 --> 02:58:43.335
conflict of interest. Meeting date being

02:58:43.359 --> 02:58:46.359
the 27th of October 2025. Item 8.7 the

02:58:47.359 --> 02:58:50.359
CDF  CDF panel. Um I the nature of my

02:58:51.439 --> 02:58:53.415
interest is I'm the Knox Group group

02:58:53.439 --> 02:58:55.415
officer um and Fentry Gal is obviously

02:58:55.439 --> 02:58:57.176
one of the fire brigades under that

02:58:57.200 --> 02:59:00.200
command and also  Knox Wind is a

02:59:00.560 --> 02:59:03.560
current client of my um business.

02:59:04.160 --> 02:59:07.160
Thank you.

02:59:17.520 --> 02:59:19.496
Okay. Would a councelor like to move the

02:59:19.520 --> 02:59:21.016
motion which is shown on the screen?

02:59:21.040 --> 02:59:24.040
It's moved by councelor Baker.

02:59:24.160 --> 02:59:26.776
Thank you, councelor Lockwood. Councelor

02:59:26.800 --> 02:59:28.455
Baker, would you like to speak to the

02:59:28.479 --> 02:59:31.176
motion? Thank you. And three, May

02:59:31.200 --> 02:59:33.816
Cooper, just very briefly um obviously

02:59:33.840 --> 02:59:36.840
happy to support musical instruments um

02:59:36.960 --> 02:59:39.496
to to those at the Knox Wind Symphony. Um

02:59:39.520 --> 02:59:41.096
and just noting that obviously Fental

02:59:41.120 --> 02:59:42.455
Fire Brigade they've asked for a

02:59:42.479 --> 02:59:45.415
portable speaker set um and it's to

02:59:45.439 --> 02:59:47.255
funding for to support the audio

02:59:47.279 --> 02:59:50.279
equipment um to improve safety briefings

02:59:50.319 --> 02:59:52.776
um ANZAC ceremonies that they do at the

02:59:52.800 --> 02:59:55.736
quarry um and fire station open days

02:59:55.760 --> 02:59:57.816
reducing ongoing high cost signific

02:59:57.840 --> 03:00:00.776
significantly. So happy to support um

03:00:00.800 --> 03:00:03.415
these requests. Thanks. Thank you

03:00:03.439 --> 03:00:05.736
councelor Baker. Councelor Lockit.

03:00:05.760 --> 03:00:07.255
Yeah, happy to support a wind symphony.

03:00:07.279 --> 03:00:09.335
I love wind instruments. I own one. I

03:00:09.359 --> 03:00:11.016
own a flute so I could play along with

03:00:11.040 --> 03:00:13.176
it. Is that a conflict? No, I don't

03:00:13.200 --> 03:00:15.896
think it is. But no, that that a nice

03:00:15.920 --> 03:00:18.216
wind symphony is a good thing to have um

03:00:18.240 --> 03:00:19.976
to play in the local area. We could we

03:00:20.000 --> 03:00:21.976
should make use of them because they're

03:00:22.000 --> 03:00:23.976
they're very good um and play great

03:00:24.000 --> 03:00:27.000
music. So they could be playing to us as

03:00:27.279 --> 03:00:28.696
they walk into a council meeting one

03:00:28.720 --> 03:00:31.720
night perhaps or council events.

03:00:33.120 --> 03:00:35.896
Thank you. Councelor Pearce would any um

03:00:35.920 --> 03:00:38.920
Lockwood

03:00:39.200 --> 03:00:42.056
I know. I think I think we're going to

03:00:42.080 --> 03:00:43.576
have to move an extension of time in

03:00:43.600 --> 03:00:46.600
about 8 minutes. So, um would any other

03:00:46.720 --> 03:00:49.720
counselor like to speak to the motion?

03:00:50.000 --> 03:00:51.656
Thank you. Okay. I'll now put the

03:00:51.680 --> 03:00:54.536
motion. All those in favor? Motion is

03:00:54.560 --> 03:00:56.375
carried.

03:00:56.399 --> 03:00:59.399
Okay.

03:00:59.680 --> 03:01:02.295
Yep. Okay. So, now we're going to have

03:01:02.319 --> 03:01:04.455
all the counselors back into the room.

03:01:04.479 --> 03:01:07.415
Um and we are able to move the final

03:01:07.439 --> 03:01:10.295
motion which is coming up onto the

03:01:10.319 --> 03:01:12.536
screen now. And that motion is that

03:01:12.560 --> 03:01:15.560
council resolve to approve the remaining

03:01:15.840 --> 03:01:17.576
community development fund assessment

03:01:17.600 --> 03:01:20.600
panel's recommendation full partial and

03:01:20.640 --> 03:01:23.016
not recommended applications for the

03:01:23.040 --> 03:01:26.040
2025 to 2026 round. Would a counselor

03:01:26.640 --> 03:01:28.375
like to move the motion as shown on the

03:01:28.399 --> 03:01:30.856
screen?

03:01:30.880 --> 03:01:33.880
Thank you Megan. Sorry. and a seconder.

03:01:35.200 --> 03:01:38.200
Thank you, councelor Pearce. Councelor

03:01:38.880 --> 03:01:40.375
Baker, would you like to speak to the

03:01:40.399 --> 03:01:43.399
motion? Three Mayor Cooper. Um

03:01:44.240 --> 03:01:46.936
 this is a a grant process that is

03:01:46.960 --> 03:01:49.096
obviously a yearly one. Um but one I

03:01:49.120 --> 03:01:51.496
certainly look forward to um and the

03:01:51.520 --> 03:01:54.136
diverse um applications that do come

03:01:54.160 --> 03:01:56.455
through for our consideration. Um I

03:01:56.479 --> 03:01:58.216
would also like to note that the panel

03:01:58.240 --> 03:02:00.056
for their time they've spent a

03:02:00.080 --> 03:02:02.455
considerable um considerable amount of

03:02:02.479 --> 03:02:04.856
time time um reading through these with

03:02:04.880 --> 03:02:07.415
officers um going through the the

03:02:07.439 --> 03:02:10.439
checklist um and putting forth the the

03:02:10.880 --> 03:02:12.536
recommendations for tonight. So thank

03:02:12.560 --> 03:02:15.016
you to all those involved. Um there's

03:02:15.040 --> 03:02:17.016
been an increase this year of

03:02:17.040 --> 03:02:20.040
applications of people seeking funds. um

03:02:20.319 --> 03:02:22.696
I think it was in the 70 and it's gone

03:02:22.720 --> 03:02:24.776
72 applications received in the previous

03:02:24.800 --> 03:02:27.496
year um and this year we received 100

03:02:27.520 --> 03:02:30.520
applications um of which 82 of them were

03:02:30.720 --> 03:02:32.295
um eligible to proceed through to the

03:02:32.319 --> 03:02:35.319
panel  assessment um and as we've

03:02:35.680 --> 03:02:37.816
already seen um you know there's been

03:02:37.840 --> 03:02:40.136
quite an array of  variety as I

03:02:40.160 --> 03:02:43.160
mentioned um and um it's really pleasing

03:02:44.000 --> 03:02:45.816
to see that these funds are going to

03:02:45.840 --> 03:02:47.896
support different aspects in our

03:02:47.920 --> 03:02:50.856
community um you know, Foothills

03:02:50.880 --> 03:02:53.096
Community Care um with their outreach

03:02:53.120 --> 03:02:56.120
support project um has require or has

03:02:56.160 --> 03:02:58.696
sought funds um to help the our

03:02:58.720 --> 03:03:00.936
vulnerable people in our community. Um

03:03:00.960 --> 03:03:02.776
we've also got the KKnox Historical

03:03:02.800 --> 03:03:05.800
Society um who have applied for funding

03:03:06.080 --> 03:03:08.616
to help digitize 6,000 of the historic

03:03:08.640 --> 03:03:10.936
Knox newspapers

03:03:10.960 --> 03:03:13.176
to preserve heritage, enhance research

03:03:13.200 --> 03:03:15.576
access, support investigations, and

03:03:15.600 --> 03:03:17.016
strengthen community connection with

03:03:17.040 --> 03:03:20.040
local history. Um we've got Knox

03:03:20.640 --> 03:03:23.640
Environmental Society um who have an

03:03:23.840 --> 03:03:26.216
application as well um and various

03:03:26.240 --> 03:03:28.616
sporting clubs. So I'm really pleased

03:03:28.640 --> 03:03:31.640
with the array um and variety and I'll

03:03:32.880 --> 03:03:34.696
be supporting the  the recommendations

03:03:34.720 --> 03:03:37.720
for those um that have been outlined. I

03:03:38.720 --> 03:03:40.536
did have one question before I finalize

03:03:40.560 --> 03:03:42.696
if I could possibly answer it. I just

03:03:42.720 --> 03:03:44.776
wanted to seek clarity through you may

03:03:44.800 --> 03:03:47.016
cooperate about under the fern trees

03:03:47.040 --> 03:03:49.816
market. I did raise a question with this

03:03:49.840 --> 03:03:52.776
today with  Director Chalkley and I

03:03:52.800 --> 03:03:54.455
just wondering if we had any updates on

03:03:54.479 --> 03:03:57.096
that please. Thank you. I'll direct that

03:03:57.120 --> 03:03:58.936
question to Director Chalkley. Thank

03:03:58.960 --> 03:03:59.976
you.

