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Welcome councellors, officers, and

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members of the gallery to tonight's

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council meeting. I'm Lisa Cooper, and I

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have the privilege of being the Mayor of

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Knox City Council. Council acknowledges

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the Wurrundjeri, Woi Wurrang and

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Bunurong People of the Kulin Nation as

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traditional custodians of the land.

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Today, we meet on the traditional lands

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of the Wurundjeri, Woi Wurrang People, and pay

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our respects to Elders both past and

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present. Our statement of commitment.

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The Knox way is characterized by service

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integrity, community participation,

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accountability, and good governance.

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Council is committed to being responsive

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to the community and advocating to other

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governments and agencies on their

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behalf.

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We recognize the importance of local

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democracy and council's responsibility

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to govern well for all in our city. Our

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history is rich and in the spirit of the

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Knox tradition, let us move and prosper.

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We're conducting tonight's meeting in a

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hybrid format as usual. However, we do

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have all councellors present in the

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chamber this evening. I'll start by

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introducing my colleagues and ask that

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you give a little bit of a wave as I

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call out your name. councellors in

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attendance tonight, we have councellor

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Susan Pearce representing Taylor Ward,

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councellor Peter Lockwood representing

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Baird Ward, councellor Robert Williams

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representing Dinsdale Ward, councellor

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Chris Duncan representing Collier Ward,

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councellor Parisa Considine representing

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Fryberg Ward. Deputy Mayor councellor

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Glen Atwell representing Tirhatuan

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Ward. councellor Paige Kennett

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representing Chandler Ward. councellor

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Meagan Baker representing Dobson Ward.

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Also joining us in the chamber this

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evening, our chief executive officer,

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Bruce Dobson, director of

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infrastructure, Grant Thorn, director

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of city livability, Matt Kelleher,

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director of connected communities, Judy

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Chalkley, director of customer and

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performance, Greg Cursio, chief

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financial officer, Yvette Lawkins, our manager

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of governance and risk, Andrew Dowling,

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our head of governance, Saskia Wirtheim,

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and also other members of our governance

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team.

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I'll now read our live streaming  and

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conduct statement. Please note this

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meeting is recorded and streamed live on

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our website in accordance with our live

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streaming of public meetings policy.

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Thank you.

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Just just wait one moment.

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Thank you. So, council does not permit

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additional recordings of the meeting.

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Members of the gallery should note that

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you may be visible in the background of

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the live streaming video. Live streaming

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and recording will be suspended if this

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meeting is closed to the public to

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consider confidential business in

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accordance with section 66 of the Local

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Government Act 2020.

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I remind everyone that opinions

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expressed in statements made during this

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meeting are those of the individuals

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making them and not those of council

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unless set out in a resolution passed by

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council.

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Council accepts no liability for any

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defamatory remarks made during the

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meeting. You are responsible for your

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own comments and therefore may be

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personally liable for any loss or damage

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they cause. I would also ask everyone

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present to remain quiet when others are

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addressing the meeting and remind the

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gallery that this is a meeting of

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council and there is no opportunity for

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members of the gallery to participate in

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debate during the meeting and that

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questions are only permissible during

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public question time.

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So moving on to our order of business

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this evening. The first item is number

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one apologies and requests for leaves of

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absence. I don't believe we have any

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apologies tonight councellors, does

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anyone wish to request a leave of

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absence?

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No. Thank you. Item two, declarations of

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conflicts of interest. If there are any

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conflicts of interest to declare

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tonight, now is an opportunity to

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foreshadow that conflict. I'll ask that

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you declare your conflict of interest in

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full later in the meeting immediately

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before the item is considered. Are there

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any such declarations?

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 yes, Mayor I have a conflict over

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the minor grants coming up at item 8

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five.

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Correct. Yeah. Thank you, councellor

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Duncan.

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 yes, I don't have a conflict, but I

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will be making a transparency

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declaration at 8.1 for the leasing

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policy review. Thank you. Would any

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other counsellor like to 

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declare a conflict of interest?

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Okay. Thank you. We'll move on to item

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three, which is confirmation of minutes.

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Is there any opposition to the minutes

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of the council meeting held on Monday

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the 23rd of June 2025.

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There being no opposition, I can declare

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the minutes to be confirmed. Thank you.

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We'll move on to item four,

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presentations, petitions, and memorials.

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Do we have any this evening?

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councellor Pearce.

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Yes, Madame Mayor. I have one and

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councellor Lockwood has another.

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Thank you, councellor Pearce. Would you

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Is that is that a

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I have a memorial.

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Okay. Thank you. So,  Okay. So, we

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might say, are there any presentations

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for this evening?

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No. Are there any petitions?

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No.

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And councellor Pearce, would you like to

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 speak to your memorial? Yes, please.

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Sorry, I'm going to stand for this.

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David Rose. I'd like to extend my

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condolences to the family of David Rose

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and family colleagues at three

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government schools in Knox where he was

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a principal. One happens to be where my

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daughter went.

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David was a passionate much-loved member

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of the education community. He was

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dedicated supporting educal

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opportunities for all children.

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His passion and expertise significantly

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impacted on the lives of many students

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including my daughter.

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David's teaching career started in

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1986

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where at Croydon Community School where

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he later became principal before moving

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into the primary school sector at to

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assistant principal at Eastwood Primary

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School in 2004. David's knowledge

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leadership abilities were recognized and

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he was appointed to be principal's role

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at Upper Ferntree Gully Primary School.

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He subsequently was appointed as

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principal for Heeney Park where my mine

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and David's paths crossed.

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I was school council president twice and

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David was the principal at the time and

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he was fantastic,

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so enthusiastic and so very, very

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helpful.

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David displayed a relentless commitment

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to most vulnerable young people, working

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tirelessly to support.

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It was David's significant contribution

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that contributed to the vision of a

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great education for every child and

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young person.

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David's dedication and commitment is

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reflected in high esteem and it was held

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across the northeast and of Victoria

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wide education community. Our thoughts

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are with de with David and his beloved

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wife Steph and the family his daughter

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Isabelle her partner Hamish and her

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granddaughter their granddaughter

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Scarlet as well as many colleagues

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students and friends

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in memorial David three friends are his

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writing buddies are now touring France

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for the tour de France

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in his memory which he planned to do.

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All I can say is we've really lost a

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wonderful educator and it's such a shame

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that he has gone. Thank you.

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Thank you, councellor Pearce. councellor

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Lockwood.

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 thank you just I guess more

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announcement. It's not someone I knew

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will but a former Scott Ward counsellor

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Robert Vance Dockram  passed recently.

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He was a counsellor here from 97 to 2000.

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 we competed against one another in

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that election in 1997. he was a a

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neighbor of mine in Wantirna South for a

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time before he moved on. he was in

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the people placement business initially.

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He was working I think for four staff

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and then set up his own business and was

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very successful. So unfortunately later

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in life he'd come across some 

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things that damaged him, hurt him

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very much and and his life ended at a

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premature age of 71 anybody touched

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by this  certainly I can suggest the

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Black Dog Institute something I know

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quite well and support as well as Beyond

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Blue and perhaps even Movember there

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are services available. Thank you.

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Thank you councellor Lockwood.

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We'll move on to item five, reports by

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councellors. I might start with um

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councellor Baker. Thank you.

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Thank you. And thank you, Mayor Cooper.

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 it's been a busy month with several

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events. like so many that will

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probably mention tonight, I attended the

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National General Assembly with some

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of my colleagues and I have submitted a

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report and I'll speak a little bit more

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to this later on this evening with the

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item down the track. I

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also attended yesterday at Kulamara

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Waters in Fry Gully with deputy mayor

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as well at well and we attended the

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event where we planted 3,000 plants with

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about 150 volunteers and I would like

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to also acknowledge the biodiversity

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team and volunteer groups also donated

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their time and u prepared for the event.

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Um, I'd also like to acknowledge one of

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our volunteers from one of our local

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groups who introduced me to people

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who were visiting from Wangora and

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Broken Hill who traveled down to attend

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the event um and participate in the

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event. So that was really quite pleasing

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to see as well. So I'd like to thank

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everyone who attended and helped out

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yesterday at KMA waters. It was a

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fantastic event. I also attended our

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mandatory council of PD session earlier

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this month. Well, last month it would

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have been I feels like earlier this

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month. I also attended the upway Tacoma

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football club Nadok round that was

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located at Tasky Reserve in Upper Fentry

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Gully.

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I also recently attended the CFA Fentry

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Gully awards and presentation evening.

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Um and for the remainder I'll submit a

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report. Thank you. Thank you councellor

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Baker. councellor Kennet.

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Thank you through you, Madame Mayor.

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Um to add to councellor Baker's

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acknowledgement of tree planting, I

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visited Chatham Reserve with the um

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volunteers of Froggy and they did a tree

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planting event on the 28th of June where

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they planted a thousand plants in the

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reserve there with 25 residents that

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gave up their time. So, thank you to

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Melbourne Water and Knox City Council

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for supporting that tree planning event

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and our volunteers too. Um, I attended

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um,

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well, sorry, together with councellor

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Baker, councellor and councellor Duncan,

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we had St. Joseph's College year 9

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coordinator visit us here at um, the

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civic center to present on behalf of the

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year 9 cohort. The year9 program at St.

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Joseph's um investigate a local area,

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interview locals and then together in

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their groups propose solutions for um

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and recommendations for the issues that

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they identify in the local area. And

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this year they had a focus on youth. Um

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in their groups they came up with 27

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ideas across five different themes and

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submitted those to council for our

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consideration. It was a really useful

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and engaging session that we had with

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the year9 coordinator and I want to

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thank St. Joseph College for bringing

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those ideas to council and hope that we

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can extend upon what we heard from that

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year9 cohort.

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I also attended the early years advisory

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committee with councellor Considine.

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the committee spoke on the domestic

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animal management plan and um taking the

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view of children with um in regard to

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that plan which was really interesting

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because we spoke about the impact of

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open space and having dogs on off lead

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in um in our parks and sports grounds

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and the impact that that can have on

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children. So I thought that that was a

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really useful piece of information to

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take back with us. Um, I also visited a

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neighboring council's winter shelter

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program this month. The program in

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one of our neighboring councils offers a

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warm place to have a meal and a hot

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shower and a safe place to sleep for

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people who are homeless. It's run wholly

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by volunteers and the service supports

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our most vulnerable during our coldest

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months. Um, some stats for you in Knox.

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Knox has a lower homelessness rate than

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greater Melbourne but remains one of the

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highest among our outer eastern

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municipalities sadly in um our region.

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In Knox's report, the state of Knox

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2024, it states that there are 430

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people that are estimated to be

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experiencing homelessness and this

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number has been increasing. So programs

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like the emergency relief fund that

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council have funded most recently with

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$100,000 helps to support those

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experiencing those challenges in our

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city.

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Um also this month I met with several

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residents and the majority of queries

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that I'm hearing lately are about

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parking streets and bike paths and so

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I'm trying to progress those um through

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council um with the help of our resident

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feedback. Thank you.

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Thank you councellor Kennet. Deputy

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Mayor, councellor Outworld.

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, thank you, Mayor. And,, yes,

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likewise. I've attended a couple of,,

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National Tree Day events, in Knox.

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Yesterday, we were down at, Kulamara

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Waters Reserve. councellor Baker and I,

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and 3,000 native trees,, shrubs, and

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ground covers were planted by a really

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enthusiastic bunch. It was um, a

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wonderful family-friendly vibe. Um it

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was nice to meet and chat to so many of

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our environmental and wildlife groups

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gardens for wildlife ke friends of

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Cola, friends of Dan on Creek, friends

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of Blind Creek Bibong, to name a few.

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And it was um good to see a big

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contingent from the Heene Park Stout

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Scout group who turned out in in

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numbers and of course so many local

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families and and green thumbs generally.

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Um and it would be remiss not to mention

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the amazing barbecue that the Rotary

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Club of Fry Gully put on. they are

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among the best in the business um at the

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sausage sizzle which was really popular

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with the crowd and um on the 18th of

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July um we had the Knox business

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national tree day event which was I

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think there was about 200 people lots

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of businesses in Knox supported a

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big group of staff to turn out. Cumins

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in Scoresby on Fentry Gully Road sent um

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I think half their workforce. It was

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wonderful to see the networking, the

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discussion, really good vibe as we

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all did our bit to contribute to our

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effort to achieve 30% tree cover in

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Knox by 2050. which is one of the key

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objectives of our climate response plan

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which was recently um and our recently

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endorsed biodiversity resilience

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strategy. on Saturday night just

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gone, I attended the state basketball

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center in Montana South to see the

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Knox Raiders double header. Um Knox

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prevailed in both the finals. The women

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beat local arch rivals the Danny Nong

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Rangers and the men beat the Alam

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Wildcats and it was a a loud local

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crowd. Free general admission tickets

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down there um for the Knox Raiders quite

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often. So always a great night of

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sporting entertainment. and on the

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sporting theme, I just give a plug to

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the Scoresby Football and Net Club.

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The um the football club celebrating its

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100year centenery this Saturday the

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2nd of August. They're having a a

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heritage round and encouraging past

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players, volunteers, supporters, and

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members to get down to the club. it's

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going to be a big game against Dawn for

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the Magpies. And um I look forward to

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seeing everyone down at the club this

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Saturday to join in the centenery

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celebrations. Friday the 11th of

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July, I chatted with Warrick Long on ABC

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radio about our new approach to EV

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charging infrastructure, which seems to

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be getting some interest from

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other municipalities. on Monday, 30th

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of June, I attended an ERG meeting at

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the Minda City Council with members

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of the leadership team of the state

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opposition along with our CEO. so it

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was a good opportunity to meet and talk

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to Brad Batton and David Davis and

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and the the state opposition

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leadership team about Knox and ERG

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issues and and contribute to some of the

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thinking that's going into state

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election platform for next year.

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community safety and housing housing

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and planning were was some of the issues

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that we spent a lot of time

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discussing. I do have a report that

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relates to my attendance at Alga but I

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will save that for a later agenda item.

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But thank you mayor. Thank you councellor

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Atwell. councellor Considine.

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Thank you through you madame may um I

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have attended a Knox emergency relief

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network care meeting with councellor

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Kennet. It was wonderful to see all the

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agencies working together to support the

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Knox community with food and emergency

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relief. They shared their positive

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achievements as well as the challenges

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they face. A big thank you to the caring

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and hardworking Karen members who help

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each other and work together to support

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our community. I have attended early

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years um advis advisory committee

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meeting with councellor Kennet and also

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the Knox active aging advisory committee

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with councellor Baker. Also, I was

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truly honored to attend the hands of

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foundation foundation annual gala dinner

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on behalf of the council along with

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councellor Kennet um Mary Doyle and um

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with the inspiring guest speaker Rosie

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Batty. It was a special night to

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celebrate the amazing work of this

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nonprofit organization which supports

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victims of domestic and sexual violence.

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Their dedication to help people heal and

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find strength is truly inspiring. A big

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thank you to the Hands of Foundation for

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a lovely night and for being such an

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important part of our community. I also

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want to thank Donna Jordan and her

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wonderful team for all the hard work

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they do. Their efforts makes a real

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difference in many lives and I feel

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grateful to see their impact directly.

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Thank you.

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Absolutely. in their Thank you,

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councellor Duncan.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, I'll just

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highlight a couple of things., the

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St. Joseph's My Town presentations that

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councellor Kennet referred to. I thought

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it was fantastic to see the young

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budding filmmakers and the amount of

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courage that was shown by some of those

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students approaching strangers at

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Barunia Mall and down at Bazewater to to

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 gain their feedback on the suburb and

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also one group that did a cold walk into

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the Knox Police Station to in

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interview an officer. much braver than I

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would have been as a teenager to walk

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into a police station. So, well done to

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them. Um, I also attended a professional

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development session with with my fellow

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councellors that you are all at. I've had

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lots of inquiries from residents

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about parking issues. Um, generally it's

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just blatant disregard for road rules um

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which I will be talking to the officers

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about in those specific locations. Um,

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we've also had a couple of issues

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related to the Waverly Soccer Club who

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are at Miler Reserve. It's a safety

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concern about a resident who is known to

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council and to police who's been causing

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trouble down there. So that has been

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highlighted with officers as well. Um I

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also attended the one South Junior

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Football Club mighty mo shave which um

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is one of the members there put it

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together to raise awareness and money

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for suicide prevention which which

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councellor Lockwood touched on earlier.

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Um, so Chris was the member down there

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and in all honesty he has a better

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mustache than the mighty Murphus, but he

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put it all on the line to raise money

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for Lifeline., specifically in memory

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of his brother Tim, who he lost almost 2

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years ago. So the event was actually

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supported by AFL left legend who some of

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you would know, Jeff the Whiz Farmer. So

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he came down there wielding the Clippers

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and with a last minute additional

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donation,, Chris sacrificed the hair

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on his head as well as the mo. So he he

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went full cojack on the night. Um

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overall the event raised nearly $9,000

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for Lifeline for an event that was

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put together in two weeks. So that was

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that was a fantastic achievement. Um

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also as you were aware um many months

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ago we had the 2761 Turner Road um appro

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approval come that that was denied by

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council that had its VCAT compulsory

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conference last Thursday. and there's

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a secondary session that's happening

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this Thursday with hopefully an outcome

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to come from that. and one other

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thing that's not really a ward issue for

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me, but as some of you would be aware,

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I've spoken previously about the

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Victorian School of Student Leadership.

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Um this is a residential education

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experience for year9 students across the

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state where students live and work in

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very close environment with up to 45 of

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their peers for a whole 8w week away

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from home camp. the program's been

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operating for the last 16 years and it's

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based on teaching practices where

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students will learn from all experiences

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rather than just what takes class pace

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in the classroom. It's designed to

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foster an increased connectedness to the

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environment and respected comm community

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respective communities which enables

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them to grow into better citizens and

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leaders through increased

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self-awareness, social engagement,

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community connection and environmental

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stewardship. I'd like to point out this

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is the only type of government-based

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education of this style. It's anywhere

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in the world and it's unique to

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Victoria. Um, the reason I bring this up

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is there's 39,000 students in year 9 in

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Victoria who are eligible, but excuse

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me,, only 180.

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Microphone's died. Sorry., only 180

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are selected each term. And I'm really,

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really proud to say that five students

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from within Knox have been selected for

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this term. So they've moved down to

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their campus and I hope I pronounced

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this correctly at Nuran Gundage down in

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 Western Victoria. Um so to Harper,

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Kyle, Laura, Will and Lily, it's a

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fantastic achievement guys and I think

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it's very well worth noting for for

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councellors that we've got five members

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from Knox who have made the cut. So that

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is all. Thank you.

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Thank you and congratulations to the

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five councellor Williams.

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Thank you May. it's been a busy month

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in Dinstale as it always is. Um and

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start off with um visiting stable one

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over in Wondon. So um as councellor um

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Kennet mentioned um just researching and

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and looking at the homeless and

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opportunities to assist um especially as

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that is sadly um an increasing um part

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of our community all around. So, um it

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was really good to attend there on

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Friday night and just see what they're

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doing to support um the homeless, you

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know, with food and um you know,

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accommodation facilities and things like

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that. So, it was a really good night.

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excited about um we've got the youth

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advisory committee coming up this

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Wednesday and that's exciting and and

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along with that we've got um the youth

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advisory forum which is coming up on the

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13th of August. So, it's going to be a

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good month for the youth in Knox.

00:24:41.520 --> 00:24:43.176
attended the Bazewater Makers Market on

00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.200
the weekend. Um they met some lovely um

00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:48.056
lovely people there, you know, selling

00:24:48.080 --> 00:24:49.816
some really wonderful arts and crafts.

00:24:49.840 --> 00:24:51.336
Um there was some great food and and

00:24:51.360 --> 00:24:52.535
definitely a good opportunity to get out

00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:55.416
of the cold and have some tea and

00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:56.456
coffee with them. That was a really

00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:58.696
great event and that happens once a

00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:01.176
month um down at the baywater senior

00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.096
sits. So that was a a great event. Um

00:25:03.120 --> 00:25:04.775
and great to be able to support local

00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:07.336
makers as well. attended the Knox

00:25:07.360 --> 00:25:10.360
group um CFA 60th um birthday party on

00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:13.400
Sunday. So um congratulations to the Knox

00:25:13.520 --> 00:25:16.135
group of CFA brigades who have um done a

00:25:16.159 --> 00:25:18.535
wonderful job and they formed a group

00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.559
60 years ago um and doing some really

00:25:22.159 --> 00:25:24.216
wonderful things there. recently

00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.696
caught up with the Fair Hills um

00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:28.775
sorry Fair Park I should say junior um

00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:31.336
football club. Um we're talking around

00:25:31.360 --> 00:25:34.360
um the president um Andrew Kennedy

00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.616
his um opportunities for growth and

00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:37.976
changes that are coming within the club

00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:40.616
and that's really exciting to see. um

00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.096
attended with um councellor Duncan

00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:45.576
last week the Fair Hills High School um

00:25:45.600 --> 00:25:47.816
hydrogen car challenge and that was 4

00:25:47.840 --> 00:25:50.135
hours of these little cars in you

00:25:50.159 --> 00:25:53.159
know with hydrogen charged um with um

00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:55.176
Fair Hills only coming second. So they

00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.496
almost made it and that team successful

00:25:57.520 --> 00:25:59.255
team makes its way over to Germany to

00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:01.176
continue doing that. So it's a great

00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.496
competition and great engagement for the

00:26:03.520 --> 00:26:05.976
kids. recently met up with John who's

00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.496
one of the scouts leaders at Bazewater

00:26:07.520 --> 00:26:09.976
First, Second and Third and um toured

00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:11.416
some of their facilities and some of the

00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:13.736
conditions that they're in. But some

00:26:13.760 --> 00:26:15.015
great programs that they're doing and

00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:16.775
some good growth that is happening um at

00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:18.056
first, second, and third base water

00:26:18.080 --> 00:26:21.080
scouts. So well done to John. Um chaired

00:26:21.120 --> 00:26:23.576
the Knox Community Gardens AGM. They had

00:26:23.600 --> 00:26:26.600
a new election for um the president and

00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:29.576
for their team and congratulations to

00:26:29.600 --> 00:26:32.600
all those successful in that. Um as

00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.640
councellor Atwell mentioned um myself

00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.400
councellor well and um councellor Pearce

00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.775
and councellor Lockwood um all attended

00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:45.255
the um business national tree day

00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:47.336
down in Roville and it was great to see

00:26:47.360 --> 00:26:50.056
as councellor well mentioned cumins

00:26:50.080 --> 00:26:52.296
had a massive um amount of people down

00:26:52.320 --> 00:26:53.496
there. I reckon they probably took out

00:26:53.520 --> 00:26:54.936
their whole workforce just to help us

00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:57.576
there. Um so that was a great event but

00:26:57.600 --> 00:26:59.255
also many other small businesses in the

00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:00.856
area that also supported us and it was a

00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:02.056
great networking event. You just saw

00:27:02.080 --> 00:27:04.135
businesses networking um and planting

00:27:04.159 --> 00:27:06.056
some trees. So um you know mixing the

00:27:06.080 --> 00:27:09.015
two is a great um great opportunity.