03:04:00.000 --> 03:04:01.816
Thank you, Madame May. No, we have

03:04:01.840 --> 03:04:03.896
reached out but we haven't heard yet. Um

03:04:03.920 --> 03:04:06.375
but like I indicated if they are no

03:04:06.399 --> 03:04:07.896
longer progressing or they're not going

03:04:07.920 --> 03:04:10.136
to run it then um we wouldn't be handing

03:04:10.160 --> 03:04:12.936
over the funds at that time.

03:04:12.960 --> 03:04:14.776
Thank you. Is it possible to receive an

03:04:14.800 --> 03:04:17.800
update  once it is? Thank you. Um and

03:04:18.720 --> 03:04:21.415
apart from that, I'm all um um satisfied

03:04:21.439 --> 03:04:22.776
with the applications and very

03:04:22.800 --> 03:04:24.136
supportive. Thank you.

03:04:24.160 --> 03:04:26.295
Excellent. Thank you, Councelor Baker.

03:04:26.319 --> 03:04:29.319
Councelor Pearce,

03:04:29.359 --> 03:04:30.616
you seconded the motion.

03:04:30.640 --> 03:04:32.216
That's right. I did. I reserved my

03:04:32.240 --> 03:04:33.335
right, Madam May. Sorry.

03:04:33.359 --> 03:04:35.335
Thank you. Okay. Would any other

03:04:35.359 --> 03:04:38.359
counselor like to speak to the motion?

03:04:39.200 --> 03:04:42.200
No. Thank you, councelor. Yes.

03:04:43.439 --> 03:04:46.136
 thank you, Mayor. Um, and I too

03:04:46.160 --> 03:04:47.576
would pass on my thanks and

03:04:47.600 --> 03:04:49.016
acknowledgement to the panel for their

03:04:49.040 --> 03:04:51.576
great work. It's It's not easy. Um, I

03:04:51.600 --> 03:04:54.056
would I would and I'm I'm a little

03:04:54.080 --> 03:04:56.216
hesitant to pick one out of the list of

03:04:56.240 --> 03:04:57.816
applications not recommended for

03:04:57.840 --> 03:05:00.216
funding, but it was it was  it was a

03:05:00.240 --> 03:05:01.896
shame to see the slams music theater

03:05:01.920 --> 03:05:04.920
company miss out on on on funding um all

03:05:05.200 --> 03:05:07.096
funding. It it received no funding at

03:05:07.120 --> 03:05:10.056
all for putting on  Knox Stagecape

03:05:10.080 --> 03:05:12.616
2026. So, this was a really popular

03:05:12.640 --> 03:05:15.255
multi-day festival um that went gang

03:05:15.279 --> 03:05:17.335
busters this year that showcased local

03:05:17.359 --> 03:05:20.359
performances and and artists um through

03:05:20.399 --> 03:05:23.255
a range of um shows and a and a and a

03:05:23.279 --> 03:05:25.656
gala.  this year,  the panel decided

03:05:25.680 --> 03:05:27.016
that the application had limited

03:05:27.040 --> 03:05:28.776
planning, detail, and unclear on impact

03:05:28.800 --> 03:05:31.736
to KKnox. And I mean, I support the

03:05:31.760 --> 03:05:34.295
$5,000 French horn for the KKnox Wind

03:05:34.319 --> 03:05:36.696
Symphony, but I do struggle a little bit

03:05:36.720 --> 03:05:39.720
that an event that went gang busters um

03:05:39.920 --> 03:05:42.375
this year won't be returning next year

03:05:42.399 --> 03:05:45.176
um because of a a limited  detail and

03:05:45.200 --> 03:05:46.936
unclear impact on Knox. So hopefully

03:05:46.960 --> 03:05:48.616
there are some alternate pathways for

03:05:48.640 --> 03:05:51.640
slams  to pursue in trying to get 

03:05:51.760 --> 03:05:54.056
stagecape up in some way, shape or form

03:05:54.080 --> 03:05:56.136
for next year. So, but other than that,

03:05:56.160 --> 03:05:57.736
yeah, commend the organizations that

03:05:57.760 --> 03:05:59.736
have been supported for funding. And for

03:05:59.760 --> 03:06:01.016
those that have missed out, encourage

03:06:01.040 --> 03:06:03.415
them to try again, seek the feedback,

03:06:03.439 --> 03:06:05.016
seek maybe some more information that

03:06:05.040 --> 03:06:07.576
we've got in in in in some of the papers

03:06:07.600 --> 03:06:09.816
tonight, get the clarity on that and and

03:06:09.840 --> 03:06:12.455
recalibrate and go again for next year.

03:06:12.479 --> 03:06:15.255
Absolutely. Thank you, councelor. Would

03:06:15.279 --> 03:06:17.176
any other councelor like to speak to the

03:06:17.200 --> 03:06:19.816
motion? Councelor Lockwood.

03:06:19.840 --> 03:06:21.976
Yes. Thank you. and cancer apples

03:06:22.000 --> 03:06:24.375
reminded me stagecape really deserved

03:06:24.399 --> 03:06:27.399
funding I thought um they benefit a lot

03:06:27.680 --> 03:06:29.656
of people in Knox and it it did go really

03:06:29.680 --> 03:06:32.680
well and I'm I'm puzzled as to why um

03:06:32.720 --> 03:06:34.455
the information wasn't there and why we

03:06:34.479 --> 03:06:37.255
didn't ask them um last year it went so

03:06:37.279 --> 03:06:38.696
well how come we haven't provided the

03:06:38.720 --> 03:06:41.576
information this year I I am puzzled at

03:06:41.600 --> 03:06:43.816
that um and I do hope they can come up

03:06:43.840 --> 03:06:45.096
with an alternative because they're

03:06:45.120 --> 03:06:48.120
really they really do do great work and

03:06:48.160 --> 03:06:50.616
 for our for our um community. They

03:06:50.640 --> 03:06:52.455
even they even performed for us at the

03:06:52.479 --> 03:06:54.455
committee meeting um the arts and

03:06:54.479 --> 03:06:56.136
culture committee. So they're a they're

03:06:56.160 --> 03:06:58.616
a really good group um struggling at the

03:06:58.640 --> 03:07:01.640
moment um financially. So this could um

03:07:01.920 --> 03:07:04.920
this could really hurt them. Yeah.

03:07:05.359 --> 03:07:07.496
Thank you. Councelor Lockwood, would any

03:07:07.520 --> 03:07:09.976
other counselor like to speak to the

03:07:10.000 --> 03:07:13.000
motion?

03:07:13.840 --> 03:07:16.696
No. Councelor Baker, would you like to

03:07:16.720 --> 03:07:18.856
exercise your right of reply? No. I'll

03:07:18.880 --> 03:07:21.880
now put the motion. All those in favor?

03:07:23.920 --> 03:07:26.696
Motion. All those against

03:07:26.720 --> 03:07:29.016
motion is carried.

03:07:29.040 --> 03:07:30.936
Okay. Councils, before we move to the

03:07:30.960 --> 03:07:32.936
next motion, um would someone like to

03:07:32.960 --> 03:07:35.496
move a motion that we extend the council

03:07:35.520 --> 03:07:38.056
meeting from 10:30 to 11:00 p.m. It's

03:07:38.080 --> 03:07:40.776
moved by councelor Baker, seconded by

03:07:40.800 --> 03:07:43.800
councelor Pearce. All those in favor? Do

03:07:44.640 --> 03:07:47.640
you want to speak to this one, Peter?

03:07:49.359 --> 03:07:52.359
Okay.

03:07:52.560 --> 03:07:54.616
Um, thank you. So, we have extended that

03:07:54.640 --> 03:07:57.640
till 11 p.m. Um, item 8.8, contract

03:07:58.640 --> 03:08:01.640
3444, the recycling processing contract.

03:08:02.880 --> 03:08:04.936
Before I call for a mover, I'd just like

03:08:04.960 --> 03:08:07.816
to remind councilors that we may need to

03:08:07.840 --> 03:08:09.656
close the meeting if there are detailed

03:08:09.680 --> 03:08:11.896
questions or debate about matters that

03:08:11.920 --> 03:08:13.656
are set out in the confidential

03:08:13.680 --> 03:08:16.375
attachment. So in knowing that

03:08:16.399 --> 03:08:18.455
councilors would you like to move a

03:08:18.479 --> 03:08:21.479
motion

03:08:23.200 --> 03:08:26.200
councelor Pearce thank you is moving

03:08:26.960 --> 03:08:29.896
second councelor Baker

03:08:29.920 --> 03:08:31.656
councel Pearce would you like to speak

03:08:31.680 --> 03:08:34.680
to the motion

03:08:35.520 --> 03:08:38.295
thank you madame may as you're all aware

03:08:38.319 --> 03:08:40.776
that I'm have a very keen interest in

03:08:40.800 --> 03:08:43.800
our curbside recycling processing

03:08:44.080 --> 03:08:47.080
And um I find it interesting that we are

03:08:48.720 --> 03:08:51.656
awarding a contract considering that we

03:08:51.680 --> 03:08:54.136
are still

03:08:54.160 --> 03:08:57.160
deciding well it's still out for survey

03:08:59.040 --> 03:09:01.496
on about whether we change back to

03:09:01.520 --> 03:09:04.056
weekly or whether we don't consider it

03:09:04.080 --> 03:09:07.080
based on survey results. Um so I was a

03:09:08.000 --> 03:09:11.000
bit surprised at that reading that um

03:09:11.760 --> 03:09:14.136
but waste is one of our basic services.

03:09:14.160 --> 03:09:16.856
It's what we're required to do and is

03:09:16.880 --> 03:09:18.856
what people pay our rates for. So it's

03:09:18.880 --> 03:09:21.255
vitally important and to award the right

03:09:21.279 --> 03:09:24.279
contract with the right people is what

03:09:24.479 --> 03:09:26.375
we should be doing and having our due

03:09:26.399 --> 03:09:29.399
diligence with. So I recommend the um

03:09:30.319 --> 03:09:33.255
report as it's noted.

03:09:33.279 --> 03:09:36.279
Thank you councelor Pearce. Yeah, I

03:09:36.560 --> 03:09:37.896
would I would be looking for some

03:09:37.920 --> 03:09:40.136
clarification, please.

03:09:40.160 --> 03:09:42.056
Mayor, just to clarify for councilors,

03:09:42.080 --> 03:09:44.056
the um this contract is for the

03:09:44.080 --> 03:09:46.375
recycling, sorry, for the processing of

03:09:46.399 --> 03:09:49.399
the recycling. Um the survey and the

03:09:49.840 --> 03:09:52.375
consideration I think um council pers to

03:09:52.399 --> 03:09:54.056
is rel to the general garbage, the

03:09:54.080 --> 03:09:56.616
general waste collection. Um so this is

03:09:56.640 --> 03:09:58.616
relating specifically to the processing

03:09:58.640 --> 03:10:00.375
of um that that's included in the

03:10:00.399 --> 03:10:03.399
recycling bin which is um  collected

03:10:04.080 --> 03:10:06.696
and by our contractor but taken to a

03:10:06.720 --> 03:10:09.720
processor to be sorted and and recycled.

03:10:11.439 --> 03:10:14.439
Thank you councelor Baker.

03:10:14.720 --> 03:10:17.720
 thank you for the for the report and

03:10:18.399 --> 03:10:21.255
the clarification. Um I'm happy to

03:10:21.279 --> 03:10:24.279
support this. The contract the 

03:10:24.720 --> 03:10:26.696
expires on the 30th of this month 

03:10:26.720 --> 03:10:27.976
next month, sorry. So we're coming close

03:10:28.000 --> 03:10:31.000
to next month. Um so have to have this

03:10:31.200 --> 03:10:32.936
obviously enacted in order to continue

03:10:32.960 --> 03:10:35.960
or to have their recycling processed. Um

03:10:36.160 --> 03:10:38.455
so happy to support this office's

03:10:38.479 --> 03:10:40.455
recommendation. Thank you. Thank you

03:10:40.479 --> 03:10:41.896
councelor Baker. Would any other

03:10:41.920 --> 03:10:44.920
counselor like to speak to the motion?

03:10:46.479 --> 03:10:49.335
No.

03:10:49.359 --> 03:10:50.856
Okay, there being no opposition. I'll

03:10:50.880 --> 03:10:53.335
put the motion. All those in favor.

03:10:53.359 --> 03:10:56.359
Thank you. The motion is carried.

03:10:56.560 --> 03:10:59.560
We're moving on to nine item 8.9

03:11:00.800 --> 03:11:03.800
city council 2024 to 25 annual report.

03:11:04.720 --> 03:11:06.936
Before I call for a motion for this

03:11:06.960 --> 03:11:08.776
item, as Mayor, I would just like to say

03:11:08.800 --> 03:11:10.776
a few words in relation to the annual

03:11:10.800 --> 03:11:13.656
report. So, our KKnox community has much

03:11:13.680 --> 03:11:16.680
to be proud of as we review what has

03:11:16.720 --> 03:11:19.656
been achieved in the 2024 and 2025

03:11:19.680 --> 03:11:22.295
financial year where we work together to

03:11:22.319 --> 03:11:25.016
deliver the annual budget and the final

03:11:25.040 --> 03:11:28.040
year of our council plan from 21 to 25

03:11:29.279 --> 03:11:31.496
which incorporated the municipal public

03:11:31.520 --> 03:11:34.295
health and well-being plan. Our annual

03:11:34.319 --> 03:11:36.616
report provides an overview of the

03:11:36.640 --> 03:11:39.640
achievements from the 2024 to 2025 year.

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And I'd like to share some of the

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highlights from the report. In 2024 to

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25, we continued to put our customers at

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the center of everything we do. We

03:11:51.120 --> 03:11:54.056
engaged over,00 community members to

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reaffirm our 10-year community vision

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and worked closely with a rep with a

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representative community panel to

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develop the new council and health and

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well-being plan 25 to 29. In October 24

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um so October 24 sorry marked the

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election of our new council. Councilors

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have begun working together using

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community insights to guide the

03:12:18.880 --> 03:12:21.415
strategic direction and decisions

03:12:21.439 --> 03:12:24.439
including the 2526 annual budget. We

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continued implementing actions under our

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customer um strategy to enhance service

03:12:31.520 --> 03:12:34.375
delivery. We improved online forums,

03:12:34.399 --> 03:12:36.936
updating complaints, procedures, and

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built staff cap um staff cap capability.

03:12:40.640 --> 03:12:42.616
Satisfaction with council's overall

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performance has been um retained at a

03:12:45.920 --> 03:12:48.136
very good level. KKnox residents

03:12:48.160 --> 03:12:51.160
maintained a strong 71% waste diversion

03:12:51.520 --> 03:12:53.896
rate, placing us among the leading

03:12:53.920 --> 03:12:56.696
councils in reducing landfill. We

03:12:56.720 --> 03:12:58.776
installed an electric vehicle charging

03:12:58.800 --> 03:13:01.576
station at Studfield, completed the

03:13:01.600 --> 03:13:03.976
major road street light emmitting diode

03:13:04.000 --> 03:13:07.000
or LED program, and added solar and

03:13:07.200 --> 03:13:09.576
battery systems to four community

03:13:09.600 --> 03:13:12.056
facilities. We also promoted the

03:13:12.080 --> 03:13:14.216
business energy star saver program to

03:13:14.240 --> 03:13:16.295
the small and medium-sized businesses in

03:13:16.319 --> 03:13:17.816
KKnox.

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In response to cost of living pressures,

03:13:20.160 --> 03:13:23.160
we've provided funding to KKnox Infolink,

03:13:23.279 --> 03:13:26.056
Fernry Galley Village Pantry, and Ben's

03:13:26.080 --> 03:13:29.080
Place Food Pantry. In collaboration with

03:13:29.520 --> 03:13:32.520
partners, 67 residents were supported in

03:13:33.200 --> 03:13:35.255
submitting housing applications and

03:13:35.279 --> 03:13:38.279
affordable housing targets at Boral and

03:13:38.640 --> 03:13:41.640
Noval Quarry. Um were were amended and

03:13:42.640 --> 03:13:45.640
are in process of being amended to 10%

03:13:46.399 --> 03:13:49.399
which is double the previous target. We

03:13:49.680 --> 03:13:52.680
delivered um age awareness presentations

03:13:53.520 --> 03:13:55.656
um and intergenerational programs

03:13:55.680 --> 03:13:57.736
connecting age care residents with

03:13:57.760 --> 03:14:00.536
kindergarten students. Um that's a

03:14:00.560 --> 03:14:02.856
favorite one for me actually cuz I my

03:14:02.880 --> 03:14:04.455
son was part of that when it first

03:14:04.479 --> 03:14:07.335
started years ago. um to support

03:14:07.359 --> 03:14:09.976
residents living with dementia. The

03:14:10.000 --> 03:14:13.000
Haven Rewire Choir launched in Bonia and

03:14:13.520 --> 03:14:15.656
a sensory garden was developed in

03:14:15.680 --> 03:14:18.680
partnership with Knox Community Gardens.

03:14:19.040 --> 03:14:21.656
Um council continues to be committed to

03:14:21.680 --> 03:14:24.680
the re recognition sorry and respect of

03:14:25.840 --> 03:14:28.056
our First Nations community on whose

03:14:28.080 --> 03:14:29.896
land we live and work. and we

03:14:29.920 --> 03:14:31.896
facilitated cultural competency

03:14:31.920 --> 03:14:34.920
competency training um supported first

03:14:35.040 --> 03:14:37.976
nations businesses and collaborated on

03:14:38.000 --> 03:14:41.000
cultural burns and site management. Over

03:14:42.000 --> 03:14:44.776
200 people including stolen generation

03:14:44.800 --> 03:14:47.800
families and members of the first

03:14:47.840 --> 03:14:50.840
nations people assembly attended the

03:14:50.960 --> 03:14:53.016
sorry day ceremony which was held here

03:14:53.040 --> 03:14:56.040
at the KKnox civic center. The new Noox

03:14:56.399 --> 03:14:59.399
Library um Naragu thank you has been a

03:15:02.080 --> 03:15:04.136
great success across the municipality.