00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:10.936
also attended the Fair Park and

00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:12.535
Bazewater Junior Football Club under the

00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:14.376
lights session. They um played a game

00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:15.816
under the lights a couple of weeks back

00:27:15.840 --> 00:27:17.336
and um that was great to see the two

00:27:17.360 --> 00:27:19.655
junior clubs at the Bazewater football

00:27:19.679 --> 00:27:20.936
 club under the new lights and

00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:23.816
everything there. attended on

00:27:23.840 --> 00:27:26.840
behalf of um Council Lockwood the

00:27:27.120 --> 00:27:29.096
state pickle ball center opening which

00:27:29.120 --> 00:27:31.416
opened in Bedwood um and that was great

00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:33.015
to sort of see what they're doing there

00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.176
and the amazing courts that also council

00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.895
has um funded towards there and um yeah

00:27:37.919 --> 00:27:39.976
it's a great great place and good to get

00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:43.000
down there. Um I saw um Jackson Taylor,

00:27:43.360 --> 00:27:45.576
our local member there and um we hinted

00:27:45.600 --> 00:27:47.576
we might do a um poly's game there one

00:27:47.600 --> 00:27:49.416
day. So you never know, we might get

00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.440
together. Um I do have a few things and

00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:53.816
I probably forgot to mention this in the

00:27:53.840 --> 00:27:56.456
memorials but um I would like to

00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.456
remember those lost on Coleman Parade

00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:01.416
recently um at the recent accident

00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.176
on Coleman Parade which is in the

00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.655
Water Dinsdale. Um and also there's been

00:28:05.679 --> 00:28:07.176
quite a few fatalities around Knox

00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:08.616
recently with car accidents and

00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:10.375
motorbike accidents. So just a reminder

00:28:10.399 --> 00:28:12.456
for those out there take care on our

00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:15.176
roads and um you know Colin Road was

00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.336
something that um I guess no one could

00:28:17.360 --> 00:28:19.655
have prevented but definitely a

00:28:19.679 --> 00:28:21.976
tragic loss there. and through that

00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:24.135
attended the Knox SCES a couple days

00:28:24.159 --> 00:28:26.775
later um just to um pass on our best

00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:28.696
wishes to them. So, um, just remembering

00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:30.856
that our first responders, a lot of them

00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.655
are volunteers in Knox and the Knox SCS

00:28:33.679 --> 00:28:35.895
give up a lot of their time., and

00:28:35.919 --> 00:28:38.216
they were at Coleman Parade as well as,

00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.216
, I think they had six fatalities in a

00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.936
week. Um, so it wasn't, um, wasn't too

00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.960
good. Um, and lucky last, um, well, two

00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:48.456
things. We've had some serious crime in

00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.296
Stfield at the IG, and that's happened

00:28:50.320 --> 00:28:51.655
twice in the last couple of weeks, and

00:28:51.679 --> 00:28:54.375
that's, um, pretty bad., and I'd also

00:28:54.399 --> 00:28:56.696
like to publicly condemn the actions

00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:59.176
that have happened at um both I think

00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.096
it's in Council Lockwood's Ward

00:29:01.120 --> 00:29:03.416
Kingsland Chinese Restaurant and the

00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.440
Shri Swamaran temple in terms of

00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:07.895
what's just happened recently there. So

00:29:07.919 --> 00:29:10.696
I would like to condemn those um yeah

00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:12.535
pretty appalling attacks on those two

00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:13.816
buildings there. And again, I've touched

00:29:13.840 --> 00:29:15.496
base with the temple over the weekend

00:29:15.520 --> 00:29:18.216
and their um working with their team

00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:19.816
and cancelling their um team around

00:29:19.840 --> 00:29:21.176
what's just happened there. So

00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.096
unfortunately ended on not so good news

00:29:23.120 --> 00:29:25.576
but um a lot happening in dins.

00:29:25.600 --> 00:29:27.736
Yeah definitely. Thank you councellor

00:29:27.760 --> 00:29:28.696
Lachwood.

00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:30.775
 thank you. Unfortunately I spent a

00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:32.936
couple of weeks unwell after coming back

00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:34.616
from Canra.

00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.096
Beautiful warm sunny CRA. Who'd imagine

00:29:37.120 --> 00:29:39.576
I get a cold. Um went on the nightsight

00:29:39.600 --> 00:29:42.535
trail visit with councellor Paige and

00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.416
staff exploring some issues. Eastern

00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:47.736
Transport Coalition had a meeting there

00:29:47.760 --> 00:29:50.616
and we were um two things we we revised

00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.096
the rules of ETC so that we now only

00:29:53.120 --> 00:29:55.655
have five meetings a year instead of 10

00:29:55.679 --> 00:29:58.679
or 11. Makes it a bit easier to handle

00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:00.696
and

00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.856
um

00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.616
that just got we're basically setting up

00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:06.216
our plans lobbying plans for the next

00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.616
state election. So the next meeting

00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:09.895
hopefully will have made a fair bit of

00:30:09.919 --> 00:30:12.056
progress and we'll have some um

00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:14.535
something to go with. We then we're

00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:16.456
obviously already consulting with ERG,

00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.096
so I'll have something for them, too.

00:30:19.120 --> 00:30:21.336
Visit his National Tree Day. That was

00:30:21.360 --> 00:30:24.056
great. I enjoyed that. Um went to the

00:30:24.080 --> 00:30:25.655
Fair Park President's Lunch with the

00:30:25.679 --> 00:30:28.616
famous Cuda. Um he's only a little bit

00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.640
taller than me. Um yeah, it was good.

00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:35.416
and we played against the Knox football

00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:38.056
club. I didn't stay for the end. So

00:30:38.080 --> 00:30:39.655
anyway, of course, Fair Park was getting

00:30:39.679 --> 00:30:41.336
flogged.

00:30:41.360 --> 00:30:44.216
Um I think Knox one

00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.375
um had a a library board meeting, YL

00:30:46.399 --> 00:30:48.856
board meeting and a MAV regional um

00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.736
board meeting. Um

00:30:51.760 --> 00:30:53.416
a bit of an update on the fire and

00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:55.176
volunteer levy. I was a bit late on that

00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:58.056
discussion. Um perhaps our CEO can

00:30:58.080 --> 00:30:59.976
update us later, but the the rates

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.775
notices we if we there's some there's a

00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:05.799
move to unify across the state for next

00:31:06.159 --> 00:31:08.936
year before prior to the election. um

00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.960
the rates notice to make it clear where

00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.015
that tax comes from. Um in the state

00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.416
budget, um there's a couple of things.

00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.496
$20 million to deliver community sports

00:31:19.520 --> 00:31:21.496
up infrastructure.

00:31:21.520 --> 00:31:24.375
Um $2 million pilot for council to

00:31:24.399 --> 00:31:25.976
increase speed of planning approvals for

00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.000
businesses. Um there's a 9776

00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.960
million road maintenance blitz in 2526

00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.135
for the resurfacing of potholes. sort of

00:31:36.159 --> 00:31:37.495
mention that because it's been a big

00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.519
issue for us. Um there's some papers

00:31:41.600 --> 00:31:43.976
from the MAV that um I won't send out at

00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:45.895
once might send out bit by bit reforming

00:31:45.919 --> 00:31:48.135
Victoria's planning system a submission

00:31:48.159 --> 00:31:51.159
on behalf of the sector um which is

00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.176
above and beyond what that other

00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:54.616
previous submission was about those

00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.775
particular planning changes.

00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:58.856
homelessness in Victoria summary report

00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.880
as a detailed report um 30,000 people

00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.255
homeless in Victoria in the 2021 census.

00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.056
So that's a lot. Rough sleepers around

00:32:08.080 --> 00:32:11.080
7% of that. Um 25% are aged 12 to 24. Um

00:32:13.600 --> 00:32:16.375
86% of councils reported an increase in

00:32:16.399 --> 00:32:19.255
homelessness. So councils are left out

00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.135
of the policy and funding mixes at the

00:32:22.159 --> 00:32:24.856
front line of homelessness. So capacity

00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.135
building is needed. If if the

00:32:26.159 --> 00:32:27.495
governments do anything for us, it's

00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.519
capacity building. Um

00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.880
so we've had um real impact from

00:32:34.320 --> 00:32:36.296
specialist roles like library social

00:32:36.320 --> 00:32:38.456
workers. We already know that people in

00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:40.616
need go to the library on a regular

00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:42.856
basis because the services are free.

00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:44.775
They can use the Wi-Fi and look for jobs

00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.655
and do other things there and get get

00:32:47.679 --> 00:32:50.679
their reading um and get online. um

00:32:52.159 --> 00:32:54.375
community community connectors that we

00:32:54.399 --> 00:32:55.816
could have perhaps and public space

00:32:55.840 --> 00:32:58.216
leaison offices for people sleeping

00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.240
rough to to help that out perhaps um pet

00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.816
leaison officers too. Um there was a

00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:05.336
report in the make good happen federal

00:33:05.360 --> 00:33:07.736
campaign all done and dusted um the

00:33:07.760 --> 00:33:10.760
inquiry into local government funding um

00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.799
the government response there um not

00:33:14.159 --> 00:33:16.696
great in a context of the map

00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:19.720
submission. So um Kings Lane Chinese.

00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.696
Yeah, that was so sorry to see that. And

00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.655
the temple in your ward we're

00:33:25.679 --> 00:33:27.255
actually having our next KAC meeting

00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.336
there, multicultural advisory advisory

00:33:29.360 --> 00:33:31.816
committee. So so um they're they're part

00:33:31.840 --> 00:33:34.840
of our our committee happenings here. Um

00:33:37.679 --> 00:33:40.679
yeah, what else can I say? Um Black Dog

00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:42.856
supporting as a council colleague does

00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.495
about the anything to support depression

00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.015
and suicide prevention is good. I'm

00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.015
right behind it. Um certainly I've been

00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.976
touch touched by that in my life and

00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.535
I I generally go on gives an old

00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:56.856
geriatric bikey on the black dog ride

00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.336
once or twice a year to raise money for

00:33:59.360 --> 00:34:02.360
the for the the cause. Um so thank you.

00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:06.535
Thank you councellor Lowid. councellor

00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:08.615
Pearce

00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.639
lucky last. Um it's been a busy month in

00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.135
Tail Ward. Um I attended ALGA between

00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.159
the 24th and 27th and my report will is

00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.135
attached but it is also I have got some

00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.776
further comments which will be later on.

00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.176
I did attend the business tree days with

00:34:25.200 --> 00:34:26.936
council Lockwood, council Williams and

00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.960
deputy councellor deputy mayor sorry

00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.000
Glenn Atwell um where we planted a

00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:35.815
number of trees and yes shakur rather

00:34:35.839 --> 00:34:38.839
than cutting them down I planted them.

00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:41.960
On the 23rd, I met with um WA W W W W W

00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:43.095
W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W Wavely

00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:44.615
Retirement Village to discuss about

00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.639
their net space, their net gain space

00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:50.536
and the front of their um of the

00:34:50.560 --> 00:34:51.895
retirement village which they're trying

00:34:51.919 --> 00:34:54.296
to do up and that was a very fruitful

00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.095
discussion. On the 23rd, I also attended

00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.496
a meeting with Scouts Victoria, Simon

00:34:59.520 --> 00:35:02.520
Guilford, um, Ministerial Advisor to

00:35:02.640 --> 00:35:05.016
Victorian Government, Director Keller,

00:35:05.040 --> 00:35:08.040
Director Tortly, and Jason McNelte. Got

00:35:09.040 --> 00:35:12.040
it right. Got it. To discuss regarding

00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:16.119
um the scout sleepovers, the discussions

00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.216
were feral

00:35:18.240 --> 00:35:20.216
and further matter further

00:35:20.240 --> 00:35:21.976
discussions will be undertaken. We're

00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.216
not that far apart. But we've just got

00:35:24.240 --> 00:35:27.240
to get there hopefully. Um I've also

00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:28.856
been contacted by various residents

00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.880
concerning footpaths, trees, waste,

00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.920
trees, bird life, and more trees. So um

00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.656
which I've now raised will be raising

00:35:39.680 --> 00:35:42.296
with appropriate officers. That's all

00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.055
from me.

00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:47.079
Thank you, councellor Pearce. Um I'm

00:35:47.200 --> 00:35:48.696
lucky last.

00:35:48.720 --> 00:35:50.856
I'm sorry.

00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.416
No, that's okay. this evening I might um

00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.815
submit a report. I have a very light

00:35:55.839 --> 00:35:58.839
month to report on. Sadly um in the

00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.575
middle of this month my father passed

00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.599
away and um obviously we had his funeral

00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.896
which followed. What I really do want to

00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.216
say tonight is um thank you to our

00:36:10.240 --> 00:36:11.976
community members and members here at

00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.696
council for your condolences. And I

00:36:14.720 --> 00:36:16.776
especially want to thank um our deputy

00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:19.095
mayor councellor Atwell. he's really

00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.016
stepped up in this last couple of weeks

00:36:21.040 --> 00:36:23.335
and attended in my place and I really do

00:36:23.359 --> 00:36:26.296
appreciate that support at this time and

00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:28.616
the same with yourself councellor Baker

00:36:28.640 --> 00:36:30.296
um there was an event I was supposed to

00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.376
attend to in councellor Baker's ward and

00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:34.376
she took over for me as well so thank

00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.256
you so much um the rest I might submit

00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.280
in a report at a later date thank you so

00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.480
we might move on to item six planning

00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.000
matters so item 6.1

00:36:47.200 --> 00:36:48.936
 report of planning The applications

00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.416
decided under delegation from the 1st of

00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.440
June 2025 to the 30th of June 2025.

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Would a counsellor like to move a motion?

00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.880
Sorry.

00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.815
councellor Williams, you happy to move

00:37:03.839 --> 00:37:05.416
that? I saw your hand in the corner of

00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.440
my eye. And councellor Baker. Yeah, thank

00:37:08.560 --> 00:37:10.456
you. councellor Williams, are you moving

00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:12.136
the recommendation?

00:37:12.160 --> 00:37:14.296
, yes, moving the recommendation. just

00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.320
very quickly um 55 different approvals

00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.256
of different kinds and quite a bit in

00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.335
pretty much every single ward. So um

00:37:21.359 --> 00:37:22.936
congratulations to the officers for

00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.496
doing a um amazing job as they do.

00:37:25.520 --> 00:37:28.055
Thank you. councellor Baker, would any

00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:29.896
other counsellor like to speak to the

00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:31.656
report?

00:37:31.680 --> 00:37:34.680
councellor. Yeah, sure. Council Pearce,

00:37:36.160 --> 00:37:37.896
the minor grants report. It was really

00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.536
good that we got um the deferral from

00:37:40.560 --> 00:37:42.616
for two weeks. No, no. We're talking

00:37:42.640 --> 00:37:44.696
about the planning up at 6.1.

00:37:44.720 --> 00:37:46.456
Oh, sorry. No, I don't have anything for

00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:47.176
that.

00:37:47.200 --> 00:37:49.656
Thank you. That was like a real fast

00:37:49.680 --> 00:37:52.680
forward in the evening.

00:37:55.359 --> 00:37:57.256
Would any other council like to speak to

00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.095
the motion? I'll put the motion. All

00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.496
those in favor, the motion is carried.

00:38:01.520 --> 00:38:03.896
Thank you. So, we're going to move on to

00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.136
item seven, which is our public question

00:38:06.160 --> 00:38:07.416
time.

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Council allocates 30 minutes to consider

00:38:10.240 --> 00:38:12.696
questions from the community. I'd like

00:38:12.720 --> 00:38:14.536
to take this opportunity to remind

00:38:14.560 --> 00:38:16.696
everyone that public question time is

00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:19.656
not your only opportunity to engage with

00:38:19.680 --> 00:38:22.136
council. If you have questions, I

00:38:22.160 --> 00:38:24.136
encourage you to consider contacting

00:38:24.160 --> 00:38:26.055
council through our usual channels,

00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:27.896
including through our customer service

00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.920
team or via our website. I would also

00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.256
encourage everyone to make the most of

00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:35.656
our have your say page to access

00:38:35.680 --> 00:38:38.216
information about current projects and

00:38:38.240 --> 00:38:40.376
to submit questions or provide feedback

00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.256
on those projects. Our protocols for

00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.016
submitting and considering public

00:38:45.040 --> 00:38:46.936
questions are set out in council's

00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.095
governance rules which include an

00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.176
opportunity for submitters to lodge a

00:38:51.200 --> 00:38:53.656
maximum of two questions and for

00:38:53.680 --> 00:38:55.575
submitters to speak to their questions

00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.599
for up to two minutes. Copies of all

00:38:58.720 --> 00:39:01.016
questions submitted are circulated to

00:39:01.040 --> 00:39:04.040
councellors in full, inclusive of any

00:39:04.240 --> 00:39:07.095
commentary. Before we move to questions,

00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:09.176
I'll remind submitters that this is an

00:39:09.200 --> 00:39:11.335
opportunity to introduce the questions

00:39:11.359 --> 00:39:14.136
you have already submitted and not an

00:39:14.160 --> 00:39:16.376
opportunity to participate in debate or

00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.176
an opportunity to change or add to the

00:39:19.200 --> 00:39:20.776
questions that you have already

00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.800
submitted. By choosing to participate,

00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.376
submitters acknowledge that your name,

00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.776
submissions, and your images are being

00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.656
captured and may be broadcast in the

00:39:31.680 --> 00:39:34.680
live stream and the recording. I also

00:39:34.720 --> 00:39:36.456
remind you that you are personally

00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.856
responsible for your own comments and

00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.656
therefore may be personally liable for

00:39:41.680 --> 00:39:44.680
any loss or damage they may cause. I

00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:47.176
would also like to ask that respect be

00:39:47.200 --> 00:39:49.416
afforded to all participants and that

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.896
the gallery remains silent when people

00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:54.055
are speaking.

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So we'll now move on to our questions

00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.176
for this evening. Question one we have

00:39:59.200 --> 00:40:01.815
from Bernie Hoffer. Would you like to

00:40:01.839 --> 00:40:04.839
come forward Bernie?

00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.496
He's not here.

00:40:07.520 --> 00:40:09.575
Okay.

00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.599
I might read out the question. Given we

00:40:12.720 --> 00:40:14.936
are experiencing much development

00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.416
whereby residents cars are spilling onto

00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:20.216
the streets as permanent parking even

00:40:20.240 --> 00:40:22.696
though planning or to cater for enough

00:40:22.720 --> 00:40:25.720
parking. This is now on public land at

00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.760
no cost to the car owner. Private

00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.880
parking in CBD can cost 100,000 per

00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:35.095
parking space. Has the council

00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:38.119
considered permit parking? And secondly,

00:40:38.160 --> 00:40:41.160
will bylaws police respond to increasing

00:40:41.680 --> 00:40:44.616
illegal parking on corners and other

00:40:44.640 --> 00:40:46.936
dangerous blind spots where a solid

00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.960
white line is marked, hence parking,

00:40:50.240 --> 00:40:52.376
hence sorry, making it illegal to park

00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:55.335
there. It is causing accidents as per

00:40:55.359 --> 00:40:58.295
recent incident on Western Road. We want

00:40:58.319 --> 00:41:01.319
our roads to be safe to navigate on. Um

00:41:01.520 --> 00:41:04.136
I would like to direct this question to

00:41:04.160 --> 00:41:06.456
U director of city livability Matt

00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.295
Kellaher. Thank you.

00:41:08.319 --> 00:41:10.456
 through you madam mayor. Thank you

00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.095
for your question Mr. Hoer. There are a

00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:14.536
number of points that have been been

00:41:14.560 --> 00:41:15.815
included in your question. So the

00:41:15.839 --> 00:41:17.496
response focuses on parking permit

00:41:17.520 --> 00:41:19.656
schemes where the council patrols

00:41:19.680 --> 00:41:21.016
Western Road and whether that leads to

00:41:21.040 --> 00:41:22.536
changes in line parking, parking

00:41:22.560 --> 00:41:24.376
restrictions and the like. So, as a

00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:25.815
note, the car parking requirements for

00:41:25.839 --> 00:41:27.575
new development, including residential

00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.295
development, a statewide control set by

00:41:30.319 --> 00:41:31.416
the state government in the planning

00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.440
schemes. Knox Council, um, like all

00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.616
other councils, is not in a position to

00:41:36.640 --> 00:41:38.376
require more car parking than specified

00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:41.176
by the planning scheme. Residents can

00:41:41.200 --> 00:41:42.936
currently park on street for free in

00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.496
Knox. Council is unlikely to introduce a

00:41:45.520 --> 00:41:47.335
fee or permit system to allow residents

00:41:47.359 --> 00:41:48.616
to park in their street where it is

00:41:48.640 --> 00:41:51.335
otherwise legal and safe. Council does

00:41:51.359 --> 00:41:53.976
patrol Western Road in Bronia. noting it

00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.815
has a crest and a further crest at a

00:41:55.839 --> 00:41:58.295
bend. Officers periodically patrol

00:41:58.319 --> 00:42:00.295
Western Road and also attend to the area

00:42:00.319 --> 00:42:02.376
in response to complaints. For the

00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:03.976
previous financial year, council has

00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:05.976
received nine service requests to attend

00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.216
to illegal parking. It has subsequently

00:42:08.240 --> 00:42:10.295
issued 20 infringements for a variety of

00:42:10.319 --> 00:42:12.536
road rule offenses.