03:15:04.160 --> 03:15:07.160
We have seen an 8% rise in membership

03:15:07.600 --> 03:15:10.600
and a jump of nearly 14,000 new members

03:15:11.279 --> 03:15:14.279
which is that's phenomenal. Um upgrades

03:15:14.399 --> 03:15:17.176
at KKnox Regional Netball Center, Roal

03:15:17.200 --> 03:15:20.200
Community Center and um KKnoxville Tennis

03:15:21.359 --> 03:15:23.976
Club support multi-port venues and

03:15:24.000 --> 03:15:27.000
participation in sport. And despite cost

03:15:27.120 --> 03:15:29.016
pressures and rate capping, council

03:15:29.040 --> 03:15:31.335
achieved operational savings and

03:15:31.359 --> 03:15:33.656
continued to prioritize

03:15:33.680 --> 03:15:36.680
um spend based on community values. Um

03:15:37.760 --> 03:15:40.760
despite um no sorry the 2024 to 2025

03:15:43.279 --> 03:15:45.415
year reflects um I think our shared

03:15:45.439 --> 03:15:48.215
commitment as a council to a thriving

03:15:48.239 --> 03:15:51.239
and inclusive and sustainable Knox. I'd

03:15:51.359 --> 03:15:53.016
like to thank our community for their

03:15:53.040 --> 03:15:55.896
participation, our staff and our

03:15:55.920 --> 03:15:58.375
partners for all of the continued

03:15:58.399 --> 03:16:00.295
support and collaboration working on

03:16:00.319 --> 03:16:02.136
this over the past 12 months and of

03:16:02.160 --> 03:16:05.096
course counselors. Um so now I'll move

03:16:05.120 --> 03:16:07.896
this item from the chair and as as

03:16:07.920 --> 03:16:10.375
recommended in the report. Do we have a

03:16:10.399 --> 03:16:13.399
seconder um for the item? Thank you um

03:16:13.920 --> 03:16:16.920
councelor Atwell.

03:16:20.000 --> 03:16:22.136
Okay. Um I feel like I've already said

03:16:22.160 --> 03:16:25.160
heaps, but I will just say um thank you

03:16:25.279 --> 03:16:27.335
once again to all of the staff and to

03:16:27.359 --> 03:16:29.576
counselors. Um there has been a lot of

03:16:29.600 --> 03:16:32.600
time I'm sure you can all attest um 

03:16:32.720 --> 03:16:35.576
into the development of this and um even

03:16:35.600 --> 03:16:38.375
as a new council coming on board um

03:16:38.399 --> 03:16:41.255
you've participated in a lot of after

03:16:41.279 --> 03:16:43.016
hours activity that has brought us to

03:16:43.040 --> 03:16:45.656
this point and you can see um the amount

03:16:45.680 --> 03:16:48.056
of time that staff have put in and also

03:16:48.080 --> 03:16:50.455
the um community engagement that we've

03:16:50.479 --> 03:16:53.479
we've had um which has been actually

03:16:53.600 --> 03:16:56.536
quite outstanding. So, um, please pass

03:16:56.560 --> 03:16:58.295
on to everyone within the organization

03:16:58.319 --> 03:17:01.319
our thanks. Um, councelor Atwell, did

03:17:01.520 --> 03:17:03.415
you want to say anything in addition?

03:17:03.439 --> 03:17:05.736
 thank you, Mayor.  no, not much

03:17:05.760 --> 03:17:07.415
to not much to add, but I'll take the

03:17:07.439 --> 03:17:09.816
opportunity to pass on  my thanks 

03:17:09.840 --> 03:17:11.496
to the organization. I mean, the annual

03:17:11.520 --> 03:17:13.896
report is a a statutory requirement, but

03:17:13.920 --> 03:17:16.920
it's a key key  document in terms of

03:17:17.200 --> 03:17:19.816
accountability to the community. Um and

03:17:19.840 --> 03:17:22.840
it's it's it you know  it's a it's a

03:17:23.279 --> 03:17:24.936
storytelling document. It tells the

03:17:24.960 --> 03:17:27.335
wonderful  stories and it's 

03:17:27.359 --> 03:17:30.359
encouraging and um and energizing to to

03:17:31.120 --> 03:17:33.096
visit some of the the narrative and

03:17:33.120 --> 03:17:34.856
stories that  that are sort of

03:17:34.880 --> 03:17:36.536
sprinkled throughout and read some of

03:17:36.560 --> 03:17:38.536
those key facts and figures and reminds

03:17:38.560 --> 03:17:40.856
me that this this council um while it

03:17:40.880 --> 03:17:42.856
feels like we're jumping from week to

03:17:42.880 --> 03:17:44.696
week um you know our fingerprints and

03:17:44.720 --> 03:17:47.016
and the direction we're setting is is is

03:17:47.040 --> 03:17:48.536
part of the journey that's reflected in

03:17:48.560 --> 03:17:51.560
this document for 2425 and um you know

03:17:52.319 --> 03:17:54.375
when I look at the numbers and  the

03:17:54.399 --> 03:17:55.496
direction, you know, there are things

03:17:55.520 --> 03:17:57.176
that we want to keep improving and keep

03:17:57.200 --> 03:17:59.096
getting better at, but I think um we

03:17:59.120 --> 03:18:01.176
shouldn't discount um we shouldn't

03:18:01.200 --> 03:18:02.455
discount the progress we've made

03:18:02.479 --> 03:18:04.215
already. And um when I think about some

03:18:04.239 --> 03:18:06.215
of the challenges as I read through this

03:18:06.239 --> 03:18:08.455
that sit ahead,  some of those are as

03:18:08.479 --> 03:18:11.176
a consequence of the progress and and um

03:18:11.200 --> 03:18:14.200
and and and progress and process um 

03:18:14.640 --> 03:18:16.776
focus that we have have had over the

03:18:16.800 --> 03:18:19.656
last  almost one year. So um we know

03:18:19.680 --> 03:18:21.576
there's much more to come. Um but yeah,

03:18:21.600 --> 03:18:24.536
I'm really really energized by reading

03:18:24.560 --> 03:18:27.560
um in story form um how this  council

03:18:28.640 --> 03:18:31.335
continues to  do its best for our

03:18:31.359 --> 03:18:33.976
community day in day out. Continues to

03:18:34.000 --> 03:18:35.896
 offer the best services we can, build

03:18:35.920 --> 03:18:37.656
the best buildings and run the best

03:18:37.680 --> 03:18:40.056
capital works program we can. That's a

03:18:40.080 --> 03:18:42.696
focus that  I I share I think with

03:18:42.720 --> 03:18:44.056
most of my colleagues, all of my

03:18:44.080 --> 03:18:46.776
colleagues and um  I wish more people

03:18:46.800 --> 03:18:49.415
would read annual reports. Um  maybe

03:18:49.439 --> 03:18:50.776
we could change their name if we were

03:18:50.800 --> 03:18:52.696
allowed to, but um the name's not overly

03:18:52.720 --> 03:18:54.375
enticing, but I would encourage the

03:18:54.399 --> 03:18:56.696
community to engage with it. It's a 

03:18:56.720 --> 03:18:58.295
you know, in a few pages you can get a

03:18:58.319 --> 03:19:00.936
real snapshot of, um of the focus of of

03:19:00.960 --> 03:19:03.960
of council laws and this council and um

03:19:04.160 --> 03:19:06.936
yes, look forward to um  the next one

03:19:06.960 --> 03:19:08.295
and the next one and the next one. Thank

03:19:08.319 --> 03:19:09.576
you, Mayor.

03:19:09.600 --> 03:19:11.255
Thank you, Council Abel. Would any other

03:19:11.279 --> 03:19:14.279
councelor like to speak to the motion?

03:19:14.479 --> 03:19:17.096
Thank you, Councelor Pearce.

03:19:17.120 --> 03:19:19.896
Madame Mayor, I'd like to um highlight

03:19:19.920 --> 03:19:21.816
the following.

03:19:21.840 --> 03:19:24.840
The audit report on page 483

03:19:25.120 --> 03:19:27.496
indicates that councilors of the council

03:19:27.520 --> 03:19:29.976
are responsible for the preparation fair

03:19:30.000 --> 03:19:32.295
presentation of the financial report in

03:19:32.319 --> 03:19:34.295
accordance with the Australian counting

03:19:34.319 --> 03:19:37.319
standards, the local government act and

03:19:37.359 --> 03:19:39.255
the local government planning and

03:19:39.279 --> 03:19:42.136
reporting regulations and for such

03:19:42.160 --> 03:19:45.160
internal controls as the councilors

03:19:45.520 --> 03:19:48.136
determine are necessary to enable the

03:19:48.160 --> 03:19:51.016
preparation and the fair presentation of

03:19:51.040 --> 03:19:53.016
the financial report that is free of

03:19:53.040 --> 03:19:55.656
misstatement whether due to fraud or

03:19:55.680 --> 03:19:58.680
error. In preparation of the financial

03:19:58.800 --> 03:20:01.176
report, the councilors are responsible

03:20:01.200 --> 03:20:03.656
for assessing the council's ability to

03:20:03.680 --> 03:20:06.680
continue as a going concern.