00:42:12.560 --> 00:42:14.616
Western Road is on council's local area

00:42:14.640 --> 00:42:16.456
traffic management program for future

00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:18.776
traffic management devices. However,

00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:20.376
there are quite a few streets ahead of

00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:22.856
it on the priority list. The traffic and

00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:24.536
transport team will continue to monitor

00:42:24.560 --> 00:42:26.216
Western Road and if traffic

00:42:26.240 --> 00:42:28.616
circumstances change, its priority on

00:42:28.640 --> 00:42:31.176
that program will be reviewed. Council's

00:42:31.200 --> 00:42:32.616
parking enforcement and traffic and

00:42:32.640 --> 00:42:34.936
transport teams meet regularly and share

00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:36.776
feedback about what they encounter in

00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:38.936
delivering their services to continually

00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:40.456
improve parking and traffic management

00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:42.536
across Knox.

00:42:42.560 --> 00:42:45.560
Thank you. Our second question is

00:42:47.200 --> 00:42:50.200
from Lisa Kjenvich

00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:53.416
wasn't going to get on. Would you like

00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.376
to come forward please?

00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:56.936
Okay.

00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:58.856
You just need to come to the podium to

00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.880
to the microphone.

00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.216
Will Knox please insist that the recent

00:43:08.240 --> 00:43:10.776
report to animal aid board cited by the

00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.335
Herald Sun be released to council and to

00:43:13.359 --> 00:43:15.815
the public? Welfare concerns were

00:43:15.839 --> 00:43:18.055
reported by residents in the Herald Sun

00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.079
July 6, 2025.

00:43:21.359 --> 00:43:24.359
Also in the Fry Gully Star Mail July 15,

00:43:25.040 --> 00:43:27.335
2025,

00:43:27.359 --> 00:43:30.359
animal aid has reported $322,774

00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.400
um current debt with contracts to eight

00:43:37.839 --> 00:43:40.839
councils. If Knox accepts animal aid

00:43:41.040 --> 00:43:43.656
denials, I'm very concerned as a

00:43:43.680 --> 00:43:46.616
registered Knox dog and cat owner and an

00:43:46.640 --> 00:43:49.016
as an animal lover.

00:43:49.040 --> 00:43:52.040
Okay. So um you now have two minutes to

00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:53.575
speak to your question if you would like

00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:56.599
to expand further.

00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.800
In Star Mail, former animal aid staff

00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.000
said since the current CO CEO took over,

00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.376
he didn't want any dogs or cats to go

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.400
out to rescues. I pleaded, why can't we

00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:14.440
use rescues instead of euthanizing?

00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.480
response. Well, if we can't rehome the

00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.536
dog here, we're not going to pass on our

00:44:20.560 --> 00:44:23.560
problems, so we'll use so we will

00:44:23.680 --> 00:44:26.680
euthanize them. An older husky was

00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:28.856
marked for put to sleep straight away

00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.335
without vet check because it looked

00:44:31.359 --> 00:44:34.359
elderly. There are countless cases. When

00:44:35.040 --> 00:44:37.335
staff left, they often took dogs with

00:44:37.359 --> 00:44:40.055
them as they were fails.

00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.079
Um, one of um hang on, fails. One of the

00:44:44.319 --> 00:44:47.319
main issues was overcrowding. Photos

00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:50.216
obtained by the Herald Sun shows cats

00:44:50.240 --> 00:44:52.936
living in cramped cages without adequate

00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.960
food and water with bowls overturned or

00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.079
empty. Images also show cats on bedding

00:44:59.839 --> 00:45:02.696
soaked with feces and urine. The report

00:45:02.720 --> 00:45:05.176
alleged that on some occasion cats were

00:45:05.200 --> 00:45:08.200
fed only one tablespoon of wet food

00:45:08.720 --> 00:45:11.720
daily. A kitten with a serious head

00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:14.696
injury went unnoticed,

00:45:14.720 --> 00:45:17.720
untreated, and died.

00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.496
Thank you for your question. Um, I might

00:45:21.520 --> 00:45:24.520
refer your question to our director of

00:45:24.560 --> 00:45:27.560
city livability, um, Matt Keller.

00:45:28.240 --> 00:45:29.575
, through you, madam mayor. Thank you

00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.736
for your question, Lisa., in response

00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.575
to council's pound services provider,

00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:35.976
animal aid. So council is aware of the

00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.736
allegations that have been made against

00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.896
 practices in the management of cats

00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:41.496
and kittens at the animal aid shelter in

00:45:41.520 --> 00:45:43.656
Coldstream. Council takes these

00:45:43.680 --> 00:45:46.376
allegations seriously and is engaged

00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:48.055
with the animal aid board and management

00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:50.856
to seek a satisfactory response. As part

00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:52.696
of its assurances, animal aid is

00:45:52.720 --> 00:45:54.295
currently completing an internal audit

00:45:54.319 --> 00:45:56.616
in response to the allegations and has

00:45:56.640 --> 00:45:58.216
advised that they will act on any

00:45:58.240 --> 00:46:00.456
improvements that are identified.

00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.376
Council is awaiting the outcome of the

00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:04.696
audit and its next steps.

00:46:04.720 --> 00:46:06.776
Animal Aid have also requested Yara

00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:08.295
Rangers Council to undertake an

00:46:08.319 --> 00:46:09.896
independent audit of their catery

00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:12.456
operations as they are the responsible

00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.480
regulator. As the issuer of animal aid's

00:46:15.680 --> 00:46:17.815
domestic animal business license, it's

00:46:17.839 --> 00:46:19.656
appropriate that Yara Rangers council

00:46:19.680 --> 00:46:21.736
undertake this review. It should be

00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:23.256
noted, however, that an audit and

00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:24.856
renewal of the domestic animal business

00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.575
license occurred recently in April with

00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:30.536
no issues raised at that time. Given

00:46:30.560 --> 00:46:32.376
that the allegations made were addressed

00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:34.776
to the board of directors at animal aid,

00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:36.456
requests for a copy of the allegation

00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.480
should be made directly to animal aid.

00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:43.976
Thank you. Lucy, you have a second

00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:45.575
question. Would you like to ask your

00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.599
second question?

00:46:48.640 --> 00:46:51.256
In the last financial year, how much has

00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.136
Knox paid to animal aid, including

00:46:54.160 --> 00:46:56.856
separate itemized totals for euthanasia

00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:59.880
of cats, of dogs, and the cost charged

00:47:00.560 --> 00:47:02.776
per animal?

00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:04.456
You've got two minutes to speak to your

00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:06.136
question if you would like to expand

00:47:06.160 --> 00:47:06.776
further.

00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:07.256
No.

00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.736
Okay. I'll refer your question again to

00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:12.760
Director Callaher.

00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:14.776
Through you, madame mayor. Thanks. The

00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.800
second question, Lisa, for the 2425

00:47:18.240 --> 00:47:20.856
financial year period, Knox paid animal

00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.815
aid 173,600,

00:47:23.839 --> 00:47:26.376
sorry, $173,600

00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.176
GST exclusive for the pound services

00:47:29.200 --> 00:47:30.776
contract, which is the minimum annual

00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.095
value of that contract. This figure

00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:35.976
excludes animal cost for animals held

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.976
for seizure and our after hours

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:40.696
collection service. Animal aid charged

00:47:40.720 --> 00:47:43.720
Knox $186.50 50 per impounded animal.

00:47:44.720 --> 00:47:47.656
That's GST exclusive u for both cats and

00:47:47.680 --> 00:47:50.680
dogs. This fee is per incoming animal.

00:47:50.720 --> 00:47:52.696
There are no separated charges relating

00:47:52.720 --> 00:47:55.335
to euthanasia or other animal outcomes.

00:47:55.359 --> 00:47:58.359
So, it's a standard figure.

00:47:59.040 --> 00:48:02.040
Thank you for your questions.

00:48:04.240 --> 00:48:07.240
Our next question is from Timothy King

00:48:07.359 --> 00:48:10.359
Cotter.

00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:14.776
Hi,

00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:15.736
thank you very much.

00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:17.496
Would you like to ask your question?

00:48:17.520 --> 00:48:20.520
Yeah. So, my question is regarding

00:48:20.640 --> 00:48:22.295
the Christmas activity which we can

00:48:22.319 --> 00:48:25.016
clearly see going on here tonight.

00:48:25.040 --> 00:48:27.335
and I wanted to ask how can the council

00:48:27.359 --> 00:48:29.416
actively engage local community groups

00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:31.575
to get their feedback and thoughts on

00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:33.256
the topic going around at the moment of

00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.575
Christmas spirit and decorations in

00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:38.599
public spaces this year.

00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:40.616
you've got two minutes to speak to your

00:48:40.640 --> 00:48:41.976
question if you would like to.

00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.055
Fantastic. Thank you. So the reason this

00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:46.535
has come up and I wanted to raise

00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:49.559
this was my father as a small business

00:48:49.839 --> 00:48:52.376
owner owned one turn fruit shop for

00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.176
about 10 years and Christmas week for

00:48:55.200 --> 00:48:56.776
many of these small business traders is

00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:58.376
their busiest year of the busiest week

00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:00.136
of the year. They rely on this to

00:49:00.160 --> 00:49:03.160
actually make a living and um it it was

00:49:04.160 --> 00:49:05.656
a significant time of year for these

00:49:05.680 --> 00:49:08.535
small business owners. What we find is

00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:11.016
 when there is a lack of support or a

00:49:11.040 --> 00:49:14.040
lack of decoration so forth um out front

00:49:14.240 --> 00:49:15.656
of the shop and it's relying purely on

00:49:15.680 --> 00:49:17.736
what's going on within the within the

00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:19.416
environment. We're competing here at

00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:20.856
local council with the likes of

00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.416
Westfield and Westfield have pretty deep

00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:25.335
pockets and pretty amazing decorations

00:49:25.359 --> 00:49:26.776
and the spirit that they're giving their

00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:28.936
traders is significantly better than

00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:31.736
what small business owners are getting.

00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:33.815
And years ago when my father did own

00:49:33.839 --> 00:49:35.736
the fruit shop as I said in one turn

00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.136
mall we would see a fantastic Christmas

00:49:38.160 --> 00:49:40.456
spirit there and it really lifted

00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:42.376
trade for the small business owners in

00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:44.696
that region and I'm a worried that as

00:49:44.720 --> 00:49:46.696
that has now been removed or as we don't

00:49:46.720 --> 00:49:48.696
have the decoration that we are taking

00:49:48.720 --> 00:49:50.055
from small business owners the

00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:53.079
opportunity to really um maximize the

00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.335
profit that they can make from that time

00:49:55.359 --> 00:49:56.856
of year.

00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.016
Thank you for your question. I'll now

00:49:59.040 --> 00:50:02.040
refer your question to um director of

00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:05.079
city livability, Matt Keller.

00:50:06.240 --> 00:50:07.896
 through you, Madame Mayor. Thanks for

00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.376
your questions this evening, Timothy,

00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:12.776
regarding Christmas decorations. Council

00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:14.535
will consider a report later this

00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:16.136
evening that has been prepared in

00:50:16.160 --> 00:50:17.736
response to a notice of motion adopted

00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.136
by council. Council's governance rule

00:50:20.160 --> 00:50:21.575
set some limitations for how much

00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:23.176
officer time can be dedicated to

00:50:23.200 --> 00:50:25.016
responding to a notice of motion. So

00:50:25.040 --> 00:50:26.776
engagement to date has needed to be

00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.800
targeted as the focus of the notice of

00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.535
motion was to support council's sorry

00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:34.295
Knox's local businesses and activity

00:50:34.319 --> 00:50:36.535
centers. Officers have engaged with the

00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.616
experienced Knox business working group

00:50:38.640 --> 00:50:40.535
chairperson and vice chairperson to seek

00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:42.456
their views on a potential pilot

00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.335
initiative for 2025 um in response to

00:50:45.359 --> 00:50:47.095
the notice of motion and to support

00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:49.575
council's deliberations tonight. The

00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.335
experienced Knox business working group

00:50:51.359 --> 00:50:53.496
was established in late 2024 and

00:50:53.520 --> 00:50:55.575
represents local traders and activity

00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:57.656
centers in Knox. The working group has

00:50:57.680 --> 00:50:59.335
been established to support and lead

00:50:59.359 --> 00:51:01.416
promotion and activation of Knox's

00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:02.616
activity centers as part of an

00:51:02.640 --> 00:51:04.776
initiative of the Knox retail activation

00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.335
strategy. Council officers have also

00:51:07.359 --> 00:51:08.936
engaged with some community groups and

00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.016
associations such as the men's sheds and

00:51:11.040 --> 00:51:12.456
Lions Club about the interest and

00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.456
capacity to support the roll out of any

00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.295
potential Christmas decoration program

00:51:16.319 --> 00:51:19.176
if that's what council resolves to do.

00:51:19.200 --> 00:51:21.335
Um the notice of motion is also intended

00:51:21.359 --> 00:51:22.696
to present options for a Christmas

00:51:22.720 --> 00:51:25.016
decoration program only. Council has not

00:51:25.040 --> 00:51:26.856
yet made a decision or allocated budget

00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.575
towards program. Um even though I can

00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.599
see that some councellors are excited um

00:51:32.640 --> 00:51:34.856
for this year as an ongoing program.

00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:36.216
Further engagement may be something

00:51:36.240 --> 00:51:39.016
council considers in the future.

00:51:39.040 --> 00:51:40.856
Thank you. You have a second question.

00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:41.736
Would you like to ask?

00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:43.335
I'm happy to withdraw that for now. I

00:51:43.359 --> 00:51:44.535
think that's covered everything.

00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.559
Yeah, fair enough. Thank you.

00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.760
Okay, that brings us um to the end of

00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:53.736
public question time.

00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.216
The next item for discussion on our

00:51:56.240 --> 00:51:59.240
agenda is item 8.1, leasing and

00:51:59.520 --> 00:52:02.295
licensing policy. councellor Duncan, you

00:52:02.319 --> 00:52:03.976
have a transparency statement you would

00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:05.815
like to make.

00:52:05.839 --> 00:52:08.216
Yes. Thank you, Mayor., as I'm a

00:52:08.240 --> 00:52:09.815
member of the executive management team

00:52:09.839 --> 00:52:11.736
at a local club that leases a facility

00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.416
from council, I feel the need to make

00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:14.856
this declaration in the interest of

00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:17.176
openness and transparency. In saying

00:52:17.200 --> 00:52:19.016
this, I do not see anything within

00:52:19.040 --> 00:52:21.416
within the report that would be declared

00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:23.736
deemed a conflict of interest and my

00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:25.416
involvement in the discussions would not

00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:27.496
have any bearing on or special benefit

00:52:27.520 --> 00:52:29.976
for my club above those of any other le

00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:31.976
of a council facility. So on those

00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:33.575
grounds, I'm making this transparency

00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:35.815
declaration that I do not have a

00:52:35.839 --> 00:52:38.055
conflict of interest. Thank you,

00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:39.416
councellor Outwwell. I believe you have

00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:40.856
an alternate that you would like to

00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:43.656
table this evening. Would you like to um

00:52:43.680 --> 00:52:44.856
I think we're going to get that up on

00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:47.496
the screen and then yeah, if you could

00:52:47.520 --> 00:52:49.736
um if you could read out your alternate

00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.760
motion, please.

00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:56.055
You can start reading it out now if

00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:56.535
you'd like.

00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:58.216
Thank you, mayor. there is an

00:52:58.240 --> 00:53:00.936
alternate um that was circulated in my

00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:03.960
name um and it adds adds a a

00:53:06.240 --> 00:53:09.240
change to two on the recommendation

00:53:09.359 --> 00:53:12.055
and adds a new third point. so it

00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:14.776
retains that we the feedback is

00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:16.295
received on the draft leasing and

00:53:16.319 --> 00:53:18.856
licensing policy at attachment one

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.256
and that two council adopt the revised

00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.496
leasing and licensing policy as set out

00:53:23.520 --> 00:53:26.520
in attachment to um subject to and

00:53:27.200 --> 00:53:28.936
this is the the alternate subject to

00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.736
updating section 7 delegations to

00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:34.136
require any agreement with a teny

00:53:34.160 --> 00:53:36.616
exceeding 4 years be referred to

00:53:36.640 --> 00:53:39.640
council for decision. Um and as a

00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.920
further point um to receive a report

00:53:43.200 --> 00:53:44.936
to council to a council meeting no later

00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.960
than 24th November 2025 summarizing the

00:53:48.720 --> 00:53:49.976
advantages and disadvantages of

00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:52.295
establishing ground leases where other

00:53:52.319 --> 00:53:54.376
parties own a building. What alternative

00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:56.295
approaches could be considered

00:53:56.319 --> 00:53:58.456
including a review of the approach of

00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:00.136
other councils.

00:54:00.160 --> 00:54:03.160
Thank you. Do we have a second?

00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.440
Um thank you councellor Pearce. councellor

00:54:07.200 --> 00:54:08.936
Atwell, would you like to speak to the

00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:09.496
motion?

00:54:09.520 --> 00:54:11.976
, yes. Thank you, Mayor. Um, and just

00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.136
note, thank you, councellor Pearce, for

00:54:14.160 --> 00:54:16.136
for seconding. The third point was as a

00:54:16.160 --> 00:54:18.776
result of some discussion we had

00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:21.416
around the alternate. So, I'll speak

00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:23.896
mostly to two and I I know councellor

00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:25.095
Pearce might speak in a little more

00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:27.656
detail around the the rationale for.3,

00:54:27.680 --> 00:54:29.815
which I was very happy to to receive and

00:54:29.839 --> 00:54:32.055
include on on the alternate that's been

00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:34.535
circulated. And I think um yeah probably

00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.335
what at the heart of the alternate way

00:54:37.359 --> 00:54:40.359
here is seeking a middle ground where um

00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.295
at the at at this point in time the

00:54:42.319 --> 00:54:44.936
current state in terms of of delegations

00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.960
is that all proposed leases come to

00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:51.000
council for consideration. Um so the

00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:52.776
offer the original officer

00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.256
recommendation as is um outlined on the

00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:58.280
bottom bottom of page 13 was um to seek

00:54:59.359 --> 00:55:02.295
to um delegate the authority for dealing

00:55:02.319 --> 00:55:04.136
with those leases to the CEO when the

00:55:04.160 --> 00:55:07.160
initial term is 10 years or more. Um

00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:10.696
so I think four years you know seeks to

00:55:10.720 --> 00:55:13.416
find a bit of a middle ground is perhaps

00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.055
an iterative step in going from the

00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:17.416
current state which is everything coming

00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:19.815
to council and and considering

00:55:19.839 --> 00:55:22.456
delegations to the CEO that would allow

00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.095
the CEO to to deal with and decide upon

00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:26.696
um lease agreements where the initial

00:55:26.720 --> 00:55:29.720
term is 10 years or more. So um and I I

00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:32.376
accept as is outlined on on page 13 that

00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:34.216
part of the part of that recommendation

00:55:34.240 --> 00:55:36.535
was about reducing the administrative

00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:39.095
burden, improving efficiency when it

00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.736
comes to working through lease

00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.696
agreements. Um and I think the you know

00:55:44.720 --> 00:55:46.856
the alternate in in specifying four

00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:49.880
years um allows council to find some

00:55:50.720 --> 00:55:53.095
efficiency um in terms of that

00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:55.976
delegation. Um but it really allows

00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:58.055
council to maintain strategic management

00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.616
and manage long-term risk that is

00:56:00.640 --> 00:56:03.640
associated with long-term leases. Um I

00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.856
am very supportive of of reducing

00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:08.376
administrative burden when it makes

00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.095
sense, but um delegating authority for

00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:13.976
leases up to a decade risks locking

00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.535
 current and future councils into

00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.936
into binding agreements that we we know

00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:20.936
from experience can be very difficult to

00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:23.960
break. So, um I think 4 years is a is a

00:56:24.240 --> 00:56:26.535
sensible first step. Um and who knows

00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:28.295
over time it may be that we end up at

00:56:28.319 --> 00:56:31.016
the 10 year um at the 10-year point as

00:56:31.040 --> 00:56:33.335
was originally proposed, but I think

00:56:33.359 --> 00:56:35.095
it's sensible to take this first step.

00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.575
We see how we go. Um and then and then

00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.599
check back in. So, um hopefully

00:56:41.200 --> 00:56:43.575
councellors see the see the rationale

00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.295
there. Um and I'd commend the

00:56:46.319 --> 00:56:49.319
alternate um to council.

00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.335
Thank you, councellor. Um, councellor

00:56:51.359 --> 00:56:52.936
Pearce.

00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:55.960
Okay. I'm just going to speak regarding

00:56:56.079 --> 00:56:58.535
three if that's all right.

00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.335
Um, of the leasing and licing policy.

00:57:01.359 --> 00:57:04.359
The amendment is in regards to um

00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:08.136
policies where we only rent out the

00:57:08.160 --> 00:57:10.295
building. Oh, not the building when we

00:57:10.319 --> 00:57:12.216
only rent out the land and the part

00:57:12.240 --> 00:57:15.095
community group owns the building. Under

00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:18.119
local government act, as council, we are

00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:20.216
required to only enact laws that

00:57:20.240 --> 00:57:22.616
consider to be fair and equitable. In

00:57:22.640 --> 00:57:24.376
regards to the leasing policy, how can

00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:26.055
it be fair and equitable to charge

00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:29.079
community groups the same rent for the

00:57:29.359 --> 00:57:31.896
for leasing land and buildings as when

00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:34.775
they're only being leasing land? It is

00:57:34.799 --> 00:57:36.295
not fair or equitable to charge

00:57:36.319 --> 00:57:38.216
community groups who maintain their own

00:57:38.240 --> 00:57:41.016
buildings as another group who leases

00:57:41.040 --> 00:57:44.040
the landed buildings and we maintain the

00:57:44.240 --> 00:57:47.240
buildings. The community groups who owns

00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.295
these pro these buildings bear all

00:57:50.319 --> 00:57:52.616
the cost whereas the buildings being

00:57:52.640 --> 00:57:55.640
leased they do not. On this basis of

00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:57.736
equity, I feel that council needs to

00:57:57.760 --> 00:57:59.656
look into ground leases and the

00:57:59.680 --> 00:58:01.095
consequences of these type of

00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:03.656
arrangements and to report back to

00:58:03.680 --> 00:58:06.616
councellors. I ask councellors to approve

00:58:06.640 --> 00:58:09.640
this amendment. Thank you. Thank you,

00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:11.496
councellor Pearce. Would any other

00:58:11.520 --> 00:58:13.736
councellor like to speak to the alternate

00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.055
motion? Thank you, councellor councellor

00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.216
Kennet and then I'll come back to you.

00:58:18.240 --> 00:58:20.456
Thank you.

00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.416
Thank you, Madame Mayor. um I support

00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:26.440
operational efficiency and so for for

00:58:26.640 --> 00:58:29.496
that reason alone I'm happy to um

00:58:29.520 --> 00:58:32.136
support the alternate motion. What I'd

00:58:32.160 --> 00:58:34.936
like um council to consider and

00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:36.775
something that I don't think is very

00:58:36.799 --> 00:58:39.799
clear is a benefit of um extending

00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:44.119
leases beyond 5 years um such as a

00:58:44.799 --> 00:58:46.775
commitment to infrastructure investment

00:58:46.799 --> 00:58:48.936
and how we work with our community

00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:51.960
groups to do that. We have been talking

00:58:53.359 --> 00:58:56.216
um about the financial position of

00:58:56.240 --> 00:58:58.216
council and acknowledging that there's a

00:58:58.240 --> 00:59:00.295
number of constraints that are outside

00:59:00.319 --> 00:59:03.319
of our control. So these type of

00:59:03.359 --> 00:59:06.359
initiatives need some deeper thought. Um

00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:08.936
I'd like to see a more strategic review

00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:11.736
of the optimization of council assets

00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.136
that are managed beyond just community

00:59:14.160 --> 00:59:17.160
benefit. Um and without identifying this

00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.416
at this point, locking council into

00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:22.440
longerterm leases further than that

00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:24.535
four or five years could jeopardize any

00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.335
future plans um where we could see some

00:59:27.359 --> 00:59:29.095
benefit in working with our community

00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:32.119
groups. So um I also commend and support

00:59:33.359 --> 00:59:35.095
 the alternate motion tonight.

00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:35.575
Thank you.

00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:36.535
Thank you.

00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:39.256
Um councellor Duncan, you had a question.

00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:40.616
Oh yeah, it was just a quick question.

00:59:40.640 --> 00:59:42.136
Obviously, we've had a lot of discussion

00:59:42.160 --> 00:59:43.896
with this with with councellor Pearson,

00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:45.575
specifically with the situation with the

00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:47.656
scouts that own the building that's

00:59:47.680 --> 00:59:50.136
on our land. Just wondering who would be

00:59:50.160 --> 00:59:51.815
best to answer the question as to what

00:59:51.839 --> 00:59:53.656
other community groups do we have who

00:59:53.680 --> 00:59:55.496
are in that same situation where they

00:59:55.520 --> 00:59:58.520
own the building on our land within

00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:02.760
I might refer that question to our um

01:00:03.359 --> 01:00:06.359
chief financial officer Nec Lin.

01:00:08.640 --> 01:00:11.575
 through you mayor. So,, two

01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:13.656
examples we have of that, councellor

01:00:13.680 --> 01:00:16.680
Duncan, is the Knox Dog obedience club,

01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:20.599
, and also the Bazewater CFA.

01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.496
Thank you. Would any other council like

01:00:25.520 --> 01:00:28.376
to speak to the motion?

01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:31.400
No.

01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.176
No.

01:00:33.200 --> 01:00:36.200
Okay. Um I'm I'm sort of I don't I don't

01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:39.815
mind I don't mind supporting um my

01:00:39.839 --> 01:00:41.575
council colleagues in terms of the

01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:43.335
information that they're they're looking

01:00:43.359 --> 01:00:46.055
for. I think it it will um obviously put

01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:48.775
more items on our agendas and they'll be

01:00:48.799 --> 01:00:51.095
um sort of we we'll see that

01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:52.696
reflected in our issues briefing

01:00:52.720 --> 01:00:55.720
potentially and in our agendas. But I

01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:58.295
like that um you're looking at things

01:00:58.319 --> 01:01:00.856
from a you know through a strategic lens

01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:02.936
and that you're aligning it with you

01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:04.535
know you're saying four four years

01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:07.559
onwards um well council terms of four

01:01:07.839 --> 01:01:10.376
years. So I like how it can coincide

01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.216
with the strategic direction of what

01:01:12.240 --> 01:01:15.095
coun the council of the day is. Um and I

01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:16.696
certainly like the point that councellor

01:01:16.720 --> 01:01:19.095
Kennet made in regards to long-term

01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:21.256
asset planning. So that's I think that

01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:24.280
that's really important as well. So, um

01:01:24.319 --> 01:01:26.295
I I think I'm happy to support this

01:01:26.319 --> 01:01:29.095
motion. councellor Atwell, would you

01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:31.095
like to exercise your right of reply?

01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:33.815
No. Okay. I'll now put the motion. All

01:01:33.839 --> 01:01:36.839
those in favor? The motion is carried.

01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:39.880
Thank you.

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Okay. We're now moving on to item 8.2,

01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.280
storm water asset management plan. Do we

01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:49.880
have um would council like to move a

01:01:50.319 --> 01:01:52.055
motion? the recommendation. councellor

01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.079
Baker. Thank you. Do we have a seconder?

01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:57.656
Thank you, councellor Pearce.,

01:01:57.680 --> 01:01:59.335
councellor Baker, would you like to speak

01:01:59.359 --> 01:02:01.016
to the motion? Thank you. I'll keep it

01:02:01.040 --> 01:02:03.016
very brief. Mayor Cooper, I'd just like

01:02:03.040 --> 01:02:04.775
to thank the officers for a very

01:02:04.799 --> 01:02:06.696
detailed report with this storm water

01:02:06.720 --> 01:02:08.456
asset management plan. A lot of depth

01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:10.456
and a lot of work from reading this

01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:12.136
report has gone into it. So, thank you

01:02:12.160 --> 01:02:15.160
to the officers involved. Um, this storm

01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.256
water asset management plan, also known

01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:20.136
as SWAMP 2025, is an updated and

01:02:20.160 --> 01:02:22.216
important strategic document that

01:02:22.240 --> 01:02:24.696
outlines how Knox Council will manage,

01:02:24.720 --> 01:02:26.456
maintain, and invest its storm water

01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:28.616
infrastructure over the next 10 years.

01:02:28.640 --> 01:02:31.416
Um I do note in the in the report the

01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:33.416
social implica imp implications outlined

01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:35.976
in the report and that the report also

01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:37.896
seeks a recommendation for engagement

01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.920
purposes and as a result I will be

01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.976
seeking a recommendation for ad advocacy

01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:45.656
to other levels of government when this

01:02:45.680 --> 01:02:48.216
report returns to council for final

01:02:48.240 --> 01:02:50.456
consider consideration at a future

01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:53.480
meeting. So I do support this document

01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:55.815
going out for community consultation

01:02:55.839 --> 01:02:58.216
which is what the recommendations are

01:02:58.240 --> 01:03:00.936
asking of councellors and I will consider

01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:02.696
the feedback and the report when the

01:03:02.720 --> 01:03:04.216
report returns to a future council

01:03:04.240 --> 01:03:06.456
meeting. So thank you councellor Baker.

01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:07.896
councellor Pearce, would you like to

01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:10.055
speak to the motion?

01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:12.136
Yes, I would briefly. I just want to

01:03:12.160 --> 01:03:14.376
commend this report. It's I found it

01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:16.216
quite interesting because this is not an

01:03:16.240 --> 01:03:19.176
area that I know much about. Um, but

01:03:19.200 --> 01:03:22.200
hearing about the CTV that they're going

01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:24.456
to have going down the pipes to see when

01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:26.775
there's problems and the demarcation

01:03:26.799 --> 01:03:28.936
problems they have between what council

01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:31.015
property is and what your own property

01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:34.039
is, I found quite interesting and the

01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:36.376
officers who presented the report um

01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:38.696
should be commended cuz it was really

01:03:38.720 --> 01:03:41.335
well done. Um

01:03:41.359 --> 01:03:43.256
it it was a rather interesting report

01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:45.256
and I just found it really really

01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:47.256
important and I recommend that all my

01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:50.280
council colleagues have a read of it and

01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:53.015
basically approve this report.

01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:55.176
Thank you councellor Pearce. Would any

01:03:55.200 --> 01:03:56.856
other counsellor like to speak to the

01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:58.295
motion?

01:03:58.319 --> 01:03:59.656
Yes. Thank you councellor.

01:03:59.680 --> 01:04:02.136
 thank you mayor. Just briefly to

01:04:02.160 --> 01:04:04.136
yeah just comm I mean this is a 25page

01:04:04.160 --> 01:04:05.896
report. I think when I first opened the

01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:08.136
agenda, I was expecting, you know, maybe

01:04:08.160 --> 01:04:10.616
50 or 100 pages. And I mean, I probably

01:04:10.640 --> 01:04:12.616
would would venture on a limb to say we

01:04:12.640 --> 01:04:14.696
may struggle to engage a good

01:04:14.720 --> 01:04:15.976
cross-section of the community with

01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:18.936
this, but um it is a very readable

01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:20.456
document. And that was part of the um

01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:22.295
the intent of the reddrafting was to

01:04:22.319 --> 01:04:24.055
simplify it, make it more readable and

01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:26.456
and really break it down into um you

01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:28.696
know, explainer level conversation.

01:04:28.720 --> 01:04:30.696
So it's a very a very approachable

01:04:30.720 --> 01:04:33.176
document and when we push it out for

01:04:33.200 --> 01:04:35.015
for consultation I would encourage the

01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:37.095
community to yeah have a have a look

01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:38.616
engage with it. It's it's critically

01:04:38.640 --> 01:04:39.976
important. We don't see a lot of this

01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:41.976
stuff because it sits behind the

01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:43.736
scenes so to speak but yeah have a

01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:45.335
look at the plan and look forward to

01:04:45.359 --> 01:04:48.359
and welcome the feedback that will come.

01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:50.696
Thank you councellor Atwell. Would any

01:04:50.720 --> 01:04:52.295
other counsellor like to speak to the

01:04:52.319 --> 01:04:54.535
motion?

01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.015
No. All I will add to C what councellor

01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:58.936
Atwell just said is you can find that

01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:01.896
engagement on our have your say page um

01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:03.496
when it's when it's put there for

01:05:03.520 --> 01:05:05.416
consultation. So please don't miss out.

01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:07.416
We absolutely love to hear from our

01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:09.736
residents. Um councellor Baker, would you

01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:12.055
like to exercise your right of apply?

01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:13.896
I'll now put the motion. All those in

01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:16.920
favor? Motion is carried. Thank you.

01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:20.535
Item 8.3 is our road management plan.

01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:23.176
Would a counsellor like to move a motion?

01:05:23.200 --> 01:05:24.535
Two over there. So, I'll move by

01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.775
councellor Pearce and seconded by

01:05:26.799 --> 01:05:28.696
councellor Williams. Thank you. councellor

01:05:28.720 --> 01:05:29.656
Pearce, are you moving the

01:05:29.680 --> 01:05:30.936
recommendation?

01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:32.136
Yes, I am, Madame May.

01:05:32.160 --> 01:05:33.335
Okay. Would you like to speak to the

01:05:33.359 --> 01:05:33.736
motion?

01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.760
Yes. Short briefly. Council owns 729

01:05:37.839 --> 01:05:40.295
kilometers of roads,

01:05:40.319 --> 01:05:42.616
1,249

01:05:42.640 --> 01:05:45.095
kilometers of footpaths,

01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:48.119
14 km of shared roads,

01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:51.480
and we've got an 84% completion rate on

01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:56.280
inquiries concerning roads. That's to me

01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:59.480
is quite impressive.

01:05:59.520 --> 01:06:01.736
Um, basically there it's just good to

01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.760
see the gradual improvement. Um this is

01:06:04.799 --> 01:06:07.799
an area where we'd hope to get some

01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.000
funding from high higher levels of

01:06:11.680 --> 01:06:14.680
government but unfortunately some of the

01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:17.880
funding is actually um winding back um

01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:21.095
which councellor Duncan and I found when

01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:23.176
we attended Alga and attended the roads

01:06:23.200 --> 01:06:25.256
management. It's quite interesting to

01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:27.575
hear different people's views on roads

01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:29.815
and what they actually are getting out

01:06:29.839 --> 01:06:32.295
of or getting out and what they what

01:06:32.319 --> 01:06:33.976
they need.

01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:35.736
I commend this report because I think

01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:38.760
it's well written and it highlights

01:06:38.799 --> 01:06:40.376
areas

01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:42.856
and successes that this council has

01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.416
achieved.

01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:47.095
Thank you. councellor Williams, would you

01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:48.775
like to speak to the motion? Yes,

01:06:48.799 --> 01:06:50.535
through you may just very quickly um

01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:52.616
following on from

01:06:52.640 --> 01:06:55.095
um councellor Pearce's message um yeah a

01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:56.696
lot of roads and a lot of work that the

01:06:56.720 --> 01:06:58.775
team um puts in there but noting that we

01:06:58.799 --> 01:07:01.799
will have a pop-up session prior um to

01:07:02.160 --> 01:07:03.815
the council meeting in August which is

01:07:03.839 --> 01:07:05.896
great but also just reiterating that it

01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:08.535
covers various things so um our curbs

01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:11.176
our drainage footpass bus shelters

01:07:11.200 --> 01:07:13.015
and signs and shared paths so there's

01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:15.015
quite a big um amount of detail there

01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:16.295
and it's good to see the comparison

01:07:16.319 --> 01:07:19.319
against our fellow um cancels

01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:21.256
around the area and what we're doing and

01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:22.535
how we're achieving and we got some

01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:24.055
pretty high numbers there. So, we should

01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:27.079
be pretty proud of our reaction to um

01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:29.736
rectification works and and responses

01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:31.335
that are needed. So, congratulations to

01:07:31.359 --> 01:07:33.335
the team and great great job putting

01:07:33.359 --> 01:07:34.216
this forward.

01:07:34.240 --> 01:07:36.136
Thank you, councellor Williams. councellor

01:07:36.160 --> 01:07:37.095
Atwell.

01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:38.696
 thank you, Mayor. Um the reason this

01:07:38.720 --> 01:07:40.136
has come back to council is because we

01:07:40.160 --> 01:07:42.216
were obligated to consider it again

01:07:42.240 --> 01:07:43.656
after the election. So, we had to have a

01:07:43.680 --> 01:07:45.656
look at it again by the 31st of October.

01:07:45.680 --> 01:07:47.575
But it the report that we've got was

01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:50.295
substantially reviewed and and and

01:07:50.319 --> 01:07:51.976
service standards were rationalized

01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:55.000
in November 2023. Um I too I too like

01:07:55.520 --> 01:07:57.256
the the benchmarking approach. That's

01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:00.280
always a a handy reference point. Um and

01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:02.216
I would just yeah just what struck me

01:08:02.240 --> 01:08:04.535
when I I I just was reminded of the

01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.055
first two notices of motion that this

01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:08.216
council considered at its very first

01:08:08.240 --> 01:08:11.240
meeting were related to roads. um

01:08:12.160 --> 01:08:14.376
Vic roads roads of course but related

01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:16.616
to roads which I think speaks to the

01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:19.016
importance of the issue of of road

01:08:19.040 --> 01:08:20.936
maintenance and and service standards in

01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:22.616
our community we talked about

01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:25.640
potholes and and overgrown medians um

01:08:25.839 --> 01:08:28.056
which you know with state issues but um

01:08:28.080 --> 01:08:30.056
this is not at a local level it's not

01:08:30.080 --> 01:08:32.056
something we can afford to take our eye

01:08:32.080 --> 01:08:35.080
 off because we know this is of utmost

01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:37.576
importance to our community. though. Um,

01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:38.856
good to see this come back for the

01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:41.335
check-in post the election and um, yeah,

01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:42.376
look forward to hearing what the

01:08:42.400 --> 01:08:43.896
community has to say. I think we're in a

01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:45.735
we've got a run of reports going out to

01:08:45.759 --> 01:08:47.416
community consultation. So, look forward

01:08:47.440 --> 01:08:49.175
to hearing, what we'll get back

01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:50.856
relating to this one. Thank you.

01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:52.536
Thank you, councellor Atwell. Would any

01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.215
other council like Yes, thank you

01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:55.016
councellor Baker.

01:08:55.040 --> 01:08:56.295
Thank you. Just very briefly, Mayor

01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:58.376
Cooper and councellor Atwell has just

01:08:58.400 --> 01:09:00.775
touched on it. Um, that this is a report

01:09:00.799 --> 01:09:02.536
that is going back out to community

01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:05.016
consultation again. Um and the feedback

01:09:05.040 --> 01:09:07.335
will be presented with the report um to

01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:09.496
a future council meeting. So I welcome

01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:11.576
the community to also have a a look at

01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:13.655
this, have a read through um and

01:09:13.679 --> 01:09:16.295
consider your feedback for or submitting

01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:18.456
feedback for consideration for when the

01:09:18.480 --> 01:09:19.976
report and the community feedback comes

01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:21.416
back to council. Thank you.

01:09:21.440 --> 01:09:23.896
Thank you councellor Baker. Any further

01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:26.920
comments from councellors?

01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:29.655
councellor Kennet. Thank you.

01:09:29.679 --> 01:09:32.679
Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um I thought

01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:34.376
that it might be well I don't know

01:09:34.400 --> 01:09:36.376
whether this is the place for it but I

01:09:36.400 --> 01:09:38.295
thought it might be important to

01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:39.655
identify the difference between the

01:09:39.679 --> 01:09:42.679
responsibility for our roads in in our

01:09:42.799 --> 01:09:45.655
city because some of the roads that are

01:09:45.679 --> 01:09:48.616
state controlled and managed um we

01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:51.016
receive feedback from residents about

01:09:51.040 --> 01:09:52.775
the state that they're they're currently

01:09:52.799 --> 01:09:55.799
in. So I'd like to see council delineate

01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.135
where our responsibility is to make it a

01:09:58.159 --> 01:09:59.976
bit clearer for residents. I'm not too

01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.135
sure whether this is the the instrument

01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:04.296
for that, but um that I'd like to see

01:10:04.320 --> 01:10:07.320
that be clearer for for our residents.

01:10:07.440 --> 01:10:09.416
Um I'm also pleased to see that the

01:10:09.440 --> 01:10:11.256
performance across the road management

01:10:11.280 --> 01:10:13.976
plans has been um increasing year on

01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.456
year. That's fantastic. Um, I'd also

01:10:16.480 --> 01:10:18.376
like to make a small mention of the

01:10:18.400 --> 01:10:21.175
reactive works table that lists unsealed

01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:24.199
roads and the initial response of 68% in

01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:27.960
2024, which was a significant decline on

01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:31.239
previous response times um as shown in

01:10:31.440 --> 01:10:34.440
tonight's agenda on page 107 for um

01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:37.175
councellors and our public's benefit. It

01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:40.199
was 95% in 2022. So, I'm unsure on what

01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:44.296
the um what the issue was. And while

01:10:44.320 --> 01:10:46.936
unsealed roads represent approximately

01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:49.960
20 p 20 kilometers of council roads

01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:52.215
or around 3%

01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:54.456
um and unsealed roads are a small amount

01:10:54.480 --> 01:10:56.135
of our road network and they are

01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:58.856
considered low traffic. Um I'd still

01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:01.256
like to see the response time increase

01:11:01.280 --> 01:11:03.256
particularly after storm events because

01:11:03.280 --> 01:11:05.736
in my local area there's a number of

01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:07.896
unsealed roads and they do have

01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:10.695
maintenance issues with them um which

01:11:10.719 --> 01:11:13.496
then also causes safety issues. Um but

01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:15.256
otherwise I commend the report and I

01:11:15.280 --> 01:11:16.936
look forward to receiving um our

01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:18.616
community's feedback on it. Thank you.

01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:21.640
Otherwise, thank you. councellor

01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:23.496
Lowid.

01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:25.336
Thank you. I just want to say that these

01:11:25.360 --> 01:11:28.360
last item on drainage on um storm water

01:11:28.400 --> 01:11:29.896
and this one on roads, they're our bread

01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:32.296
and butter really. Um if people were

01:11:32.320 --> 01:11:33.896
interested in roads, rates and rubbish,

01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:36.920
then we need to get these issues right

01:11:37.120 --> 01:11:38.776
um more more than anything else because

01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:41.800
that's what we're judged on in terms

01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:44.456
of getting these things done. So having

01:11:44.480 --> 01:11:46.776
good roads and and not having flooding,

01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:48.616
having decent storm water is crucially

01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:50.135
important for us.

01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:52.695
Absolutely. Any further feedback from

01:11:52.719 --> 01:11:54.296
councellors?

01:11:54.320 --> 01:11:55.736
Councilor Pearce, would you like to

01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:58.536
exercise your right of reply? Just very

01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:01.496
quickly, um, like Kenn councellor Kenned,

01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:03.416
I have a road in my ward that's

01:12:03.440 --> 01:12:06.440
unsealed. Um, and I would like to see it

01:12:07.360 --> 01:12:09.576
a bit more action done on that to get

01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:11.256
maybe even look at getting the road

01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:13.816
sealed would be really nice. It's like

01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:16.840
in the middle of Taylor Ward and it's

01:12:17.360 --> 01:12:20.360
basically has no has an unsealed road

01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:23.816
and they don't aren't connected to our

01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:25.896
sew or each other as well. So, it' be

01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:27.175
nice to see if we could get that

01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:28.936
organized. It's in the middle of

01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:31.960
suburbia. So,

01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:35.159
yes, if you not don't know, Rover Taylor

01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:38.296
Wood is the Paris end of Knox. So, it's

01:12:38.320 --> 01:12:41.016
a really nice end of Knox. That's what

01:12:41.040 --> 01:12:43.816
they they think. Anyway, that's it for

01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:44.616
me. Thank you.

01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:46.056
Thank you.

01:12:46.080 --> 01:12:48.135
I'll now put the motion. All those in

01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:50.215
favor?

01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:52.936
The motion is carried. Thank you. We'll

01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:55.416
now move on to item 8.4. for draft

01:12:55.440 --> 01:12:58.440
mobility and access action plan.

01:12:58.719 --> 01:13:00.616
councellor Baker would like to move the

01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:02.616
motion and councellor Atwell would like

01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:04.616
to second the motion. The officer's

01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:06.376
recommendation. Thank you. councellor

01:13:06.400 --> 01:13:07.655
Baker, would you like to speak to the

01:13:07.679 --> 01:13:08.376
motion?