03:20:08.720 --> 03:20:11.335
Disclosing as applicable matters related

03:20:11.359 --> 03:20:13.816
to a going concern and using going

03:20:13.840 --> 03:20:16.136
concern basis of accounting unless

03:20:16.160 --> 03:20:19.160
inappropriate to do so. The financial

03:20:19.200 --> 03:20:21.255
statements and the associated internal

03:20:21.279 --> 03:20:24.279
controls are our responsibility

03:20:24.560 --> 03:20:27.560
as councilors and as accordingly we need

03:20:27.760 --> 03:20:29.176
to be thoroughly aware with the

03:20:29.200 --> 03:20:32.200
implications of the above requirements

03:20:32.640 --> 03:20:34.295
based on the results of the financial

03:20:34.319 --> 03:20:35.896
statements for the year ended 30th of

03:20:35.920 --> 03:20:38.856
June 2025. I would like to highlight the

03:20:38.880 --> 03:20:41.176
following. There was an increase in the

03:20:41.200 --> 03:20:44.200
surplus from by 7.25 25 million in the

03:20:45.359 --> 03:20:47.896
financial year ended 30th of June 24 to

03:20:47.920 --> 03:20:49.496
12.239

03:20:49.520 --> 03:20:52.520
million but it was down on budget by

03:20:52.960 --> 03:20:55.960
7.392 million. This is before any

03:20:56.399 --> 03:20:58.375
accounting adjustments for revaluation

03:20:58.399 --> 03:21:01.399
of assets have been made. The major

03:21:01.520 --> 03:21:04.136
income sources rates which are slightly

03:21:04.160 --> 03:21:07.160
up against budget in 2024 figures.

03:21:08.080 --> 03:21:11.080
The expenses are down on budget by 6.4

03:21:12.160 --> 03:21:15.160
426 million but are up on 2024.

03:21:16.720 --> 03:21:19.496
The major expenses are employee costs of

03:21:19.520 --> 03:21:22.136
80.664

03:21:22.160 --> 03:21:25.160
million. Their material and services at

03:21:25.760 --> 03:21:28.136
76.414

03:21:28.160 --> 03:21:31.016
million. The capital works expenditure

03:21:31.040 --> 03:21:33.496
of 49.793

03:21:33.520 --> 03:21:36.520
million of which 35.102 102 million is

03:21:38.479 --> 03:21:41.479
for renewal, not new expenses, renewal.

03:21:43.520 --> 03:21:45.976
A fraction of the remaining expenditures

03:21:46.000 --> 03:21:49.000
relates to new asset expenditure.

03:21:49.600 --> 03:21:51.415
The reserves list in the financial

03:21:51.439 --> 03:21:54.439
statements of 1  1787.221

03:21:56.080 --> 03:21:59.080
million of which 1.5616301

03:22:01.680 --> 03:22:04.680
million relates to asset reevaluation

03:22:04.720 --> 03:22:06.616
reserve.

03:22:06.640 --> 03:22:09.096
which is an accounting entry

03:22:09.120 --> 03:22:11.415
which indicates an unrealized increase

03:22:11.439 --> 03:22:14.136
in the council's assets. The remaining

03:22:14.160 --> 03:22:17.016
reserves of 4.259

03:22:17.040 --> 03:22:19.736
million is a restricted reserves

03:22:19.760 --> 03:22:20.856
which are cash back.

03:22:20.880 --> 03:22:22.536
You're out of time.

03:22:22.560 --> 03:22:24.056
Can I have an extension? I'm almost

03:22:24.080 --> 03:22:25.656
finished.

03:22:25.680 --> 03:22:28.056
Moved by councelor Lockwood and seconded

03:22:28.080 --> 03:22:30.136
by councelor Williams. All those in

03:22:30.160 --> 03:22:32.696
favor?

03:22:32.720 --> 03:22:35.576
That's carried. We have an additional 2

03:22:35.600 --> 03:22:37.656
minutes. I'll only need about 30

03:22:37.680 --> 03:22:40.680
seconds. The remaining 13.667

03:22:41.840 --> 03:22:44.840
million are non-restricted non-cashback

03:22:45.680 --> 03:22:48.680
reserves. These reserves include social

03:22:48.720 --> 03:22:51.496
housing reserve and the library reserve.

03:22:51.520 --> 03:22:53.656
These amount these figures can be found

03:22:53.680 --> 03:22:55.415
in the council performance statements

03:22:55.439 --> 03:22:58.439
for 2024 and 25. As we start the budget

03:22:59.520 --> 03:23:02.520
process for the new new year, I just

03:23:02.880 --> 03:23:05.496
like to bring everyone's attention to

03:23:05.520 --> 03:23:08.375
the information in the audit report.

03:23:08.399 --> 03:23:10.136
While not everybody reads the audit

03:23:10.160 --> 03:23:13.160
report, I know I do as an auditor and

03:23:13.600 --> 03:23:16.215
it's very sobering reading of that

03:23:16.239 --> 03:23:19.239
section of what our responsibilities are

03:23:19.439 --> 03:23:21.656
and we need to take them seriously.

03:23:21.680 --> 03:23:23.656
Thank you.

03:23:23.680 --> 03:23:25.496
Thank you, Councelor Pearce. Would any

03:23:25.520 --> 03:23:28.375
Yeah. Thank you, Councelor Lockwood.

03:23:28.399 --> 03:23:30.536
Um perhaps we call it the Knox bragging

03:23:30.560 --> 03:23:33.255
book rather than the annual report. It's

03:23:33.279 --> 03:23:35.415
um bit to brag about. Look, I have some

03:23:35.439 --> 03:23:37.016
questions.

03:23:37.040 --> 03:23:40.040
Um I know in the organizational changes

03:23:40.399 --> 03:23:43.176
you got listed in here. Um business

03:23:43.200 --> 03:23:46.200
support team went a court underwent a

03:23:46.239 --> 03:23:49.239
realignment um to it to improve things.

03:23:49.680 --> 03:23:52.056
What exactly does that mean? I guess I'm

03:23:52.080 --> 03:23:55.080
asking the CEO this

03:24:00.160 --> 03:24:01.656
um through your Mayor. It just means

03:24:01.680 --> 03:24:03.415
there were some internal changes to the

03:24:03.439 --> 03:24:05.656
structure within the team, some role

03:24:05.680 --> 03:24:08.680
changes um to  aid better service

03:24:09.359 --> 03:24:11.496
delivery and output for the community's

03:24:11.520 --> 03:24:13.736
benefit.

03:24:13.760 --> 03:24:15.496
Sorry, could you expand on that? What

03:24:15.520 --> 03:24:18.295
what do you mean role changes and are we

03:24:18.319 --> 03:24:20.936
changing people's banding levels or

03:24:20.960 --> 03:24:23.960
reducing numbers increasing numbers?

03:24:25.040 --> 03:24:27.576
 it could be a mix of those things. I

03:24:27.600 --> 03:24:30.136
I don't have the detail of the specific

03:24:30.160 --> 03:24:32.536
one here me with me now, but the term

03:24:32.560 --> 03:24:34.936
realignment is a general term that's

03:24:34.960 --> 03:24:37.255
used where there's a review of an area

03:24:37.279 --> 03:24:38.616
to look at where there might be some

03:24:38.640 --> 03:24:40.295
improvements possible that has an impact

03:24:40.319 --> 03:24:43.319
in some way around um the the current

03:24:43.760 --> 03:24:45.496
either reporting relationships within

03:24:45.520 --> 03:24:47.736
the team or possibly on some roles

03:24:47.760 --> 03:24:49.816
within the team. Um so that's a general

03:24:49.840 --> 03:24:52.840
term that's used in those circumstances.

03:24:54.399 --> 03:24:56.936
General, not very explanatory. Um, city

03:24:56.960 --> 03:24:58.536
futures went through something similar

03:24:58.560 --> 03:25:01.560
to um change management process with

03:25:02.399 --> 03:25:04.856
reporting line changes. What does what

03:25:04.880 --> 03:25:07.335
does that mean? Does it mean a reduction

03:25:07.359 --> 03:25:10.359
in staff or anything like that or an

03:25:10.399 --> 03:25:13.399
increase in staff?

03:25:13.760 --> 03:25:15.496
Well, again, 3year Mayor, I don't have

03:25:15.520 --> 03:25:18.520
the detail of it on me now, but we do um

03:25:18.800 --> 03:25:20.616
commonly look at different parts of the

03:25:20.640 --> 03:25:22.776
organization of how we can, you know, be

03:25:22.800 --> 03:25:25.255
continuing to improve what we do.

03:25:25.279 --> 03:25:27.736
um and that can happen in a variety of

03:25:27.760 --> 03:25:29.896
ways and sometimes that means um changes

03:25:29.920 --> 03:25:31.656
within the way the teams are set up or

03:25:31.680 --> 03:25:33.816
who people are reporting to and so on.

03:25:33.840 --> 03:25:35.415
So I could certainly provide you with

03:25:35.439 --> 03:25:37.016
some information on the specifics of

03:25:37.040 --> 03:25:39.656
that outside but um again that's in the

03:25:39.680 --> 03:25:42.375
nature of  probably similar to the

03:25:42.399 --> 03:25:43.656
first question in terms of a

03:25:43.680 --> 03:25:46.680
realignment.