01:13:08.400 --> 01:13:11.096
Through you, M Cooper. Um, this draft

01:13:11.120 --> 01:13:14.120
mobility action plan. I have

01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:16.135
thoroughly enjoyed reading it. There's

01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:18.215
been a lot of work going into this over

01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:20.776
a number of ye of years and would like

01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:22.296
to thank the officers also for their

01:13:22.320 --> 01:13:24.056
detail report and the work that has gone

01:13:24.080 --> 01:13:26.456
into this the reports that have been

01:13:26.480 --> 01:13:29.480
supplied there. The draft Knox mobility

01:13:29.679 --> 01:13:32.376
and access action plan is a refreshed

01:13:32.400 --> 01:13:34.776
version of the 2012 mobility study

01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.695
aiming to approve accessibility across

01:13:36.719 --> 01:13:38.776
Knox for people with mobility challenges

01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:41.416
including those with disabilities um at

01:13:41.440 --> 01:13:43.096
older age citizens and parents with

01:13:43.120 --> 01:13:45.736
prams. In Knox, there's approximately

01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:48.760
1,350 km of shared path and footpath.

01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:51.416
Um, and the report outlines a 10-year

01:13:51.440 --> 01:13:53.655
road map to enhance footpaths, shared

01:13:53.679 --> 01:13:55.655
paths, accessible parking, and

01:13:55.679 --> 01:13:57.256
supporting infrastructure in key

01:13:57.280 --> 01:13:59.736
community areas. The plan is based on

01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:01.816
detailed access audits, community

01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:03.655
surveys, and site walkthroughs with

01:14:03.679 --> 01:14:05.655
residents who have lived with experience

01:14:05.679 --> 01:14:08.536
of mobility limitations. It also focuses

01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:10.456
on improving connections to essential

01:14:10.480 --> 01:14:13.096
destinations like shops, um, centers,

01:14:13.120 --> 01:14:15.576
shopping centers, public transport while

01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:17.816
aligning,, with council goals with

01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:20.056
sustainable and inclusion.

01:14:20.080 --> 01:14:22.456
This plan also proposes several actions

01:14:22.480 --> 01:14:24.936
across five focus areas of parking,

01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:27.496
pathways, connectivity, infrastructure,

01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:30.135
and future planning., council is now

01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:31.736
seeking, further community

01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:33.416
consultation on this report and the

01:14:33.440 --> 01:14:35.896
draft report. Um and I welcome all the

01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:37.416
committee to have a look at these

01:14:37.440 --> 01:14:39.816
documents um and share their views for

01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:42.135
consideration as these reports will come

01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:44.936
back at a later date with the public

01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:47.576
consultation included and I support the

01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:49.096
recommendations outlined in the report

01:14:49.120 --> 01:14:52.056
to go out to community consultation. Um

01:14:52.080 --> 01:14:54.536
and I will speak further in depth when

01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:56.296
this community feedback comes back for

01:14:56.320 --> 01:14:59.320
consideration. Um and it will be at a

01:15:00.320 --> 01:15:02.536
later meeting for cons um later meeting

01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:04.536
or future council meeting. Um and I

01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:06.296
welcome the report. Thank you.

01:15:06.320 --> 01:15:07.976
Thank you, councellor Baker. councellor

01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:08.776
Atwell.

01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:11.096
 thank you, Mayor. And I commend

01:15:11.120 --> 01:15:13.016
the work of our officers and the our

01:15:13.040 --> 01:15:15.655
Knox disability advisory committee and

01:15:15.679 --> 01:15:17.576
 this work. And I'd really like just

01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:19.416
speaking about this is a third report in

01:15:19.440 --> 01:15:20.776
a row. I think that's heading out to

01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:23.336
community consultation. But um the plan

01:15:23.360 --> 01:15:25.336
to consult and and reach people with

01:15:25.360 --> 01:15:27.576
lived experience. Um so through our

01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:29.175
usual channels but also some different

01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:31.816
channels to um yeah make sure that

01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:34.215
people that know this stuff really

01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.056
well a part of the feedback that we

01:15:36.080 --> 01:15:39.080
capture. Um 28,000 people in Knox live

01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:41.976
with a disability. That's about 17%

01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:44.135
of us and about 1/3 of those people

01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:47.159
have a profound or severe limitation.

01:15:47.280 --> 01:15:49.175
Um and of course we know there are so

01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:52.199
many more people providing unpaid

01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:54.536
 care to family members and loved

01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:57.016
ones. Um and as this report relates to

01:15:57.040 --> 01:15:58.695
mobility and access, it's often those

01:15:58.719 --> 01:16:01.096
carers that are driving people around

01:16:01.120 --> 01:16:02.936
the community and to and from

01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:05.960
appointment. So um this work and the

01:16:06.400 --> 01:16:08.376
focus of of this sort of work is what I

01:16:08.400 --> 01:16:10.376
love about what council can do and

01:16:10.400 --> 01:16:12.936
the role we play. Um it's so critical to

01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:14.695
the well-being, dignity, and inclusion

01:16:14.719 --> 01:16:17.655
of so many people in our community.

01:16:17.679 --> 01:16:20.679
Um we are a municipal municipality

01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:23.496
that is overly reliant on private

01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:25.336
vehicles for getting around. So, a

01:16:25.360 --> 01:16:27.256
report that speaks to the the

01:16:27.280 --> 01:16:30.056
intricacies of the way parking spaces

01:16:30.080 --> 01:16:32.936
work the way paths are connected

01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.576
to to parks. Um they're not small

01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:38.215
issues. These are really significant

01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:41.239
issues um um that for many people

01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:43.896
improvement in this space is literally

01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:46.920
life-changing. Um so I'm proud that in

01:16:47.040 --> 01:16:48.536
Knoxia we're not walking past these

01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:50.856
challenges. Um we're walking alongside

01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:52.376
our community and addressing them head

01:16:52.400 --> 01:16:55.400
on. So,, my own family's journey, um,

01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:57.096
which included having a child in a

01:16:57.120 --> 01:16:59.416
wheelchair, um, really showed me how

01:16:59.440 --> 01:17:01.256
much access and dignity matter in this

01:17:01.280 --> 01:17:04.135
space. So, um, yes, I'm I'm not a member

01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:06.135
of our KAK committee at the moment, but

01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:07.736
everyone around this table knows this is

01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:10.376
an area of passion of mine. So, um,

01:17:10.400 --> 01:17:12.456
again, I hope the community engages with

01:17:12.480 --> 01:17:13.976
this work and we get it to the people

01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:15.896
that we want the feedback from as well.

01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:17.896
So, um, I look forward to seeing the

01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:19.976
final plan when it returns.

01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:22.536
Thank you, councellor Atwell. Would any

01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:24.376
other counsellor like to speak to the

01:17:24.400 --> 01:17:27.400
motion? Thank you, councellor Pearce.

01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:30.296
I'm on the Kak um committee with

01:17:30.320 --> 01:17:33.096
councellor Baker and promoting

01:17:33.120 --> 01:17:36.120
independence and mobility is vital um

01:17:36.320 --> 01:17:37.976
especially

01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.536
for our people who are in wheelchairs.

01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:43.560
Um granted there's the five actions

01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:45.576
which were parking, connectivity,

01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:47.016
supporting infrastructure and working

01:17:47.040 --> 01:17:48.776
future.

01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:51.800
So through working the the working on

01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:53.816
the disability committee it highlighted

01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:56.840
how important the accessibility is.

01:17:57.760 --> 01:18:00.760
Most most transmits private car so it it

01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:05.560
means it limits people with disabilities

01:18:06.400 --> 01:18:08.695
from getting around.

01:18:08.719 --> 01:18:10.536
Accessibility is important, especially

01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:13.560
with our festivals. Like when you see

01:18:14.719 --> 01:18:17.096
people trying to push a wheelchair over

01:18:17.120 --> 01:18:20.120
a park, over grass, and finding it so

01:18:21.040 --> 01:18:24.040
hard, we really need to be mindful that

01:18:24.400 --> 01:18:27.336
we need places where they can actually

01:18:27.360 --> 01:18:30.360
run a wheelchair along.

01:18:30.400 --> 01:18:33.400
I find that being on the Kak um advisory

01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:36.936
committee, it's vitally important

01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:39.175
because this means accessibility means

01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:42.199
independence and independence

01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:45.576
means so much more and we just take it

01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:48.600
for granted. So I can only highly

01:18:49.120 --> 01:18:52.120
recommend this report. Thank you.

01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:55.239
Thank you councellor Pearce we thank you

01:18:55.360 --> 01:18:57.655
councellor Williams. Thank you through

01:18:57.679 --> 01:18:59.736
you may um just like to reiterate what

01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:02.135
my fellow councellors mentioned but what

01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:04.856
what I found um quite important that we

01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:06.936
should highlight off this document is um

01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:08.536
a couple of our headlines and that is

01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:11.175
what guides us what we've discovered and

01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:12.695
and to me that shows that we're a

01:19:12.719 --> 01:19:15.576
council that listens we're we're hearing

01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:17.816
and it's now a time to put this out for

01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:19.256
public consultation so that we can

01:19:19.280 --> 01:19:22.135
respond um and then you know when it

01:19:22.159 --> 01:19:23.896
gets presented back to us we endorse it.

01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:25.496
So that that's the exciting part and

01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:27.576
that's that's what we're here for. Um

01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:29.576
and and that's what really sort of keeps

01:19:29.600 --> 01:19:31.416
us all passionate about what we do as

01:19:31.440 --> 01:19:33.655
councellors. So excited with those and

01:19:33.679 --> 01:19:35.175
yeah again commend the report. It's

01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:36.215
really well done.

01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:38.856
Thank you councellor Williams.

01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:40.536
Would any other counsellor like to speak

01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:43.256
to the motion?

01:19:43.280 --> 01:19:45.096
No. councellor Baker, would you like to

01:19:45.120 --> 01:19:47.336
exercise your right apply? No. I'll now

01:19:47.360 --> 01:19:50.056
put the motion. All those in favor?

01:19:50.080 --> 01:19:53.080
Thank you. The motion is carried.

01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:56.296
Okay, we now move to item 8.5, minor

01:19:56.320 --> 01:19:58.776
grants program and emergency relief fund

01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.800
2025 to 26 monthly report and individual

01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:05.496
excellence grants update for the fourth

01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:08.296
quarter. councellor Lockwood, you did

01:20:08.320 --> 01:20:10.135
foreshadow that you have a conflict of

01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:11.256
interest.

01:20:11.280 --> 01:20:14.280
Yes. Could I first ask that um this the

01:20:14.719 --> 01:20:17.336
motion here be split items one to four

01:20:17.360 --> 01:20:20.215
be split from 5 to 8 super separate

01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:20.936
motions?

01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:23.960
Yes. So, um I'm happy to do that when

01:20:24.080 --> 01:20:25.896
once you've left the room. I'm happy to

01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:27.256
then split the motion.

01:20:27.280 --> 01:20:29.576
Um but I I declare a conflict, I think a

01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:31.576
material conflict for reasons that I've

01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:33.896
disclosed privately to the CEO.

01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:36.536
Okay. Thank you. We'll just give

01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:39.560
councellor Lockwood a few moments.

01:20:46.080 --> 01:20:48.215
Thank you. So, as I previously

01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:51.239
mentioned that um I I'm happy to move

01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:54.456
forward and split this item into two

01:20:54.480 --> 01:20:57.480
parts. in accordance with rule 35 of

01:20:58.080 --> 01:21:00.856
the local governance rules, this will

01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.175
allow councellor Lockwood to rejoin the

01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:04.936
meeting after we have dealt with the

01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.416
minor and individual excellent grants

01:21:07.440 --> 01:21:10.215
awards um and that aspect of this

01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:13.016
particular report. Um the governance

01:21:13.040 --> 01:21:16.040
team have put separate motions

01:21:16.080 --> 01:21:17.736
together and they're going to pop those

01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:20.760
up on the screen in a moment and this

01:21:21.040 --> 01:21:23.655
will enable council to vote separately

01:21:23.679 --> 01:21:26.679
on number one the minor grants monthly

01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:29.736
report and individual excellent grants

01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:32.760
update for fourth quarter and the

01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:35.960
emergency relief fund 2025 to 2026

01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:39.655
monthly report. And for clarity, it is

01:21:39.679 --> 01:21:41.336
my intention that we have separate

01:21:41.360 --> 01:21:44.360
debate and um voting on each of these

01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:47.640
items. So we'll refer to screen two for

01:21:48.719 --> 01:21:51.719
separate motions.

01:21:52.480 --> 01:21:55.175
I'll also note it it might be

01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:57.256
difficult to see from your chair

01:21:57.280 --> 01:21:58.615
councellors but we have got one

01:21:58.639 --> 01:22:01.496
circulated in front of us. um that there

01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:03.175
has been a revised officer

01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:05.256
recommendation provided in relation to

01:22:05.280 --> 01:22:07.256
the minor grants and this is

01:22:07.280 --> 01:22:09.416
incorporated into the motions which are

01:22:09.440 --> 01:22:12.296
up on the screen. The change was made at

01:22:12.320 --> 01:22:15.256
is um because it has come to light that

01:22:15.280 --> 01:22:18.280
the Waverly City Soccer Club had already

01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:20.296
purchased the equipment they were

01:22:20.320 --> 01:22:23.016
seeking a grant for. Um the community

01:22:23.040 --> 01:22:25.016
grants guidelines states that the grant

01:22:25.040 --> 01:22:28.040
funding cannot be used for retrospective

01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:31.159
payments or expenses. Um so I note for

01:22:32.080 --> 01:22:33.976
completeness that the equipment was

01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:35.816
purchased prior to the original

01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:38.056
recommendation on this grant coming to

01:22:38.080 --> 01:22:40.695
council in the previous meeting we

01:22:40.719 --> 01:22:43.576
had on the 14th of July. The revisions

01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:46.215
recommend this application be refused.

01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:48.776
So that's the change that you will see

01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:51.496
in the revised um offic's

01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:54.520
recommendation.

01:22:54.639 --> 01:22:56.936
Okay.

01:22:56.960 --> 01:22:59.960
So we'll now move to motion one which is

01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:02.695
the minor grants monthly report and

01:23:02.719 --> 01:23:05.719
individual excellence grants update for

01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:08.695
the fourth quarter. Um councellors would

01:23:08.719 --> 01:23:10.695
someone like to move the report? Thank

01:23:10.719 --> 01:23:13.016
you councellor Baker seconded by

01:23:13.040 --> 01:23:15.816
councellor Pearce.

01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:18.215
 you're just clarifying the motion the

01:23:18.239 --> 01:23:21.239
one as is on the screen um which is the

01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:26.520
the revised office of recommendation.

01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:29.336
Thank you councellor Baker. Would you

01:23:29.360 --> 01:23:32.135
like to speak to the motion? Thank you

01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:34.856
Mayor Cooper. this is a the grant

01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:36.456
process that normally comes to our

01:23:36.480 --> 01:23:39.416
midmon meeting and it did um and it has

01:23:39.440 --> 01:23:42.296
been referred to this month's meeting.

01:23:42.320 --> 01:23:45.256
Um as always there is always a variety

01:23:45.280 --> 01:23:47.736
of applications from various groups who

01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:50.760
use our minor grants um in individual

01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:53.880
excellence awards or grant should say

01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:56.456
sorry of which individuals there were

01:23:56.480 --> 01:23:59.480
three two inter one interstate and two

01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:02.760
international applications for those

01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:05.880
um but also the variety from the various

01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:09.096
clubs using it for various um items and

01:24:09.120 --> 01:24:11.976
I am supportive of the grants that have

01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:14.376
in applications that have been

01:24:14.400 --> 01:24:15.896
outlined in the report. There's nothing

01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:17.256
really further to add, but I'm

01:24:17.280 --> 01:24:18.856
supportive of those. Terrific. Thank

01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:21.880
you, councellor Baker. councellor Pearce,

01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:26.456
the minor minor grants was deferred and

01:24:26.480 --> 01:24:27.976
it was important because we needed some

01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:30.296
clarifi clarity in regarding to some of

01:24:30.320 --> 01:24:33.320
the grants which has now been provided.

01:24:34.080 --> 01:24:36.936
It's important that all these grants are

01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:39.816
for all parties understand or that we

01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:41.655
all understand the compliance aspects

01:24:41.679 --> 01:24:44.679
regarding it. What really strikes me

01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:46.695
with the minor grants is the diversity

01:24:46.719 --> 01:24:49.496
of the number of people and number of

01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:52.135
groups that are asking for grants.

01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:54.376
Like we've had everybody from the F

01:24:54.400 --> 01:24:57.400
Fijian senior citizens asking for a PA

01:24:57.520 --> 01:24:59.655
system. I think it's great. They're

01:24:59.679 --> 01:25:01.816
getting up and dancing and singing and

01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:04.840
enjoying karaoke. Good on them. Um to

01:25:06.080 --> 01:25:09.080
the arts to another another group that

01:25:09.679 --> 01:25:12.296
he was involved in the art in providing

01:25:12.320 --> 01:25:15.320
art materials and an artist.

01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:19.096
That's fantastic. those different

01:25:19.120 --> 01:25:20.856
different aspects are brilliant because

01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:23.576
it's we have such a wide community that

01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:26.536
minor grants to help if we can help

01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:28.296
those groups and just a little way adds

01:25:28.320 --> 01:25:31.096
to the diversity of Knox and that's it.

01:25:31.120 --> 01:25:33.416
Thank you councellor Pearce councellor

01:25:33.440 --> 01:25:34.936
Duncan.

01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:37.496
 yeah just for some clarity around the

01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:39.736
Wavely City Soccer Club mayor um it's

01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:41.976
actually in your ward it's the city life

01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:44.376
soccer club that actually train in in my

01:25:44.400 --> 01:25:46.056
ward. So I actually spoken to officers

01:25:46.080 --> 01:25:48.856
about this. Um there was some concern

01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:51.016
because of the robust discussions that

01:25:51.040 --> 01:25:52.615
we had at the midmon meeting that

01:25:52.639 --> 01:25:55.639
deferring this would penalize people.

01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:58.215
We haven't penalized anybody as far as

01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:01.239
the dates. Um which raises a slight

01:26:01.679 --> 01:26:03.816
concern with me because had this gone to

01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:06.840
a a vote last fortnight at our meeting,

01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:08.936
we would have approved the Waverly City

01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:10.376
Soccer Club because they hadn't

01:26:10.400 --> 01:26:13.400
purchased

01:26:15.520 --> 01:26:17.416
that. Um, and it's only through our

01:26:17.440 --> 01:26:19.175
deferral of this motion that it's been

01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:21.256
looked further into and found that they

01:26:21.280 --> 01:26:23.576
were not eligible. They have been spoken

01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:25.416
to and and the situation explained and

01:26:25.440 --> 01:26:27.336
they're quite accommodating with it. Um,

01:26:27.360 --> 01:26:29.416
but I'm just curious as to how this one

01:26:29.440 --> 01:26:31.496
slipped through had it gone through last

01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:33.016
week and what have we put in place to

01:26:33.040 --> 01:26:34.615
ensure that we don't accidentally

01:26:34.639 --> 01:26:37.639
approve a grant that we shouldn't in

01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:39.175
future.

01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:42.199
Okay. Um I will direct that question

01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:45.880
to um director Judy Chocolate.

01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:51.416
Thank you through you madame mayor. Um

01:26:51.440 --> 01:26:54.440
we do once grants are um once it goes

01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:57.016
through the process and council resolve

01:26:57.040 --> 01:26:59.655
to approve the grants we do go back to

01:26:59.679 --> 01:27:01.896
them and ask the question. So we would

01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:03.816
have it would have come up and so we

01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:05.416
would have had to notify councellors

01:27:05.440 --> 01:27:07.016
after the fact that they would have

01:27:07.040 --> 01:27:09.096
actually purchased that already. So, we

01:27:09.120 --> 01:27:12.120
do ask it um if it if it gets to the

01:27:12.320 --> 01:27:13.896
point where when we're going to do the

01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:16.615
reconciliation and that they identify

01:27:16.639 --> 01:27:19.416
through that acquid process that um it

01:27:19.440 --> 01:27:20.856
was before that date, we would ask for

01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:22.776
the funds to be returned. It's part of

01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:23.655
the process.

01:27:23.679 --> 01:27:25.416
Y

01:27:25.440 --> 01:27:27.416
great. Thank you, councellor Duncan.

01:27:27.440 --> 01:27:28.856
Would any other council Thank you,

01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:29.896
councellor Atwell.

01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:32.920
 thank you, mayor. Um it's part part

01:27:33.120 --> 01:27:34.695
commentary, part request as well. It

01:27:34.719 --> 01:27:37.576
would be good in future reports um of

01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:40.600
this nature where we summarize the

01:27:40.719 --> 01:27:43.096
project title which is I think a

01:27:43.120 --> 01:27:44.856
direct lift of what the clubs have or

01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:46.856
the the organizations have provided but

01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:48.296
to provide in the front part of the

01:27:48.320 --> 01:27:50.536
report some of the rationale um it's

01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:52.376
it's in the it's in the report it's in

01:27:52.400 --> 01:27:53.816
the attachments but I think it would be

01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:56.056
good to have a very short sharp summary

01:27:56.080 --> 01:27:57.655
of sort of project title and brief

01:27:57.679 --> 01:28:00.615
rationale so a good example is the life

01:28:00.639 --> 01:28:02.456
activities club who you know the the

01:28:02.480 --> 01:28:04.376
project title is upgrade laptop but if

01:28:04.400 --> 01:28:06.456
you dig into the detail and I was there

01:28:06.480 --> 01:28:08.296
when they commissioned their new AV

01:28:08.320 --> 01:28:10.056
equipment. This was about this is it's

01:28:10.080 --> 01:28:11.816
not just about, you know, wanting to

01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:13.655
upgrade their laptop, but it's actually

01:28:13.679 --> 01:28:16.135
part of unlocking and being able to

01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:17.336
utilize some other equipment that

01:28:17.360 --> 01:28:18.856
they've recently had upgraded and

01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:20.936
installed and means that members won't

01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:22.615
have to bring their own laptops to do

01:28:22.639 --> 01:28:24.376
things like show movies. So, it would be

01:28:24.400 --> 01:28:25.976
good. Now, that's all I mean, it is all

01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:27.816
in there. I I know but it would be good

01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:30.215
as part of the the upfront report to

01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:32.376
maybe include just a sentence or two of

01:28:32.400 --> 01:28:34.056
rationale as part of the title or

01:28:34.080 --> 01:28:36.296
summary just to give you know it's on

01:28:36.320 --> 01:28:38.695
the screen here our gallery's reading um

01:28:38.719 --> 01:28:40.135
the words would be good maybe to provide

01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:41.816
some of that um close to the front if

01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:44.695
that's not not too much to ask.

01:28:44.719 --> 01:28:47.256
Thank you councellor Atwell

01:28:47.280 --> 01:28:49.175
um is that a rhetorical question or are

01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:50.936
you specifically wanting to direct that

01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:53.096
to anyone? Just a bit of feedback.

01:28:53.120 --> 01:28:53.976
Feedback. Yeah. Thank you.

01:28:54.000 --> 01:28:56.536
Yeah. Terrific. Thank you. Um would

01:28:56.560 --> 01:28:57.896
anybody else like to speak to the

01:28:57.920 --> 01:29:00.615
motion?

01:29:00.639 --> 01:29:02.695
No. councellor Baker, you would you like

01:29:02.719 --> 01:29:04.536
to exercise your right of reply briefly

01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:06.376
that I'm noting the comments received

01:29:06.400 --> 01:29:09.400
from co- councellors in relation to

01:29:09.440 --> 01:29:12.056
this? So thank you. Thank you. I'll now

01:29:12.080 --> 01:29:13.655
put the motion or those

01:29:13.679 --> 01:29:14.215
question.

01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:15.416
Yes.

01:29:15.440 --> 01:29:17.576
Um just for clarity on the motion, we're

01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:20.600
only going down to 04, aren't we? as

01:29:20.719 --> 01:29:22.056
part of the alternate that's come

01:29:22.080 --> 01:29:24.296
through and then we're inviting council

01:29:24.320 --> 01:29:25.736
council lockwood back.

01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:28.760
Sorry, I'm getting it up on my

01:29:39.679 --> 01:29:41.736
point

01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:44.760
4. It is. Yeah, we're confirming that.

01:30:06.080 --> 01:30:09.080
Thank you.

01:30:12.320 --> 01:30:14.215
Thank you. through through you may just

01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:16.056
to clarify councellors the motion that's

01:30:16.080 --> 01:30:19.080
on the screen if it helps councellors is

01:30:19.120 --> 01:30:21.816
um the original motion one to um with

01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:23.736
amendments to approve eight

01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:26.376
applications. Um it's the second motion

01:30:26.400 --> 01:30:29.175
to defer one application.

01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:31.256
The third is to refuse four

01:30:31.280 --> 01:30:32.856
applications.

01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:35.576
Um the fourth is to note the recommend

01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:37.256
um if the recommended minor grants are

01:30:37.280 --> 01:30:39.175
approved the remaining budget be

01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:40.695
$143,000

01:30:40.719 --> 01:30:42.776
odd dollars. And then there is a fifth

01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:45.016
motion which was originally item nine

01:30:45.040 --> 01:30:46.536
which is to note the individual

01:30:46.560 --> 01:30:48.856
excellence grants awarded in quarter

01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:51.576
four as set out in attachment three.

01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:53.816
Thank you.

01:30:53.840 --> 01:30:56.135
Is everyone clear?

01:30:56.159 --> 01:30:59.159
Just checking before I put the motion.

01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:02.215
Okay. Fabulous. I will now put the

01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:05.239
motion. All those in favor? The motion

01:31:05.360 --> 01:31:08.360
is carried. Thank you.

01:31:08.400 --> 01:31:10.936
Okay. So we before we u move on to the

01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:13.736
second part or second second item

01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:15.256
sorry regarding the emergency relief

01:31:15.280 --> 01:31:17.896
fund I'd like to um bring councellor

01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:20.920
Lockwood back into the chamber.

01:31:39.280 --> 01:31:41.096
Okay. So, councellors, would someone like

01:31:41.120 --> 01:31:43.175
to move the motion on the screen in

01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:45.576
relation to the emergency relief fund or

01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:48.600
any other motion that you might have?

01:31:48.719 --> 01:31:50.615
councellor Lowood and councellor Baker

01:31:50.639 --> 01:31:53.336
will second that. councellor Lockwood,

01:31:53.360 --> 01:31:55.976
would you like to speak to the motion?

01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:57.816
Yes. I think this is a very timely a

01:31:57.840 --> 01:32:00.840
timely fund for Knox because as we heard

01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:03.016
the homelessness is increasing. We've

01:32:03.040 --> 01:32:04.776
seen need increasing across Knox for

01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:06.936
some time now. Certainly when I was

01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:09.175
volunteering last year the number of

01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:10.776
people coming in was increasing looking

01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:12.536
for meals all the time and I guess the

01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:14.776
foothills people report the same their

01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:16.695
numbers kept going up and the local

01:32:16.719 --> 01:32:19.336
churches here all who run programs are

01:32:19.360 --> 01:32:22.296
all saying the same thing. So, um it's

01:32:22.320 --> 01:32:24.856
timely that we provide some support, a

01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:26.856
reasonable sort of support because

01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:29.736
privating food and meals is expensive

01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:32.056
and yeah, getting that out into the

01:32:32.080 --> 01:32:35.080
community to me is is imperative. So, um

01:32:35.280 --> 01:32:38.280
I hope already there's quite a lot of

01:32:38.480 --> 01:32:40.856
demand. Um let's hope it all doesn't go

01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:43.880
in 5 minutes, but yeah, um I'd urge

01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:46.376
everybody to support this. Thank you.

01:32:46.400 --> 01:32:48.056
Thank you, councellor Lowood. councellor

01:32:48.080 --> 01:32:49.416
Baker, would you like to speak to the

01:32:49.440 --> 01:32:50.615
motion?

01:32:50.639 --> 01:32:51.736
Thank you. And through you, Mayor

01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:54.760
Cooper. Um, I'm supportive of this

01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:56.776
emergency relief fund that is for

01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:59.800
Foothills Community Care. Um, each year,

01:33:01.679 --> 01:33:03.816
, there's over 50,000 fresh meals

01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:06.840
served, um, 15,000 food parcels, um,

01:33:08.800 --> 01:33:11.800
rescuing over 30 tons of food, um, and

01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:14.840
working with over 20 250 volunteers.

01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:18.600
Foothills provide meals on a weekly

01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:20.936
basis to help our most vulnerable in our

01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:23.175
community. Um and I'm sure that these

01:33:23.199 --> 01:33:26.199
funds are going to be most welcome in

01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:28.615
helping to support our vulnerable

01:33:28.639 --> 01:33:31.256
community. So very supportive um in

01:33:31.280 --> 01:33:33.816
allocating this fund to Foothills

01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:35.016
Community Care. Thank you.

01:33:35.040 --> 01:33:37.175
Thank you, councellor Baker. Would any

01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:38.695
other counsellor like to speak to the

01:33:38.719 --> 01:33:40.695
motion? councellor Williams.

01:33:40.719 --> 01:33:43.719
Thank you, May. Um just wanted to um

01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:46.776
just make a note and and a thank you.

01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:48.376
this was obviously instigated by council

01:33:48.400 --> 01:33:50.296
Lockwood and um supported by the

01:33:50.320 --> 01:33:52.536
councellors. it's the first of its

01:33:52.560 --> 01:33:55.560
kind for for Knox Council and um well

01:33:56.000 --> 01:33:58.056
done to Foothills Community Care for

01:33:58.080 --> 01:34:00.856
being the first recipient of that. Um

01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:03.175
and whilst we deferred this back a

01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:04.856
couple of weeks back, it's provided us

01:34:04.880 --> 01:34:06.296
with the essential information we needed

01:34:06.320 --> 01:34:07.576
to be able to make the decision today.

01:34:07.600 --> 01:34:09.896
And I think that's um prudent to

01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:12.376
everything that we've just done. Um and

01:34:12.400 --> 01:34:14.615
seeing the benefit directly to our

01:34:14.639 --> 01:34:16.296
community is probably the main important

01:34:16.320 --> 01:34:18.776
thing out of this fund. So well done to

01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:20.296
um Foothills Community Care if we pass

01:34:20.320 --> 01:34:23.320
that. That is um but um um some very

01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:24.856
good works gone into this and thank you

01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:27.175
to Judy and the um staff who have also

01:34:27.199 --> 01:34:28.936
managed this process as well.

01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:31.736
Thank you councellor Williams.

01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:33.496
Would any other counsellor like to speak

01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:35.736
to the motion?

01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:37.976
No. councellor Lowood, would you like to

01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:41.000
exercise your right of reply?

01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:42.856
Okay, I'll now put the motion. All those

01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:45.880
in favor? Motion is carried. Thank you.

01:34:46.480 --> 01:34:47.896
councellors, we've been running for a

01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:49.736
little bit now. I would like to propose

01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:52.215
a 10-minute break. So, I'll move that.

01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:54.615
Um, councellor Atwell will second that.

01:34:54.639 --> 01:34:56.695
I'll now put the motion. All those in

01:34:56.719 --> 01:34:58.776
favor. It's carried. We'll break for 10

01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:01.496
minutes. It's 8:40. So, we'll return at

01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:04.520
8:50. Thank you.

01:35:05.280 --> 01:35:08.215
Okay. Welcome back everybody. We are now

01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:11.175
moving to item 8.6. Six, Leisure, Min,

01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:13.976
and Capital Works Grant Scheme from 2025

01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.776
to 2026. Would a counsellor like to move

01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:19.800
a motion?

01:35:22.400 --> 01:35:25.400
Thank you, councellor Atwell.

01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:28.776
Thank you, councellor Williams.

01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:30.296
councellor Atwell, would you like to

01:35:30.320 --> 01:35:31.336
speak to the motion?

01:35:31.360 --> 01:35:33.336
, thank you, Mayor., briefly

01:35:33.360 --> 01:35:35.736
summarize the officer report on page

01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:38.056
244. We are presenting the

01:35:38.080 --> 01:35:39.816
recommendations of the capital works

01:35:39.840 --> 01:35:42.840
grant scheme panel for council's

01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:46.615
 allocation for funding. So this is an

01:35:46.639 --> 01:35:49.639
annual process um and supports our local

01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:51.016
community sporting and leisure

01:35:51.040 --> 01:35:52.776
organizations to undertake facility

01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:55.496
improvements on land owned or managed

01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:58.135
by council. So,, the report tonight,

01:35:58.159 --> 01:36:00.695
, approves a funding al allocation of

01:36:00.719 --> 01:36:03.719
$62,722,

01:36:04.400 --> 01:36:06.856
um, from the relevant scheme program to

01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:08.615
the applicant clubs nominated in

01:36:08.639 --> 01:36:11.256
attachment one., they are summarized,

01:36:11.280 --> 01:36:14.280
, in the reports tonight. Um, it also

01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:16.215
specifies the additional grant

01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:17.496
conditions that are required for the

01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:20.296
organizations listed, in the report

01:36:20.320 --> 01:36:22.135
, and authorizes our chief executive

01:36:22.159 --> 01:36:24.615
officer, to inform applicant clubs of

01:36:24.639 --> 01:36:26.695
council's decision. though great to

01:36:26.719 --> 01:36:28.456
see these coming through. This is u an

01:36:28.480 --> 01:36:31.096
annual program super important for

01:36:31.120 --> 01:36:34.120
our clubs and commend them for

01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:35.416
their work in putting together the

01:36:35.440 --> 01:36:37.896
applications and this is a great use of

01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:40.920
council resource um in in the way we

01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:44.135
allocate and fund our local sport and

01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:46.376
leisure organization. So I'll leave it

01:36:46.400 --> 01:36:47.336
there. Thank you mayor.

01:36:47.360 --> 01:36:48.936
Thank you councellor Atwell. councellor

01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:51.960
Williams. Yes, through you may um as

01:36:52.080 --> 01:36:54.536
councellor will mention yeah 63 odd

01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:57.016
thousand almost um noting that it has

01:36:57.040 --> 01:36:58.615
been assessed by panel and there is an

01:36:58.639 --> 01:37:00.056
assessment criteria there and I think

01:37:00.080 --> 01:37:01.896
that's important just to mention it's

01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:03.655
not just an easy one to get but it is

01:37:03.679 --> 01:37:05.095
assessed quite well and I think we've

01:37:05.119 --> 01:37:07.336
we've done quite well there total of

01:37:07.360 --> 01:37:10.360
11 clubs um and um excited to note that

01:37:12.080 --> 01:37:13.896
AFL hasn't taken the top of the list on

01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:15.576
this one it's actually four for tennis

01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:17.175
so exciting that we're sort of spreading

01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:19.416
the funds around to um other clubs and

01:37:19.440 --> 01:37:22.440
facilities and I do note um Craig from

01:37:23.440 --> 01:37:25.175
 one of our local tennis clubs is just

01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:27.736
here. So um tennis is important and as

01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:29.655
is other sports so that was really good

01:37:29.679 --> 01:37:32.679
to see. Um but also noting um that we've

01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:34.296
got a contingency fund there. So

01:37:34.320 --> 01:37:36.695
obviously for any of those recipients

01:37:36.719 --> 01:37:38.776
who might require additional funding

01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:41.496
should um the costs have increased since

01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:42.856
applied we've actually got a bit of a

01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:44.856
contingency there to accept that and

01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:46.296
understanding that all our costs and

01:37:46.320 --> 01:37:47.816
everything are going up. Um I think

01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:49.736
that's quite essential. So fully support

01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:52.536
this put forward tonight.

01:37:52.560 --> 01:37:54.695
Thank you. councellor Williams. Would any

01:37:54.719 --> 01:37:56.215
other councellor like to speak to the

01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:59.239
motion?

01:37:59.280 --> 01:38:00.376
councellor Howwell.

01:38:00.400 --> 01:38:02.296
 just briefly, one thing I I

01:38:02.320 --> 01:38:03.736
particularly like about this round is

01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:06.056
that it's um it's 50/50. I think it is

01:38:06.080 --> 01:38:09.080
 50/50 match matched funding program.

01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:11.976
So in most instances, we're seeing

01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:13.576
yeah, I mean it really leverages the

01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:15.095
funds from council when you've got the

01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:17.496
clubs themselves chipping in. And we

01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:19.256
know that's a lot of work. You know,

01:38:19.280 --> 01:38:21.095
the Knox BMX Club, for example, I know

01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:23.496
how hard they've had to work um to get

01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:26.376
that $35,000 together for the $7,000

01:38:26.400 --> 01:38:29.400
shelter. So, 2:1 um or 50/50 funding, it

01:38:30.400 --> 01:38:32.856
that really maximizes the um the value

01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:34.936
of council's dollar and really gives

01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:36.296
those clubs a return on their

01:38:36.320 --> 01:38:38.936
fundraising efforts and work. So,

01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:40.615
commend the commend the list of clubs in

01:38:40.639 --> 01:38:41.496
there tonight.

01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:43.816
Thank you. I'll now put the motion. All

01:38:43.840 --> 01:38:46.695
those in favor? Motion is carried. Thank

01:38:46.719 --> 01:38:48.376
you.

01:38:48.400 --> 01:38:51.400
We'll now move to item 8.7, Knox City

01:38:51.440 --> 01:38:54.440
Council attendance at the Australian

01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:57.560
Local Government Association National

01:38:57.600 --> 01:39:00.456
General Assembly 2025.

01:39:00.480 --> 01:39:02.856
Would a councellor like to move a motion?

01:39:02.880 --> 01:39:05.816
Thank you, councellor Atwell.

01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:07.736
Would council like to second the

01:39:07.760 --> 01:39:09.736
motion?

01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:12.760
Thank you, councellor Pearce.

01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:15.336
councellor Atwell, would you like to

01:39:15.360 --> 01:39:17.496
speak to the motion, the officer's

01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:19.416
recommendation?

01:39:19.440 --> 01:39:21.976
, I believe we um happy to speak to

01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:23.576
this, but I had understood from earlier

01:39:23.600 --> 01:39:24.695
that we might be considering a

01:39:24.719 --> 01:39:26.135
suspension of standing orders.

01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:27.736
Y may, which I'd be very happy to move

01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:30.376
to allow us to speak freely and for

01:39:30.400 --> 01:39:32.615
as long as we we might on on our

01:39:32.639 --> 01:39:34.936
attendance at the um Alga NGA.

01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:37.256
Yes, I'm happy to second that. All those

01:39:37.280 --> 01:39:39.016
in favor?

01:39:39.040 --> 01:39:41.016
Okay, the motion is carried. We are now

01:39:41.040 --> 01:39:44.040
in suspended standing orders.

01:39:44.320 --> 01:39:46.456
Um just for those what that means is

01:39:46.480 --> 01:39:49.480
that you can speak more than once and um

01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:53.000
you can also speak for any amount of

01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:55.896
time that you would like to.

01:39:55.920 --> 01:39:58.456
 councellor Atwell I will move to you

01:39:58.480 --> 01:40:00.215
first. However,

01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:02.135
 thank you mayor. Yes, happy to um

01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:03.655
kick us off. And I note the the

01:40:03.679 --> 01:40:06.679
reports um from councellor Baker,

01:40:06.719 --> 01:40:08.296
councellor Pearce and the mayor

01:40:08.320 --> 01:40:10.296
already in the papers tonight and I

01:40:10.320 --> 01:40:13.016
thought were yeah a really good um

01:40:13.040 --> 01:40:15.336
interesting to read that um we had

01:40:15.360 --> 01:40:16.776
several attendees at the conference and

01:40:16.800 --> 01:40:18.376
we all came away with different

01:40:18.400 --> 01:40:20.215
different themes and priorities and and

01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:22.856
interest areas. So um the theme for this

01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:24.456
year was our communities our future at

01:40:24.480 --> 01:40:27.480
the Alga NGA. Um for me the program

01:40:28.320 --> 01:40:30.695
and the agenda really reinforced the

01:40:30.719 --> 01:40:32.856
crucial roles councils across the

01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:34.296
country are playing in tackling some

01:40:34.320 --> 01:40:37.175
rather wicked challenges from housing

01:40:37.199 --> 01:40:38.856
and infrastructure to climate

01:40:38.880 --> 01:40:41.175
resilience, digital transformation,

01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:43.336
community health and well-being. and

01:40:43.360 --> 01:40:45.095
we heard also a lot about emergency food

01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:47.655
relief. Um so yeah, quite interesting

01:40:47.679 --> 01:40:49.095
that you know our priorities and

01:40:49.119 --> 01:40:50.536
challenges are are more often than not

01:40:50.560 --> 01:40:52.536
shared by councils all over the country.

01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:55.095
Um, one of the key takeaways in terms of

01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:57.816
the ad advocacy was Alga's ongoing push

01:40:57.840 --> 01:40:59.736
to restore financial assistance

01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:00.936
grants, which are the main state of

01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:03.816
council funding to at least 1% of

01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:06.536
Commonwealth taxation revenue. Um, and

01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:08.456
that message and the the tone of that

01:41:08.480 --> 01:41:09.976
message was one that was repeated

01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:13.000
often throughout the conference um and

01:41:13.040 --> 01:41:14.296
one that really speaks to the

01:41:14.320 --> 01:41:15.816
significant financial pressures that

01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:18.135
we're feeling here in Knox and many

01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:19.896
councils are feeling across Australia.

01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:21.655
you know, we're all trying to deliver

01:41:21.679 --> 01:41:24.376
more with the same or even deliver

01:41:24.400 --> 01:41:27.400
the same with less um evidently. So, um

01:41:27.679 --> 01:41:28.936
yeah, there were strong discussions

01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:30.296
around housing affordability and

01:41:30.320 --> 01:41:32.296
planning with a recognition that

01:41:32.320 --> 01:41:33.816
local government needs a more direct and

01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:35.416
responsive voice in shaping housing

01:41:35.440 --> 01:41:36.936
growth in a way that reflects local

01:41:36.960 --> 01:41:39.655
context and respects local communities.

01:41:39.679 --> 01:41:41.496
 as I said, climate action was another

01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:43.655
big theme. there were several motions

01:41:43.679 --> 01:41:45.256
 and lots of discussion about climate

01:41:45.280 --> 01:41:47.496
action. there were repeated calls for

01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:49.175
the establishment of a dedicated local

01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:51.336
government climate fund to help

01:41:51.360 --> 01:41:52.936
councils invest in things like energy

01:41:52.960 --> 01:41:55.016
efficiency, disaster resilience and

01:41:55.040 --> 01:41:57.896
environmental sustainability. cyber

01:41:57.920 --> 01:41:59.816
security and the rise of generative AI

01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:02.840
was also featured in the discussions.

01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:05.095
Um and I thought that was of particular

01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:07.175
interest as it's our community that is

01:42:07.199 --> 01:42:09.655
ex always expecting faster, smarter and

01:42:09.679 --> 01:42:11.496
more reliable digital services and and

01:42:11.520 --> 01:42:13.095
they want immediate access to tailored

01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:15.576
information. So the AI challenge is

01:42:15.600 --> 01:42:17.016
here to stay. I think it's going to

01:42:17.040 --> 01:42:18.695
really transform the way we serve our

01:42:18.719 --> 01:42:21.016
customers and communities over not

01:42:21.040 --> 01:42:23.175
the next decade over the next year 2 3

01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:25.256
years. it's fast moving every day. It

01:42:25.280 --> 01:42:26.936
feels like there's a new development in

01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:29.736
in Gen AI and um certainly some of the

01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:31.816
conversations I have with councils at

01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:33.416
the conference spoke to yeah some

01:42:33.440 --> 01:42:35.655
councils really really leaning into that

01:42:35.679 --> 01:42:37.256
and embracing it and I think that's a

01:42:37.280 --> 01:42:39.896
future that confronts all of us.