03:25:48.319 --> 03:25:50.616
I just also ask about the youth services

03:25:50.640 --> 03:25:53.415
team under a change management process

03:25:53.439 --> 03:25:56.439
to respond to a service review. Um I

03:25:57.040 --> 03:25:59.096
don't remember this one reported to us

03:25:59.120 --> 03:26:02.120
as for service reviews but  um and it

03:26:02.960 --> 03:26:05.896
provide again a realized structure. Does

03:26:05.920 --> 03:26:08.920
that did that involve the members six

03:26:09.439 --> 03:26:10.696
members of the team that were there

03:26:10.720 --> 03:26:12.455
leaving and then being replaced by

03:26:12.479 --> 03:26:15.479
people at lower banding.

03:26:17.359 --> 03:26:19.976
 so through you Mayor um there was a

03:26:20.000 --> 03:26:21.576
report that did come to council on

03:26:21.600 --> 03:26:22.616
service reviews that have been

03:26:22.640 --> 03:26:24.056
undertaken that did include some

03:26:24.080 --> 03:26:25.656
information about youth services in

03:26:25.680 --> 03:26:27.176
there from what I recall that came a

03:26:27.200 --> 03:26:30.200
number of months ago. Um  from memory

03:26:30.479 --> 03:26:32.375
there were some changes within again

03:26:32.399 --> 03:26:35.399
within that team. There was some  some

03:26:35.600 --> 03:26:38.536
changes in roles. We had some people 

03:26:38.560 --> 03:26:41.016
some roles  and people leave the

03:26:41.040 --> 03:26:42.536
organization. We had some new people

03:26:42.560 --> 03:26:44.215
join us and we had some people continue

03:26:44.239 --> 03:26:46.136
with us. Um so there's a mix of

03:26:46.160 --> 03:26:47.816
circumstances there within the youth

03:26:47.840 --> 03:26:50.295
services team and  they're delivering

03:26:50.319 --> 03:26:53.096
some great things for um for  young

03:26:53.120 --> 03:26:55.096
people within Knox particularly being

03:26:55.120 --> 03:26:58.120
based at  the library um with the 

03:26:59.279 --> 03:27:01.736
Nagu and the the youth setup that we've

03:27:01.760 --> 03:27:03.335
got down there which is um working out

03:27:03.359 --> 03:27:05.896
really well.

03:27:05.920 --> 03:27:07.576
Yeah, actually I love the youth hive.

03:27:07.600 --> 03:27:09.255
It's um quite good although I'm not

03:27:09.279 --> 03:27:11.016
entirely young enough to go there but I

03:27:11.040 --> 03:27:14.040
do pop up and say hello. All right.

03:27:14.160 --> 03:27:15.415
Thank you for that. I would appreciate

03:27:15.439 --> 03:27:17.255
more information if if I could get hold

03:27:17.279 --> 03:27:20.279
of it.

03:27:20.399 --> 03:27:22.295
Thank you. Would any other counselor

03:27:22.319 --> 03:27:25.319
like to speak to the motion?

03:27:25.520 --> 03:27:28.520
No. Okay. I was the mover and I'm not

03:27:28.560 --> 03:27:30.455
going to exercise my right of reply. I'm

03:27:30.479 --> 03:27:32.136
just going to put the motion. All those

03:27:32.160 --> 03:27:35.160
in favor? Motion is carried unanimously.

03:27:35.359 --> 03:27:37.816
Thank you.

03:27:37.840 --> 03:27:40.840
Okay. We'll now move on to item 8.11.

03:27:42.000 --> 03:27:44.375
transfer of lease 100 Station Street,

03:27:44.399 --> 03:27:46.616
Fernry Gully. And again, before I call

03:27:46.640 --> 03:27:48.616
for a mover, I'll just remind councilors

03:27:48.640 --> 03:27:50.936
that we may need to close the meeting if

03:27:50.960 --> 03:27:52.616
there are any detailed questions or

03:27:52.640 --> 03:27:54.776
debate in relation to the matters set

03:27:54.800 --> 03:27:56.776
out in the confidential attachments of

03:27:56.800 --> 03:27:59.800
this report.

03:27:59.920 --> 03:28:01.576
Councelor, would the council like to

03:28:01.600 --> 03:28:03.335
move the recommendation? Councelor

03:28:03.359 --> 03:28:06.359
Baker, do we have a second, please?

03:28:07.680 --> 03:28:10.056
Um, thank you, councelor Duncan.

03:28:10.080 --> 03:28:11.736
Councelor Baker, would you like to speak

03:28:11.760 --> 03:28:12.455
to the motion?

03:28:12.479 --> 03:28:15.415
I do. Very briefly. Um, and three, Mayor

03:28:15.439 --> 03:28:18.295
Cooper.  this is just a report for a

03:28:18.319 --> 03:28:21.319
transfer of lease,  located at 100

03:28:21.760 --> 03:28:24.056
Station Street in Fentry Gully. Um, and

03:28:24.080 --> 03:28:26.455
we're just being asked to consider and

03:28:26.479 --> 03:28:28.215
approve the transfer of lease with the

03:28:28.239 --> 03:28:31.239
address from  Martr Associates Repe

03:28:31.760 --> 03:28:34.760
Limited to Hong or Winnie UN Tan.  the

03:28:35.920 --> 03:28:37.976
premises will continue to operate as a

03:28:38.000 --> 03:28:40.375
bakery under the existing lease terms

03:28:40.399 --> 03:28:41.816
including the option of a 4-year

03:28:41.840 --> 03:28:44.136
extension with a current annual rent of

03:28:44.160 --> 03:28:47.160
 just over $23,000   with an

03:28:47.600 --> 03:28:50.600
increasing 4% each year. Um the transfer

03:28:52.239 --> 03:28:54.295
um will continue obviously as I

03:28:54.319 --> 03:28:57.016
mentioned for the bakery remaining open

03:28:57.040 --> 03:28:58.536
um and supporting our community by

03:28:58.560 --> 03:29:01.560
providing access to fresh food and um is

03:29:01.840 --> 03:29:04.840
a value local business. So um I'm

03:29:04.960 --> 03:29:06.776
supportive um of the officer's

03:29:06.800 --> 03:29:08.536
recommendation outlined in the report.

03:29:08.560 --> 03:29:09.496
Thank you.

03:29:09.520 --> 03:29:11.016
Thank you councelor Baker. Councelor

03:29:11.040 --> 03:29:13.335
Duncan, would you like to speak

03:29:13.359 --> 03:29:15.255
very very briefly? This is just a mere

03:29:15.279 --> 03:29:17.255
formality because we can't delegate this

03:29:17.279 --> 03:29:19.335
to somebody else. So it has to come to a

03:29:19.359 --> 03:29:21.176
motion of council to decide on a

03:29:21.200 --> 03:29:22.776
transfer of a lease. So fully supportive

03:29:22.800 --> 03:29:23.736
of it.

03:29:23.760 --> 03:29:25.335
Thank you councelor Duncan. Would any

03:29:25.359 --> 03:29:27.096
other counselor like to speak to the

03:29:27.120 --> 03:29:29.576
motion?

03:29:29.600 --> 03:29:31.816
Okay, there being no debate, I'll put

03:29:31.840 --> 03:29:34.455
the motion. All those in favor? Motion

03:29:34.479 --> 03:29:37.479
is carried. Thank you.

03:29:40.319 --> 03:29:43.319
Okay, we'll now move on to item nine,

03:29:43.359 --> 03:29:45.896
supplementary items. 9.1 is Kingston

03:29:45.920 --> 03:29:48.856
Links um/bankside

03:29:48.880 --> 03:29:51.880
land sale and section 173 agreement.

03:29:52.800 --> 03:29:55.096
Again, I'll just remind councilors that

03:29:55.120 --> 03:29:56.616
we may need to close the meeting if

03:29:56.640 --> 03:29:58.616
there are detailed questions or debate

03:29:58.640 --> 03:30:00.455
set out in the confidential attachment

03:30:00.479 --> 03:30:03.016
of the report. Would a counselor like to

03:30:03.040 --> 03:30:06.040
move a motion?

03:30:06.319 --> 03:30:09.255
Thank you. Thank you, councelor Atwell.

03:30:09.279 --> 03:30:12.279
Do we have a seconder for the motion?

03:30:17.600 --> 03:30:20.600
Um, thank you councelor Duncan.

03:30:20.800 --> 03:30:22.215
Councelor Atwell, would you like to

03:30:22.239 --> 03:30:23.896
speak to the motion?

03:30:23.920 --> 03:30:25.736
I'm happy to move the report as read.

03:30:25.760 --> 03:30:27.016
Yeah, I feel like it's

03:30:27.040 --> 03:30:29.816
Thank you. It's a big conversation, but

03:30:29.840 --> 03:30:32.696
um this is recommending that  we

03:30:32.720 --> 03:30:35.176
commence a process  further to this

03:30:35.200 --> 03:30:37.415
project and then bring a  further

03:30:37.439 --> 03:30:39.176
report back to council to be presented

03:30:39.200 --> 03:30:40.455
at a future meeting to consider

03:30:40.479 --> 03:30:42.375
community feedback. So happy to move

03:30:42.399 --> 03:30:43.496
this and kick it off.

03:30:43.520 --> 03:30:46.520
Yep. Thank you. Councelor Duncan

03:30:46.880 --> 03:30:47.816
reserve my right.

03:30:47.840 --> 03:30:49.496
Thank you. Would any counselor like to

03:30:49.520 --> 03:30:52.375
speak to the motion? No. I now put the

03:30:52.399 --> 03:30:55.255
motion. All those in favor? This motion

03:30:55.279 --> 03:30:58.279
is carried. Thank you.

03:31:00.640 --> 03:31:03.576
Okay. Item 10 is notices of motion,

03:31:03.600 --> 03:31:06.600
which we do not have any this evening.

03:31:06.800 --> 03:31:09.016
Item 11 is urgent business. Does any

03:31:09.040 --> 03:31:10.936
counselor wish to raise a matter of

03:31:10.960 --> 03:31:13.960
urgent business?

03:31:14.000 --> 03:31:17.000
No. We'll move on to item 12, questions

03:31:18.000 --> 03:31:19.896
through the chair. Does any counselor

03:31:19.920 --> 03:31:21.576
wish to raise a question through the

03:31:21.600 --> 03:31:23.816
chair? Thank you, councelor Atwell.

03:31:23.840 --> 03:31:25.656
 thank you, Mayor.  just um further

03:31:25.680 --> 03:31:27.016
to my board report at the beginning of

03:31:27.040 --> 03:31:30.040
the meeting. Um this is relating to a 

03:31:31.040 --> 03:31:33.255
an issue with the tree um and a and a

03:31:33.279 --> 03:31:34.776
resident I've been engaging with in in

03:31:34.800 --> 03:31:37.176
Roville. And I appreciate the work of of

03:31:37.200 --> 03:31:38.856
officers in in supporting the resident

03:31:38.880 --> 03:31:41.255
and me in getting some more information

03:31:41.279 --> 03:31:43.335
 having a tree assessed. But  my

03:31:43.359 --> 03:31:45.816
question on behalf of the resident um

03:31:45.840 --> 03:31:48.840
was  can officers  please advise

03:31:49.120 --> 03:31:50.696
when the green streets policy is

03:31:50.720 --> 03:31:52.696
scheduled for review and will this

03:31:52.720 --> 03:31:54.616
review consider how the policy reflects

03:31:54.640 --> 03:31:56.295
community needs and concerns while

03:31:56.319 --> 03:31:57.656
balancing our environmental

03:31:57.680 --> 03:32:00.680
responsibilities.

03:32:02.640 --> 03:32:05.415
Yeah. Thank you. I'll direct that to

03:32:05.439 --> 03:32:08.439
director. Um everyone's going I know you

03:32:09.200 --> 03:32:11.896
know Grand Thorne. Thank you.  through

03:32:11.920 --> 03:32:14.056
the Mayor. Thank you for the question.

03:32:14.080 --> 03:32:16.696
Um as per the resolution from 26th of

03:32:16.720 --> 03:32:19.576
May 2025 council meeting, the green

03:32:19.600 --> 03:32:21.335
streets policy and broader tree

03:32:21.359 --> 03:32:23.656
management framework will be reviewed

03:32:23.680 --> 03:32:26.680
over the next 18 months from May 2025

03:32:27.680 --> 03:32:29.496
u meaning an overall deadline of

03:32:29.520 --> 03:32:31.656
November 2026.

03:32:31.680 --> 03:32:34.215
In considering the green street's policy

03:32:34.239 --> 03:32:36.375
 during this review, a broader

03:32:36.399 --> 03:32:37.896
consideration of the overall tree

03:32:37.920 --> 03:32:39.976
management framework will also be

03:32:40.000 --> 03:32:42.056
considered um which will balance

03:32:42.080 --> 03:32:44.856
council's policy position, how it aims

03:32:44.880 --> 03:32:46.856
to implement council strategic position

03:32:46.880 --> 03:32:48.696
on tree protection and tree canopy

03:32:48.720 --> 03:32:51.415
targets relating to general climate

03:32:51.439 --> 03:32:54.215
change mitigation. This work in its

03:32:54.239 --> 03:32:56.776
entirety aims to reflect environmental

03:32:56.800 --> 03:32:58.856
responsibilities, council's strategic

03:32:58.880 --> 03:33:01.880
position, community needs, and providing

03:33:02.319 --> 03:33:05.096
a balanced financial financially

03:33:05.120 --> 03:33:08.120
sustainable service to the community.

03:33:08.239 --> 03:33:08.856
Thank you.

03:33:08.880 --> 03:33:11.415
Thank you. That that end that concludes

03:33:11.439 --> 03:33:13.096
your questions. Would any other

03:33:13.120 --> 03:33:15.576
counselor like to ask a question through

03:33:15.600 --> 03:33:17.576
the chat?

03:33:17.600 --> 03:33:19.576
Council Pearce,

03:33:19.600 --> 03:33:22.295
just on from council Atwell's a

03:33:22.319 --> 03:33:25.096
question. When is the tree straight the

03:33:25.120 --> 03:33:27.496
treecape report going to come to

03:33:27.520 --> 03:33:30.520
council?

03:33:30.800 --> 03:33:33.800
Um, street tree street tree. I'll refer

03:33:35.600 --> 03:33:38.536
I know. Yeah. Um, I'll refer that to

03:33:38.560 --> 03:33:40.375
yourself, director. Thank you. 

03:33:40.399 --> 03:33:42.056
through the Mayor. As I just explained

03:33:42.080 --> 03:33:44.455
in my previous answer, the green streets

03:33:44.479 --> 03:33:45.976
policy and broader tree management

03:33:46.000 --> 03:33:49.000
framework as per the 26th of May 2025

03:33:49.279 --> 03:33:51.335
resolution will come back within 18

03:33:51.359 --> 03:33:53.896
months of May 2025, which is November

03:33:53.920 --> 03:33:55.255
2026.

03:33:55.279 --> 03:33:57.415
Thank you.

03:33:57.439 --> 03:33:59.335
Thank you.

03:33:59.359 --> 03:34:01.816
Okay, we'll now move on. Oh, you did

03:34:01.840 --> 03:34:03.255
have a question. Yeah. Thank you,

03:34:03.279 --> 03:34:04.696
Councelor Lockwood.

03:34:04.720 --> 03:34:06.616
Um we've heard a lot about the early

03:34:06.640 --> 03:34:09.255
childhood um stuff lately. I just

03:34:09.279 --> 03:34:10.936
wondered what what's been our

03:34:10.960 --> 03:34:12.776
communication strategy to parents and

03:34:12.800 --> 03:34:15.800
staff. There seems to be um a lot of

03:34:16.080 --> 03:34:18.375
concern. So, have we had a strategy and

03:34:18.399 --> 03:34:20.375
if so, what is it?

03:34:20.399 --> 03:34:23.399
Thank you.

03:34:23.920 --> 03:34:25.736
Now, I might just make some comments and

03:34:25.760 --> 03:34:28.760
then um director Chalkley might add in.

03:34:29.520 --> 03:34:32.520
Um so we have communicated with all our

03:34:32.640 --> 03:34:35.640
staff  which we did back in September

03:34:36.640 --> 03:34:39.640
when um I reached a decision around the

03:34:40.319 --> 03:34:43.319
application of the grant and um  we

03:34:44.880 --> 03:34:46.856
have provided sort of those factors that

03:34:46.880 --> 03:34:49.880
we've been were in our minds um after

03:34:50.160 --> 03:34:51.656
going through a really detailed process

03:34:51.680 --> 03:34:54.680
of considering the matter um and hearing

03:34:54.800 --> 03:34:57.576
the feedback from our people. Um I might

03:34:57.600 --> 03:35:00.600
also add that we have  indeed

03:35:00.720 --> 03:35:02.856
clarified with director chalkley we have

03:35:02.880 --> 03:35:05.415
responded to all the questions that we

03:35:05.439 --> 03:35:07.976
have been asked um and that have come in

03:35:08.000 --> 03:35:10.936
by email  and certainly emails

03:35:10.960 --> 03:35:12.936
questions that have come in to me I may

03:35:12.960 --> 03:35:15.415
not have directly responded to but that

03:35:15.439 --> 03:35:18.056
um everyone one who has submitted sort

03:35:18.080 --> 03:35:20.776
of a question or provided um something

03:35:20.800 --> 03:35:23.800
to us for that we've responded to 

03:35:23.920 --> 03:35:26.616
sorry has received a response Um and the

03:35:26.640 --> 03:35:27.976
at times that will have come from

03:35:28.000 --> 03:35:29.816
director Chalkley or from the manager of

03:35:29.840 --> 03:35:32.136
the area. Um so I just want to provide

03:35:32.160 --> 03:35:33.736
that clarification earlier to the public

03:35:33.760 --> 03:35:36.295
question time tonight. So we have um 

03:35:36.319 --> 03:35:38.776
met with staff and our staff our leaders

03:35:38.800 --> 03:35:41.800
are out at our  the work sites  on a

03:35:42.080 --> 03:35:43.896
regular basis and able to interact with

03:35:43.920 --> 03:35:46.920
staff there as well um and able to

03:35:47.279 --> 03:35:49.096
answer any questions and provide any

03:35:49.120 --> 03:35:51.576
clarification that that staff might have

03:35:51.600 --> 03:35:54.600
around the matter.

03:35:56.800 --> 03:35:58.616
did that didn't include the parents by

03:35:58.640 --> 03:36:00.215
the sound of it. So we didn't tell the

03:36:00.239 --> 03:36:03.239
parents. Sorry.