01:42:39.920 --> 01:42:41.336
conference gave me a chance to connect

01:42:41.360 --> 01:42:43.736
with many other councellors, pardon me,

01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:45.976
from across Melbourne, Victorian,

01:42:46.000 --> 01:42:48.376
indeed the country. Um I participated in

01:42:48.400 --> 01:42:49.816
a breakout planning session with the

01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:51.976
Eastern Region Group of Councils,

01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:54.135
ERG, which was White Horse, Marunda,

01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:56.296
Manningham, Y Rangers, and of course us

01:42:56.320 --> 01:42:58.615
here at Knox. it was great to chat

01:42:58.639 --> 01:43:01.175
and catch up with many mayors, our

01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:04.135
neighbors in Casey, Danny Nong, and

01:43:04.159 --> 01:43:06.135
and the mayor's mayor of Casey as well,

01:43:06.159 --> 01:43:07.655
Stefan Kerman and Jim Amedi from

01:43:07.679 --> 01:43:10.679
Danyong. Um um what did we talk about? I

01:43:11.280 --> 01:43:13.336
mean in terms of real local issues, you

01:43:13.360 --> 01:43:15.336
know, um public and active transport

01:43:15.360 --> 01:43:18.360
links, housing density, um and the

01:43:18.800 --> 01:43:20.215
different ideas and approaches when it

01:43:20.239 --> 01:43:22.456
comes to managing waste. And part of the

01:43:22.480 --> 01:43:25.175
theme was how councils need to

01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:27.496
collaborate more effectively across

01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:29.576
the invisible borders that we see at the

01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:32.215
edges of our municipalities. Um, and I

01:43:32.239 --> 01:43:34.215
came away really encouraged by the

01:43:34.239 --> 01:43:36.056
potential for more coordinated advocacy

01:43:36.080 --> 01:43:38.215
and planning at a regional level, be it

01:43:38.239 --> 01:43:40.376
through ERG or GSM, the Greater

01:43:40.400 --> 01:43:41.976
Southeastern Melbourne Group of Councils

01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:44.695
or other points of coordination., so

01:43:44.719 --> 01:43:46.376
these connections and ideas formed and

01:43:46.400 --> 01:43:48.536
sparked beyond the boundaries of Knox.

01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:50.376
they're really really important as we

01:43:50.400 --> 01:43:52.056
navigate shared regional challenges and

01:43:52.080 --> 01:43:53.816
develop creative ways to respond to a

01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:55.896
financially constrained environment.

01:43:55.920 --> 01:43:57.896
we also attended Parliament House. I

01:43:57.920 --> 01:43:59.655
attended Parliament House with with the

01:43:59.679 --> 01:44:01.175
mayor and our CEO. We met with the

01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:02.856
office of the federal minister for

01:44:02.880 --> 01:44:04.856
infrastructure, transport, regional

01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:06.215
development and local government. The

01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:08.615
honorable Katherine King MP's office. Um

01:44:08.639 --> 01:44:10.056
was a really great opportunity to

01:44:10.080 --> 01:44:12.376
advocate and speak in detail to the key

01:44:12.400 --> 01:44:13.976
infrastructure priorities that we have

01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:16.296
here in Knox. we talked about roads

01:44:16.320 --> 01:44:18.376
and transport. Um we talked about the

01:44:18.400 --> 01:44:20.376
truckless tram proposal down

01:44:20.400 --> 01:44:22.215
Wellington Road and into Roville which

01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:24.376
we want to see get moving and were able

01:44:24.400 --> 01:44:25.976
to put that view directly to the

01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:28.056
minister's office in Canberra. and of

01:44:28.080 --> 01:44:29.655
course um we were able to speak to the

01:44:29.679 --> 01:44:31.736
priorities of of our local sporting

01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:32.936
groups in terms of community

01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:35.175
infrastructure there. So overall it was

01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:38.199
a very very valuable few days and um

01:44:38.639 --> 01:44:40.376
I do I'd like to thank council and and

01:44:40.400 --> 01:44:42.376
the Knox community for the

01:44:42.400 --> 01:44:44.856
opportunity to attend on their behalf. U

01:44:44.880 --> 01:44:46.456
I look forward to dialing some of those

01:44:46.480 --> 01:44:49.016
ideas and conversations into our local

01:44:49.040 --> 01:44:50.695
context here at Knox. The way we think,

01:44:50.719 --> 01:44:52.695
the way we form ideas, bring that some

01:44:52.719 --> 01:44:55.576
of that creativity and and dynamism back

01:44:55.600 --> 01:44:58.456
in here. um particularly as we are on

01:44:58.480 --> 01:45:00.215
the cusp of shifting into budget and

01:45:00.239 --> 01:45:01.496
infrastructure planning for the years

01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:03.655
ahead. So a very worthwhile trip. I'm

01:45:03.679 --> 01:45:05.336
not sure I'll need to attend every year,

01:45:05.360 --> 01:45:07.896
Mayor, but it was my first time at a

01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:09.896
at such a conference and I did yeah find

01:45:09.920 --> 01:45:11.736
it I found it really valuable.

01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:13.816
Yeah, thank you. Thank you councellor

01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:16.215
Atwell. Um councellor Pearce, would you

01:45:16.239 --> 01:45:19.095
like to speak next?

01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:22.119
Yes, thank you madame may um I attended

01:45:22.400 --> 01:45:25.400
the attended Ala um network. so I could

01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:27.256
network with various different

01:45:27.280 --> 01:45:29.576
councellors.

01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:31.496
This was the largest group of councellors

01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:34.135
they've seen in a long while.

01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:36.856
The theme was national priorities lo

01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:39.880
need local solutions and it was so

01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:42.376
evident. What I took away from the

01:45:42.400 --> 01:45:45.095
conference is that all councellors are

01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:47.736
feeling the pinch when it comes to

01:45:47.760 --> 01:45:50.760
finances providing services which their

01:45:51.199 --> 01:45:54.199
residents expect and still looking at

01:45:54.400 --> 01:45:57.400
the financial aspects.

01:45:57.679 --> 01:45:59.496
It was so interesting to see the

01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:01.256
different solutions people were coming

01:46:01.280 --> 01:46:04.280
up to basic problems.

01:46:04.480 --> 01:46:06.536
I was also able to see different

01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:09.560
services that which Knox could benefit.

01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:12.840
 one of the sponsors was Simco which

01:46:12.960 --> 01:46:15.960
is a business located in Scoresby.

01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:19.256
Um this business provides

01:46:19.280 --> 01:46:21.496
communication equipment which allows

01:46:21.520 --> 01:46:22.936
employees working in the field to

01:46:22.960 --> 01:46:25.960
communicate back to their office. It's

01:46:26.480 --> 01:46:28.135
especially important because we have a

01:46:28.159 --> 01:46:30.456
lot of oneerson

01:46:30.480 --> 01:46:33.480
teams. So if they get in an emergency or

01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:37.496
something that they need help, this

01:46:37.520 --> 01:46:40.056
allows them to basically report back to

01:46:40.080 --> 01:46:43.080
the office.

01:46:43.679 --> 01:46:45.736
The most and the best thing I took out

01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:48.215
of the whole experience while the

01:46:48.239 --> 01:46:50.456
seminars were rather were interesting,

01:46:50.480 --> 01:46:52.856
the best thing I found was the

01:46:52.880 --> 01:46:55.416
networking and being able to listen to

01:46:55.440 --> 01:46:57.576
different people's ideas on problems

01:46:57.600 --> 01:47:00.376
that we're having at Knox. And I hope to

01:47:00.400 --> 01:47:03.400
be able to bring those ideas back and it

01:47:04.239 --> 01:47:07.239
get those implemented back in Knox. I

01:47:07.840 --> 01:47:09.416
want to thank the Knox community. I took

01:47:09.440 --> 01:47:12.215
this as my training allowance and as a

01:47:12.239 --> 01:47:14.695
training experience. It was fantastic

01:47:14.719 --> 01:47:17.256
and I really appreciate the opportunity

01:47:17.280 --> 01:47:19.416
I was given. Thank you.

01:47:19.440 --> 01:47:21.256
Thank you, councellor Pearce. councellor

01:47:21.280 --> 01:47:24.280
Lockwood, would you like to speak next?

01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:28.536
Um, so large. Yeah, I was I was

01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:29.896
certainly impressed by the numbers of

01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:31.256
people in the auditorium, bigger than

01:47:31.280 --> 01:47:34.280
I'd ever seen. Um, trackless tram, you

01:47:35.199 --> 01:47:38.199
mentioned, councellor Atwell, um, at the

01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:40.536
ETC meeting, just random thought, by the

01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:43.560
way, the ETC meeting last week, um, for

01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:46.135
some reason,, we discovered that the

01:47:46.159 --> 01:47:48.215
feds are interested in our truckless

01:47:48.239 --> 01:47:51.239
tram. So maybe you did some good up

01:47:51.760 --> 01:47:54.135
there because the feedback is we don't

01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:55.576
know any detail, don't know if they're

01:47:55.600 --> 01:47:58.296
funding anything, but they definitely

01:47:58.320 --> 01:47:59.976
interested.

01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:02.056
So

01:48:02.080 --> 01:48:03.496
good.

01:48:03.520 --> 01:48:05.655
Fingers crossed. So okay, so we had the

01:48:05.679 --> 01:48:07.175
obviously the welcome reception and the

01:48:07.199 --> 01:48:08.536
networking opportunity where you meet

01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:10.776
all these people around the exhibition.

01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:13.336
Um did my best to meet as many people as

01:48:13.360 --> 01:48:15.256
possible or connect with people I'd

01:48:15.280 --> 01:48:18.280
known before. Um quite a few people I

01:48:18.320 --> 01:48:20.615
already knew. Um I met some new others

01:48:20.639 --> 01:48:22.056
went and go around to the stands of

01:48:22.080 --> 01:48:24.056
course and ask some questions about what

01:48:24.080 --> 01:48:26.056
they're doing.

01:48:26.080 --> 01:48:28.135
Um

01:48:28.159 --> 01:48:30.776
at that particular reception I I tot

01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:33.256
reception um which was much the same

01:48:33.280 --> 01:48:34.936
thing but too dark so I couldn't handle

01:48:34.960 --> 01:48:37.336
that so I had to leave. I can't see in

01:48:37.360 --> 01:48:39.736
the dark. Maybe next week I'll see in

01:48:39.760 --> 01:48:41.496
the dark.

01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:44.215
My cataracts are gone. So um on the

01:48:44.239 --> 01:48:46.135
first day there the welcome to country.

01:48:46.159 --> 01:48:47.496
We always have those don't we? And we

01:48:47.520 --> 01:48:49.816
had the president's address which is as

01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:52.296
usual on message about um national we

01:48:52.320 --> 01:48:53.976
need to need the feds to take notice of

01:48:54.000 --> 01:48:56.056
us and implement our local local

01:48:56.080 --> 01:48:58.376
priorities at a ministerial address from

01:48:58.400 --> 01:49:01.336
Kirsty McBain Christy McBain

01:49:01.360 --> 01:49:04.135
um was very positive. Um they say all

01:49:04.159 --> 01:49:05.336
the right things about wanting to work

01:49:05.360 --> 01:49:06.776
with local government and we will

01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:09.175
achieve things together. Um whether that

01:49:09.199 --> 01:49:10.615
results in the funding is another

01:49:10.639 --> 01:49:13.095
matter. Um the opposition liberals Dr.

01:49:13.119 --> 01:49:15.496
Anne Webster gave an interesting speech

01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:17.016
which aggravated some of the audience

01:49:17.040 --> 01:49:19.655
with criticisms of indigenous delays to

01:49:19.679 --> 01:49:22.376
projects. Got a bit of a walk out but

01:49:22.400 --> 01:49:24.695
anyway it is what it is. The national

01:49:24.719 --> 01:49:27.719
senator James McRa he stayed on message.

01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:29.655
He was good and he and he talked about

01:49:29.679 --> 01:49:31.976
his listening experience and pubs and

01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:35.000
things around around Queensland. So he

01:49:35.040 --> 01:49:37.336
 he was absolutely good on message but

01:49:37.360 --> 01:49:40.056
obviously nothing much for local

01:49:40.080 --> 01:49:41.416
government.

01:49:41.440 --> 01:49:44.440
um Governor General Horsonly Sam Men was

01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:47.016
again a positive specialist quite an

01:49:47.040 --> 01:49:48.936
interesting person to listen to but

01:49:48.960 --> 01:49:50.376
again saying all these positive things

01:49:50.400 --> 01:49:52.776
about local government. Um then we got

01:49:52.800 --> 01:49:54.456
some things on Australia and the

01:49:54.480 --> 01:49:57.256
geoeconomic landscape which obviously

01:49:57.280 --> 01:49:58.776
talking about the change in the world

01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:00.776
economy particularly triggered by Donald

01:50:00.800 --> 01:50:03.256
Trump and his tariffs and what that

01:50:03.280 --> 01:50:05.336
might you know what that mean to us that

01:50:05.360 --> 01:50:07.416
some things stay the same some won't

01:50:07.440 --> 01:50:10.215
Mark Burus and Dr. Marin Marin Varl I

01:50:10.239 --> 01:50:11.416
thought Mark Burus was a little bit

01:50:11.440 --> 01:50:13.576
boring that time but anyway the thing

01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:16.056
that I really liked was take from the

01:50:16.080 --> 01:50:17.976
big picture to local action with Jason

01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:20.776
Clark and his ideas generation

01:50:20.800 --> 01:50:22.856
um

01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:24.615
I thought that was really interesting he

01:50:24.639 --> 01:50:27.336
he take us through idea formulation

01:50:27.360 --> 01:50:28.856
identification of problems risk

01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:31.095
assessment and implementation so we put

01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:34.056
the process into action so number one we

01:50:34.080 --> 01:50:35.736
might have a problem or have a fresh

01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:37.976
idea and we've got an idea what do we do

01:50:38.000 --> 01:50:40.296
with it. we need to plan how it might

01:50:40.320 --> 01:50:42.776
work. Um are there alternatives? Has it

01:50:42.800 --> 01:50:44.856
been done before? Okay. Now have a plan

01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:47.336
of action. Risks. We need the skeptics

01:50:47.360 --> 01:50:50.360
to point out um what might happen, what

01:50:50.639 --> 01:50:52.056
it might cost, where it might fail,

01:50:52.080 --> 01:50:54.936
where it might succeed. Then once we've

01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:57.095
answered that process, we then go to

01:50:57.119 --> 01:50:59.976
actually implement the idea. Um if it

01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:03.000
passes the risk, um just do it. Tell FDI

01:51:03.360 --> 01:51:05.816
just bloody do it. And that's um that's

01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:07.976
that's the point of the exercise. But

01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:09.896
it's important to separate the planning

01:51:09.920 --> 01:51:12.920
from the risk assessment. Um in fact,

01:51:13.119 --> 01:51:15.576
separate the whole four pieces of that

01:51:15.600 --> 01:51:17.576
particular process.

01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:19.256
Um

01:51:19.280 --> 01:51:22.280
so that was the ideas. Um I've got

01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:25.016
his presentation I've attached to my

01:51:25.040 --> 01:51:27.336
report which I will include. It's quite

01:51:27.360 --> 01:51:29.816
colorful. um but went into quite a bit

01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:31.736
of detail of some complex ideas

01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:33.896
challenging us to figure where to where

01:51:33.920 --> 01:51:36.920
to look for the problem. Um and that was

01:51:37.599 --> 01:51:39.256
that was quite interesting. So that

01:51:39.280 --> 01:51:41.175
that's a consultancy obviously that is

01:51:41.199 --> 01:51:44.199
about ideas and about imagination and

01:51:44.639 --> 01:51:47.639
thinking which is an amazing thing a

01:51:48.320 --> 01:51:51.320
lovely thing right up my alley really.

01:51:51.360 --> 01:51:54.360
All right. Um, debate on motions. Um, I

01:51:55.360 --> 01:51:57.016
liked councellor Atwell's description of

01:51:57.040 --> 01:51:59.256
those. That was very good. Um,

01:51:59.280 --> 01:52:00.615
fascinating to hear the diverse points

01:52:00.639 --> 01:52:02.056
of view of doing debate. Some very

01:52:02.080 --> 01:52:04.296
educative questions like the definition

01:52:04.320 --> 01:52:07.256
of a fast train. Is that fast? Very

01:52:07.280 --> 01:52:10.135
fast, super fast.

01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:11.896
We had to ask Superman in the end to

01:52:11.920 --> 01:52:14.615
give us a definition. Um, we actually

01:52:14.639 --> 01:52:16.776
argued over that. Can you believe it?

01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:18.296
Um, but yeah, some of the some of the

01:52:18.320 --> 01:52:21.016
debates were interesting. they any any

01:52:21.040 --> 01:52:24.040
motion that's not contested is just goes

01:52:24.239 --> 01:52:26.456
straight through. So I think that

01:52:26.480 --> 01:52:28.456
applied to the ones we put up. So they

01:52:28.480 --> 01:52:30.456
went straight through. Um anything

01:52:30.480 --> 01:52:32.695
that's contested is an argument over

01:52:32.719 --> 01:52:34.056
some some had some interesting

01:52:34.080 --> 01:52:36.376
arguments. So yeah, that was

01:52:36.400 --> 01:52:38.936
interesting. We had the ERG dinner. Um

01:52:38.960 --> 01:52:40.536
councellors and CEOs of our neighboring

01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:42.296
councils. It was good to meet some

01:52:42.320 --> 01:52:44.456
councils I hadn't met before. I made

01:52:44.480 --> 01:52:46.936
sure to sit on the table. All right.

01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:49.736
Initially didn't know anybody. Um so I

01:52:49.760 --> 01:52:52.760
met some new people which was good. Um

01:52:54.400 --> 01:52:57.400
um again making connections exchanging

01:52:57.840 --> 01:53:00.056
ideas especially in our own region. It's

01:53:00.080 --> 01:53:01.416
it's a it's interesting that we have to

01:53:01.440 --> 01:53:03.416
go to CRA to meet our local councils but

01:53:03.440 --> 01:53:05.736
anyway perhaps we can organize something

01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:08.536
more regular on a regular basis.

01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:10.936
Um well they launched a report there

01:53:10.960 --> 01:53:12.296
adapting together local government

01:53:12.320 --> 01:53:13.976
leadership in a challenging environment

01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:16.536
challenging climate. Kieran Power, two

01:53:16.560 --> 01:53:18.456
two Lord Mayers and Amanda Pew from the

01:53:18.480 --> 01:53:21.095
Loy Valley. Um that was an amazing

01:53:21.119 --> 01:53:24.119
thing. I go all right. Um concurrent

01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:25.575
sessions I did the housing community

01:53:25.599 --> 01:53:27.976
infrastructure. I'll attach notes from

01:53:28.000 --> 01:53:31.000
that. Um the usual usual complaints I

01:53:31.040 --> 01:53:33.336
guess except I was interested to see

01:53:33.360 --> 01:53:35.416
there's a bit of a mix across the

01:53:35.440 --> 01:53:37.175
country. Um we're not as uniform as

01:53:37.199 --> 01:53:39.816
Victoria. Homelessness and the need for

01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:41.336
housing obviously is an Australiawide

01:53:41.360 --> 01:53:44.360
issue. Um so they and of course we

01:53:45.280 --> 01:53:46.615
get into the agile argument of

01:53:46.639 --> 01:53:48.776
affordability, affordable housing versus

01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:50.296
affordability.

01:53:50.320 --> 01:53:53.175
Um some contested the planning system

01:53:53.199 --> 01:53:55.655
complexity, public and private sector

01:53:55.679 --> 01:53:58.456
disconnect, um land supply, enabling

01:53:58.480 --> 01:54:00.856
infrastructure, design and livability,

01:54:00.880 --> 01:54:03.016
making sure we're building normal

01:54:03.040 --> 01:54:04.856
housing and obviously equity and

01:54:04.880 --> 01:54:07.655
inclusion. So these issues were

01:54:07.679 --> 01:54:09.256
interesting to hear um a bit of

01:54:09.280 --> 01:54:11.175
discussion on

01:54:11.199 --> 01:54:13.816
um say that on that day two more debate

01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:16.296
on motions more illuminating debate.

01:54:16.320 --> 01:54:17.496
the general assembly dinner at

01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:19.896
Parliament House I sat with Griffith

01:54:19.920 --> 01:54:21.655
Regional Council and Darwin City

01:54:21.679 --> 01:54:23.736
Council. the people from Griffith

01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:25.336
obviously have more roads problems than

01:54:25.360 --> 01:54:28.360
we do. Um fascinating Griffith because I

01:54:29.280 --> 01:54:30.776
um they used to be famous for the

01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:33.655
marijuana I know. So um they didn't seem

01:54:33.679 --> 01:54:36.456
to know anything about that. Um similar

01:54:36.480 --> 01:54:39.416
but different challenges. So day three

01:54:39.440 --> 01:54:42.376
the ministerial panel um has had some

01:54:42.400 --> 01:54:43.896
ministers turn up and then the finish of

01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:46.920
motions and pq co um on Tuesday night we

01:54:48.480 --> 01:54:50.215
did I did see the Knox future mayor's

01:54:50.239 --> 01:54:52.615
group take themselves off to dinner on

01:54:52.639 --> 01:54:54.376
Tuesday and discuss their plan for the

01:54:54.400 --> 01:54:56.536
future. the council optics, council

01:54:56.560 --> 01:54:58.776
recontur, council of candlestick maker,

01:54:58.800 --> 01:55:01.736
councellor usari and then councellor rakur

01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:03.496
count approached councellor beans and

01:55:03.520 --> 01:55:05.256
council shakespeare in the hall of

01:55:05.280 --> 01:55:07.256
mammon to lobby for the success

01:55:07.280 --> 01:55:09.496
succession put some count compelling

01:55:09.520 --> 01:55:11.896
arguments but as with all racks hers who

01:55:11.920 --> 01:55:13.655
was prone to exaggeration with the help

01:55:13.679 --> 01:55:16.679
of a tipple three anyway I enjoyed the

01:55:16.800 --> 01:55:18.536
exhibition macarthur's coffee cart was

01:55:18.560 --> 01:55:21.016
good spoke to a number of exhibitors the

01:55:21.040 --> 01:55:24.040
park partly the parklet exhibition. We

01:55:25.920 --> 01:55:28.920
get prefabat parklets fully DDA drainage

01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:31.416
etc for a fixed price. Um made some

01:55:31.440 --> 01:55:34.440
great banners um the banner company

01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:37.800
what's it called? Banneronda very good.

01:55:38.320 --> 01:55:41.320
I had eerret

01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:45.159
that's the fin the eerret which is a

01:55:46.400 --> 01:55:49.175
eerret is a piece of software that scans

01:55:49.199 --> 01:55:51.896
all your databases

01:55:51.920 --> 01:55:53.575
and finds information because you got

01:55:53.599 --> 01:55:56.296
disperate systems like Knox has no has

01:55:56.320 --> 01:55:59.320
always had um allow seeking across

01:55:59.679 --> 01:56:01.736
diverse platforms

01:56:01.760 --> 01:56:03.816
so it's been a problem here for for a

01:56:03.840 --> 01:56:06.840
long time um to say left with agreements

01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:09.655
It's about to meet about 20

01:56:09.679 --> 01:56:11.095
councellors in the future which I haven't

01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:14.119
started yet. But that was that was my

01:56:17.199 --> 01:56:20.199
adventures in paradise at minus 6°.