03:36:03.680 --> 03:36:06.455
So we actually did um communicate to all

03:36:06.479 --> 03:36:08.295
the parents um because we did have the

03:36:08.319 --> 03:36:10.455
union attend the side. It was quite

03:36:10.479 --> 03:36:12.295
distur disturbing for some of the

03:36:12.319 --> 03:36:13.816
parents that they commented on. So we

03:36:13.840 --> 03:36:15.736
did go back out to the parents and give

03:36:15.760 --> 03:36:18.696
them um an update um on what the

03:36:18.720 --> 03:36:21.415
retention grant was about and why the

03:36:21.439 --> 03:36:24.056
union were involved. Um, and we also did

03:36:24.080 --> 03:36:27.080
attend um the um hubs um to organize a

03:36:28.880 --> 03:36:31.576
meeting for the staff, but we only had

03:36:31.600 --> 03:36:34.600
two staff attend.

03:36:35.840 --> 03:36:38.840
We'll make these more. Um the comment

03:36:38.960 --> 03:36:41.960
about code of conduct, does our code of

03:36:42.560 --> 03:36:45.335
conduct for the staff prevent them um

03:36:45.359 --> 03:36:47.816
from expressing concerns about issues

03:36:47.840 --> 03:36:50.840
like this that come up?

03:36:56.720 --> 03:36:59.176
It's late. Um so through you madam may

03:36:59.200 --> 03:37:01.576
um no the code of conduct there they can

03:37:01.600 --> 03:37:03.896
make um come to us with any of their

03:37:03.920 --> 03:37:05.816
concerns. Um we have an open door

03:37:05.840 --> 03:37:08.215
policy. Um what I would say the code of

03:37:08.239 --> 03:37:11.239
conduct comments on is to to go out and

03:37:11.279 --> 03:37:14.279
make a statement on behalf of council um

03:37:14.479 --> 03:37:16.295
without consultation. So they can't just

03:37:16.319 --> 03:37:17.896
go out and make a statement. But in

03:37:17.920 --> 03:37:20.920
regards to them, you know, signing the

03:37:21.439 --> 03:37:24.136
petition, which a few of the staff did,

03:37:24.160 --> 03:37:25.736
coming to us with their concerns, going

03:37:25.760 --> 03:37:28.215
to Bruce, which they did as well. Um,

03:37:28.239 --> 03:37:30.455
that that's not a code of conduct issue

03:37:30.479 --> 03:37:31.976
at all.

03:37:32.000 --> 03:37:34.295
Thank you.

03:37:34.319 --> 03:37:37.319
One more.  I asked about those um

03:37:39.040 --> 03:37:41.496
discretion, those realignments before.

03:37:41.520 --> 03:37:44.375
Um, looking through the annual report,

03:37:44.399 --> 03:37:46.215
there's a that's looks like there's been

03:37:46.239 --> 03:37:48.215
a bit of staff turnover the last 2 to 3

03:37:48.239 --> 03:37:51.239
years. Um, and it costs money for people

03:37:51.359 --> 03:37:52.856
to separate from council, especially if

03:37:52.880 --> 03:37:54.616
they've been here a long time. Did you

03:37:54.640 --> 03:37:56.375
fund that through any part of the

03:37:56.399 --> 03:37:58.776
discretionary reserves to make them

03:37:58.800 --> 03:38:01.800
non-cashbacked in the end?

03:38:04.479 --> 03:38:06.375
I think through here there's a probably

03:38:06.399 --> 03:38:08.536
a couple of things

03:38:08.560 --> 03:38:11.560
within that question. Um the  staff

03:38:12.960 --> 03:38:15.960
turnover last year for the 2425 year 

03:38:17.920 --> 03:38:19.656
was a bit higher than it has been in

03:38:19.680 --> 03:38:21.816
other years and that's associated with

03:38:21.840 --> 03:38:23.736
the change in the kindergarten provision

03:38:23.760 --> 03:38:26.215
from the 1st of January this year where

03:38:26.239 --> 03:38:27.976
um council stopped being the direct

03:38:28.000 --> 03:38:29.896
service provider for all but two of the

03:38:29.920 --> 03:38:31.816
sessional kindergarten services within

03:38:31.840 --> 03:38:34.840
the city. Um so  I think staff

03:38:36.160 --> 03:38:38.295
turnover in total was a little over 20%

03:38:38.319 --> 03:38:41.176
in the last 12 months. Um once you take

03:38:41.200 --> 03:38:44.200
out the factor of um the the the

03:38:44.560 --> 03:38:46.136
particular circumstances around the

03:38:46.160 --> 03:38:47.976
kindergarten the staff turnover was

03:38:48.000 --> 03:38:50.536
somewhere around 11 or 12%. Which is

03:38:50.560 --> 03:38:52.056
actually a bit lower than it has been

03:38:52.080 --> 03:38:54.136
the previous years. And our turnover in

03:38:54.160 --> 03:38:56.696
recent years has been um a number of

03:38:56.720 --> 03:38:59.255
percentage points lower than the average

03:38:59.279 --> 03:39:00.856
um within the local government sector.

03:39:00.880 --> 03:39:03.880
And we do monitor that do recognize that

03:39:04.239 --> 03:39:07.176
 yeah when staff leave there um there

03:39:07.200 --> 03:39:09.576
is a a cost associated with needing to

03:39:09.600 --> 03:39:12.375
recruit and bring people in and you know

03:39:12.399 --> 03:39:15.399
it's it's really um  people leave for

03:39:15.920 --> 03:39:18.215
all sorts of different reasons. Um and

03:39:18.239 --> 03:39:20.295
it's it's really good to see people go

03:39:20.319 --> 03:39:21.816
and enhance their careers as a lot of

03:39:21.840 --> 03:39:24.840
our people do. Um and it's good to also

03:39:24.880 --> 03:39:26.455
have a mix of you know experienced

03:39:26.479 --> 03:39:27.896
people and some new thinking in the

03:39:27.920 --> 03:39:30.136
organization too. So there's a level of

03:39:30.160 --> 03:39:32.776
turnover that's a healthy level and um

03:39:32.800 --> 03:39:34.455
we're within that range of what we would

03:39:34.479 --> 03:39:37.255
see a healthy level of turnover. So I

03:39:37.279 --> 03:39:40.136
mean those costs are are

03:39:40.160 --> 03:39:42.776
that sorry we have to move a motion to

03:39:42.800 --> 03:39:45.335
extend the meeting. Sorry to interrupt.

03:39:45.359 --> 03:39:48.215
It's 11:00. We need to move a motion to

03:39:48.239 --> 03:39:51.239
extend the meeting to 11:30.

03:39:51.680 --> 03:39:52.936
I'll move the motion. Do we have a

03:39:52.960 --> 03:39:54.455
seconder?

03:39:54.479 --> 03:39:57.479
Councelor Lockwood. All those in favor?

03:39:59.840 --> 03:40:02.840
Motion is carried reluctantly. Sorry, M.

03:40:02.880 --> 03:40:03.335
Go on.

03:40:03.359 --> 03:40:05.415
I was almost there. I think um yeah,

03:40:05.439 --> 03:40:06.936
those costs are just funded through the

03:40:06.960 --> 03:40:09.960
normal operating budget. Um  in terms

03:40:10.160 --> 03:40:11.976
of when a staff member leaves there may

03:40:12.000 --> 03:40:13.896
be a gap between a new member coming in

03:40:13.920 --> 03:40:15.816
and there may be some recruitment costs,

03:40:15.840 --> 03:40:17.656
but they're sort of picked up within the

03:40:17.680 --> 03:40:19.335
ups and downs of the overall operating

03:40:19.359 --> 03:40:22.136
budget. Um you mentioned cash reserves

03:40:22.160 --> 03:40:24.776
 council Lockwood at the end of  the

03:40:24.800 --> 03:40:27.800
2425 year all those reserves um under

03:40:28.080 --> 03:40:31.080
the definition we use around um sort of

03:40:31.840 --> 03:40:33.176
you know when we look at the balance

03:40:33.200 --> 03:40:34.856
sheet and how how they're covered they

03:40:34.880 --> 03:40:37.016
are all they are all backed um that was

03:40:37.040 --> 03:40:40.040
the case at the end of the 20 June 2025

03:40:41.920 --> 03:40:44.215
um and obviously we've got a plan 

03:40:44.239 --> 03:40:45.896
forward to ensure that that's that's the

03:40:45.920 --> 03:40:47.176
case going forward and we'll talk more

03:40:47.200 --> 03:40:48.696
with councils around that in the budget

03:40:48.720 --> 03:40:50.776
process

03:40:50.800 --> 03:40:53.576
Sounds good.

03:40:53.600 --> 03:40:55.335
Thank you. Any further questions from

03:40:55.359 --> 03:40:58.359
counselors through the chair?

03:41:00.080 --> 03:41:02.936
Okay. Our next item is confidential

03:41:02.960 --> 03:41:05.656
items which we do not have any this

03:41:05.680 --> 03:41:08.295
evening. So I can now officially declare

03:41:08.319 --> 03:41:11.319
the meeting to be closed. Thank you

03:41:11.600 --> 03:41:13.096
everyone for joining us this evening in

03:41:13.120 --> 03:41:15.496
the gallery and online. And I wish you

03:41:15.520 --> 03:41:18.520
all a very good night.