01:56:22.400 --> 01:56:24.695
Thank you councellor Lowood. councellor

01:56:24.719 --> 01:56:27.416
Duncan, would you like to speak next?

01:56:27.440 --> 01:56:29.016
Yeah, thank you Mayor. Um I'm going to

01:56:29.040 --> 01:56:30.536
take a slightly different approach with

01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:32.776
my report. um cuz you've already heard

01:56:32.800 --> 01:56:34.615
about the conference program in a lot of

01:56:34.639 --> 01:56:36.936
detail and what we were all exposed to

01:56:36.960 --> 01:56:39.655
 from my fellow council attendees. Um

01:56:39.679 --> 01:56:41.336
so I'd like to take a moment more to

01:56:41.360 --> 01:56:42.856
speak about the value of my attendance

01:56:42.880 --> 01:56:44.215
from a professional development

01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:46.615
standpoint and more importantly how that

01:56:46.639 --> 01:56:48.135
investment delivers real and direct

01:56:48.159 --> 01:56:50.536
benefits to our residents. As you know

01:56:50.560 --> 01:56:52.296
council budgets for ongoing training,

01:56:52.320 --> 01:56:53.896
workshops and conference attendance for

01:56:53.920 --> 01:56:56.135
each of us. However, it's not just about

01:56:56.159 --> 01:56:58.056
a perk or a personal benefit. It's about

01:56:58.080 --> 01:56:59.416
ensuring that we as elected

01:56:59.440 --> 01:57:00.776
representatives are well equipped to

01:57:00.800 --> 01:57:03.175
make informed strategic decisions on

01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:05.575
behalf of our community. Professional

01:57:05.599 --> 01:57:07.175
development give councellors a strong

01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:08.456
understanding of local government

01:57:08.480 --> 01:57:10.296
legislation, financial management,

01:57:10.320 --> 01:57:11.976
planning, infrastructure, climate

01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:13.736
resilience, and social issues to name

01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:16.056
just a few. This means we're better able

01:57:16.080 --> 01:57:18.536
to make decisions and and we're not only

01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:20.536
wellinformed but grounded in current

01:57:20.560 --> 01:57:22.215
best practice and that translates

01:57:22.239 --> 01:57:23.816
directly to better outcomes for our

01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:25.896
municipality. When we attend

01:57:25.920 --> 01:57:27.416
conferences, we not only get to hear

01:57:27.440 --> 01:57:28.776
from a vast array of industry

01:57:28.800 --> 01:57:30.376
professionals, but also build

01:57:30.400 --> 01:57:32.296
relationships. Relationships with other

01:57:32.320 --> 01:57:33.976
councils with state and federal

01:57:34.000 --> 01:57:35.575
representatives and other industry

01:57:35.599 --> 01:57:38.056
experts. These connections improve our

01:57:38.080 --> 01:57:40.135
ability to advocate for funding support

01:57:40.159 --> 01:57:41.896
and policy changes that benefit our

01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:43.736
local area. Whether that's through

01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:45.575
grants, infrastructure upgrades, or

01:57:45.599 --> 01:57:48.215
improved services. Importantly, this

01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:49.896
learning makes us more responsive

01:57:49.920 --> 01:57:51.655
representatives. We're better equipped

01:57:51.679 --> 01:57:53.175
to understand the systems that affect

01:57:53.199 --> 01:57:55.336
our residents and to to respond to their

01:57:55.360 --> 01:57:57.336
concerns with practical and accurate

01:57:57.360 --> 01:57:59.896
advice. councellors are better positioned

01:57:59.920 --> 01:58:01.976
to question, evaluate, ensure that

01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:04.135
rateayers money is spent responsibly,

01:58:04.159 --> 01:58:06.936
efficiently, and transparently. It also

01:58:06.960 --> 01:58:08.936
brings new ideas into the room.

01:58:08.960 --> 01:58:11.095
councellors are exposed to best practices

01:58:11.119 --> 01:58:12.856
that come from elsewhere around the

01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:15.496
country and also fresh ways of thinking.

01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:17.175
Whether it's a way to improve waste

01:58:17.199 --> 01:58:19.175
management, activate public spaces, or

01:58:19.199 --> 01:58:21.256
support vulnerable community members,

01:58:21.280 --> 01:58:23.016
these are all realer benefits that we

01:58:23.040 --> 01:58:25.736
learn about that we can apply at home.

01:58:25.760 --> 01:58:27.496
And finally, when we as councellors show

01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:29.175
a commitment to ongoing learning and

01:58:29.199 --> 01:58:31.256
high standards, it builds community

01:58:31.280 --> 01:58:33.655
trust within the municipality. Residents

01:58:33.679 --> 01:58:35.655
can feel confident that their leaders

01:58:35.679 --> 01:58:37.175
are not only engaged, but are

01:58:37.199 --> 01:58:39.016
continually developing our knowledge and

01:58:39.040 --> 01:58:41.016
skills to ensure that we're ser serving

01:58:41.040 --> 01:58:43.816
people effectively. So while the in

01:58:43.840 --> 01:58:45.655
the investment in attending conferences

01:58:45.679 --> 01:58:47.896
may on the surface seem to be a rateayer

01:58:47.920 --> 01:58:49.816
funded junket, the return to the

01:58:49.840 --> 01:58:52.056
community can be very significant. It

01:58:52.080 --> 01:58:53.976
strengthens leadership, improves service

01:58:54.000 --> 01:58:56.615
de deliverability and builds a better,

01:58:56.639 --> 01:58:59.095
more capable council, especially given

01:58:59.119 --> 01:59:00.776
that this is the first time round for a

01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:03.336
majority of us. Personally for myself,

01:59:03.360 --> 01:59:05.016
attendance at the NGA has given me a

01:59:05.040 --> 01:59:06.695
greater exposure to the key role that I

01:59:06.719 --> 01:59:08.936
play as a counsellor and my ability to

01:59:08.960 --> 01:59:10.296
help shape the future through the

01:59:10.320 --> 01:59:12.856
decision-making process, developing and

01:59:12.880 --> 01:59:15.016
enacting policies that ultimately

01:59:15.040 --> 01:59:16.776
deliver better results and improve the

01:59:16.800 --> 01:59:18.296
lives of the people of Knox who I

01:59:18.320 --> 01:59:20.296
represent. Thanks.

01:59:20.320 --> 01:59:23.320
Thank you, councellor Duncan.

01:59:23.599 --> 01:59:26.599
councellor Baker,

01:59:26.639 --> 01:59:29.639
thank you. Um, very well articulated,

01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:31.816
councellor Duncan. Very impressed. So

01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:33.816
thank you for sharing your insights for

01:59:33.840 --> 01:59:36.840
that. likewise I have or like some

01:59:37.119 --> 01:59:38.776
of us will have submitted a written

01:59:38.800 --> 01:59:41.736
report which is attached in the

01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:43.896
agenda for this evening. Um I also

01:59:43.920 --> 01:59:46.776
wanted to note council well's theme of

01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:49.800
funding um and what that the challenges

01:59:49.920 --> 01:59:51.976
faced for many councils in our rate

01:59:52.000 --> 01:59:54.376
cap environment. Um and as you mentioned

01:59:54.400 --> 01:59:56.776
we have taken a lot of various takeaways

01:59:56.800 --> 01:59:58.856
from our attend various council's

01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:01.095
attendance. Um which has been very

02:00:01.119 --> 02:00:04.119
interesting. Um in addition to my report

02:00:05.040 --> 02:00:06.615
I just wanted to add that with the

02:00:06.639 --> 02:00:08.615
exception of the regional forum that was

02:00:08.639 --> 02:00:10.856
on the morning of our arrival. I

02:00:10.880 --> 02:00:12.456
attended all the sessions throughout the

02:00:12.480 --> 02:00:14.615
day and the concurrent listening session

02:00:14.639 --> 02:00:16.936
in the emergency management

02:00:16.960 --> 02:00:19.960
capability and capacity. like many of

02:00:20.239 --> 02:00:22.135
us, this was my first National General

02:00:22.159 --> 02:00:23.896
Assembly attendance since I was elected

02:00:23.920 --> 02:00:26.920
in 2020. And while I found my attendance

02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:28.536
to be very beneficial and that's

02:00:28.560 --> 02:00:31.560
outlined in my report, um I can commit

02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:33.816
that I can't justify to attending each

02:00:33.840 --> 02:00:36.840
and every year. Um, and I just wanted

02:00:38.719 --> 02:00:40.456
to also mention that I have fed back

02:00:40.480 --> 02:00:41.976
some of the information outline my

02:00:42.000 --> 02:00:44.135
report with the organization and

02:00:44.159 --> 02:00:45.736
likewise I found this to be a very

02:00:45.760 --> 02:00:48.760
beneficial um aspects to to walk away

02:00:49.440 --> 02:00:50.936
with from a professional development

02:00:50.960 --> 02:00:52.376
point of view too and I just wanted to

02:00:52.400 --> 02:00:55.400
thank our community um and that it was a

02:00:56.080 --> 02:00:57.655
decision that's not taken lightly. I

02:00:57.679 --> 02:01:00.296
certainly walked away um with more

02:01:00.320 --> 02:01:03.095
information as a counsellor. So, I I do

02:01:03.119 --> 02:01:04.615
appreciate that and that was all I had

02:01:04.639 --> 02:01:05.736
to add. So, thank you.

02:01:05.760 --> 02:01:08.376
Thank you, councellor Baker. Um before we

02:01:08.400 --> 02:01:10.135
resume standing orders, I might just

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make a few comments. I have submitted a

02:01:12.239 --> 02:01:14.776
report. I've chosen to do it that way.

02:01:14.800 --> 02:01:17.416
Um because I didn't think that I would

02:01:17.440 --> 02:01:19.175
have enough time to speak to everything

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that's in my report. And listening to

02:01:21.360 --> 02:01:23.095
everyone's reports tonight, I realized

02:01:23.119 --> 02:01:25.336
how much I actually left out of my own

02:01:25.360 --> 02:01:27.416
report and we were all at the same

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conference. Um, this is the second time

02:01:30.560 --> 02:01:33.016
that I have attended this and um, I

02:01:33.040 --> 02:01:35.416
chose to attend obviously um, in my

02:01:35.440 --> 02:01:37.175
capacity as the mayor and to support our

02:01:37.199 --> 02:01:40.056
new counsellor team, but also because the

02:01:40.080 --> 02:01:42.856
first time I attended was in 2015, so

02:01:42.880 --> 02:01:45.175
many many years ago. And when I did

02:01:45.199 --> 02:01:48.199
attend in 2015, it it was a a real eye

02:01:49.040 --> 02:01:51.416
opener to the sector for me. And I can

02:01:51.440 --> 02:01:54.376
hear um what everyone is saying in terms

02:01:54.400 --> 02:01:56.615
like as new councellors, how beneficial

02:01:56.639 --> 02:01:59.256
you found this. And I I remember back to

02:01:59.280 --> 02:02:01.896
having very very similar thoughts.

02:02:01.920 --> 02:02:04.856
attending now 10 years later. Um it's

02:02:04.880 --> 02:02:06.456
still being very eye opening and

02:02:06.480 --> 02:02:07.896
beneficial from a professional

02:02:07.920 --> 02:02:10.920
development perspective understanding um

02:02:10.960 --> 02:02:13.416
all the challenges that we collectively

02:02:13.440 --> 02:02:14.695
face in the sector and then

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independently um as individual councils

02:02:18.159 --> 02:02:20.536
as well. And obviously, you know, the

02:02:20.560 --> 02:02:22.615
sessions are, I think, fantastically

02:02:22.639 --> 02:02:25.639
planned. And um and I actually found the

02:02:26.639 --> 02:02:29.639
debate really great. So although many of

02:02:30.080 --> 02:02:32.376
the motions do go through uncontested,

02:02:32.400 --> 02:02:35.400
those which are debated really really

02:02:35.520 --> 02:02:37.496
interesting and I can't say that I found

02:02:37.520 --> 02:02:39.336
them so interesting in my first year as

02:02:39.360 --> 02:02:42.360
a counsellor but now I do. Um and so

02:02:42.880 --> 02:02:45.880
hearing those challenged um motions for

02:02:46.480 --> 02:02:49.016
me this time round as an experienced

02:02:49.040 --> 02:02:51.736
counsellor was really really insightful

02:02:51.760 --> 02:02:53.816
um and and so much more but it is in my

02:02:53.840 --> 02:02:56.840
report. Um I probably would also agree

02:02:58.239 --> 02:03:00.056
with some of the councellors in terms of

02:03:00.080 --> 02:03:01.816
their comments around visiting the

02:03:01.840 --> 02:03:03.416
exhibitors that are there because there

02:03:03.440 --> 02:03:06.440
are many many products and services that

02:03:06.880 --> 02:03:09.575
are available that I think as councellors

02:03:09.599 --> 02:03:12.056
we're not aware of. um you know we don't

02:03:12.080 --> 02:03:13.896
work in the sector we don't work in the

02:03:13.920 --> 02:03:16.856
sectors that they all come from and it

02:03:16.880 --> 02:03:19.416
just opens and expands our minds on on

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what we can also do and um apply our

02:03:23.119 --> 02:03:26.119
finances towards as well. So, um, yeah,

02:03:27.119 --> 02:03:29.416
I actually really enjoyed going this

02:03:29.440 --> 02:03:32.440
this time and, um, I probably, like

02:03:33.199 --> 02:03:34.615
councellor Baker, don't think it's

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something that,, every counsellor

02:03:36.480 --> 02:03:38.296
needs to attend every year, but I

02:03:38.320 --> 02:03:40.296
certainly see the benefits in going,

02:03:40.320 --> 02:03:42.856
especially at least once in your term.

02:03:42.880 --> 02:03:45.575
Um, so what I might do now is just move

02:03:45.599 --> 02:03:48.599
a motion to resume our stand.

02:03:49.280 --> 02:03:50.615
Yep. Sure.

02:03:50.639 --> 02:03:52.615
Thank you. Just before you do, um I just

02:03:52.639 --> 02:03:54.215
wanted to um thank those councellors for

02:03:54.239 --> 02:03:56.695
all their reports. Um so councellor

02:03:56.719 --> 02:03:58.936
Kennet, councellor Constidine, and myself

02:03:58.960 --> 02:04:01.496
um stayed back and took care of Knox, I

02:04:01.520 --> 02:04:03.496
guess. Um and with along with our

02:04:03.520 --> 02:04:05.256
director, Grant Thorne, I think we kept

02:04:05.280 --> 02:04:08.280
it all on on on track. But um thank

02:04:08.400 --> 02:04:10.296
you for your amazing reports with the

02:04:10.320 --> 02:04:11.896
feedback and everything. But I would

02:04:11.920 --> 02:04:14.615
like to specifically note um and and

02:04:14.639 --> 02:04:15.976
something that will come to reference to

02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:18.056
council at some point before October is

02:04:18.080 --> 02:04:19.816
councellor Pearce um brought back some

02:04:19.840 --> 02:04:21.736
papers on the modular parklets and I

02:04:21.760 --> 02:04:24.135
think that was very interesting for our

02:04:24.159 --> 02:04:25.816
discussion in in where we're currently

02:04:25.840 --> 02:04:27.175
at at the moment and I know that will

02:04:27.199 --> 02:04:30.199
come before council um before October.

02:04:30.639 --> 02:04:32.376
Um so it's just interesting that there

02:04:32.400 --> 02:04:34.615
are options out there that um we can

02:04:34.639 --> 02:04:36.695
consider and as as you mentioned mayor

02:04:36.719 --> 02:04:38.536
um some things we probably didn't know

02:04:38.560 --> 02:04:40.056
beforehand. So, I think that's that's a

02:04:40.080 --> 02:04:42.695
great piece of um information. So,

02:04:42.719 --> 02:04:44.056
thank you councellor P for bringing that

02:04:44.080 --> 02:04:45.175
along. But yeah, thank you to all the

02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:47.095
councellors for their reports and um the

02:04:47.119 --> 02:04:48.856
information they provided to us that

02:04:48.880 --> 02:04:50.215
stayed back and we'll get the

02:04:50.239 --> 02:04:51.575
opportunity to head there at some point

02:04:51.599 --> 02:04:53.095
in the future, no doubt. But yeah,

02:04:53.119 --> 02:04:55.896
sounds like a a a good time away.

02:04:55.920 --> 02:04:58.615
Thank you. Um so, I'm I'm going to

02:04:58.639 --> 02:05:00.296
resume standing orders, but that does

02:05:00.320 --> 02:05:02.615
that means councellors can still speak to

02:05:02.639 --> 02:05:05.639
the motion. Um I predominantly moves

02:05:06.320 --> 02:05:08.135
that we suspend standing orders so that

02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:10.376
the councellors who attended and wanted

02:05:10.400 --> 02:05:13.256
to um provide a verbal report had enough

02:05:13.280 --> 02:05:15.736
time to do so. So please feel free when

02:05:15.760 --> 02:05:18.215
we resume standing orders to debate

02:05:18.239 --> 02:05:20.135
further or add further comment if you

02:05:20.159 --> 02:05:23.016
would like to. So I will now move a

02:05:23.040 --> 02:05:24.936
motion that we resume standing orders.

02:05:24.960 --> 02:05:27.016
councellor Baker is going to second that.

02:05:27.040 --> 02:05:30.040
All in favor? Yep. We are now going we

02:05:30.400 --> 02:05:33.400
are now back into the standing orders of

02:05:34.000 --> 02:05:37.000
the motion.

02:05:40.080 --> 02:05:41.496
Yeah. So the mover of the original

02:05:41.520 --> 02:05:43.175
motion that's what you're saying? Yes.

02:05:43.199 --> 02:05:45.816
So the mover of the original motion was

02:05:45.840 --> 02:05:48.135
um councellor Atwell seconded by

02:05:48.159 --> 02:05:51.159
councellor Pearce. Um councellor Atwell

02:05:51.599 --> 02:05:53.496
would you like to speak to the motion?

02:05:53.520 --> 02:05:55.496
You reserve your own.

02:05:55.520 --> 02:05:57.496
councellor Pearce would you like to speak

02:05:57.520 --> 02:05:59.736
to the motion? No, I reserve my right.

02:05:59.760 --> 02:06:01.736
Thank you. Would any other counsellor

02:06:01.760 --> 02:06:04.456
like to speak to the motion?

02:06:04.480 --> 02:06:06.856
No. Okay. I'll now put the motion. All

02:06:06.880 --> 02:06:09.880
those in favor? The motion is carried.

02:06:10.159 --> 02:06:12.695
Thank you, councellors.

02:06:12.719 --> 02:06:15.719
Okay. We'll now move to item 8.8,

02:06:16.000 --> 02:06:18.776
response to notice of motion 176,

02:06:18.800 --> 02:06:21.736
service planning information.

02:06:21.760 --> 02:06:23.336
Do we councellors, would you like to move

02:06:23.360 --> 02:06:26.360
the motion? councellor Lockwood.

02:06:26.719 --> 02:06:29.016
Thank you. Council Lockwood is moving

02:06:29.040 --> 02:06:32.040
the recommendation seconded by Thank

02:06:32.320 --> 02:06:35.320
you, councellor Pearce.

02:06:35.360 --> 02:06:36.776
councellor Lockwood, would you like to

02:06:36.800 --> 02:06:39.800
speak to the motion?

02:06:40.000 --> 02:06:41.575
Yeah, thank you. Um, thank you for the

02:06:41.599 --> 02:06:44.296
report., I wanted to get an idea of

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what service reviews have been completed

02:06:46.159 --> 02:06:48.776
and, what they achieved. Um, I guess

02:06:48.800 --> 02:06:50.776
there's a little less in here than I I

02:06:50.800 --> 02:06:53.736
thought there would be. Um, the reviews

02:06:53.760 --> 02:06:56.760
completed a fairly high level.

02:06:57.280 --> 02:06:59.336
Um, I don't have any of the paperwork

02:06:59.360 --> 02:07:01.816
that was associated with those

02:07:01.840 --> 02:07:04.840
particular reviews. Um, so I do

02:07:05.520 --> 02:07:07.336
appreciate that and that we've been

02:07:07.360 --> 02:07:09.016
through this process, although the only

02:07:09.040 --> 02:07:10.615
ones we've seen with results are the

02:07:10.639 --> 02:07:13.639
ones that have cut services. So, um, I'm

02:07:14.560 --> 02:07:17.560
sure there's been others. Um, I just had

02:07:17.599 --> 02:07:20.055
a comment on I guess there's one in here

02:07:20.079 --> 02:07:21.336
about the removal of the youth

02:07:21.360 --> 02:07:24.296
counseling. Um when I read that report

02:07:24.320 --> 02:07:25.816
last year, I did notice there was

02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:28.456
mention of clinical risk. So I talked to

02:07:28.480 --> 02:07:30.376
my friends in the insurance industry and

02:07:30.400 --> 02:07:31.816
 told me there's no such thing as

02:07:31.840 --> 02:07:34.695
clinical risk. There is risk. Um that's

02:07:34.719 --> 02:07:36.936
not any different because it's in a

02:07:36.960 --> 02:07:39.960
counseling session. Um qualifications

02:07:40.480 --> 02:07:43.095
 psychologists often hire councellors

02:07:43.119 --> 02:07:45.655
for counseling sessions. You can get a

02:07:45.679 --> 02:07:48.215
degree or a masters in counseling and

02:07:48.239 --> 02:07:49.736
you could even get a PhD if you like and

02:07:49.760 --> 02:07:52.760
be a doctor. Um, so saying it didn't

02:07:53.119 --> 02:07:54.615
have a psychiatrist is nonsense because

02:07:54.639 --> 02:07:56.615
they just prescribe drugs. They don't

02:07:56.639 --> 02:07:58.215
they're not councellors. Our

02:07:58.239 --> 02:08:00.055
psychologists mix their business usually

02:08:00.079 --> 02:08:02.215
between counseling and therapy. They're

02:08:02.239 --> 02:08:03.655
mainly into therapy because that's what

02:08:03.679 --> 02:08:06.679
it is in their mind. So um there is only

02:08:07.360 --> 02:08:10.055
one in Knox. The report was written as

02:08:10.079 --> 02:08:12.615
though there were two each and headsp

02:08:12.639 --> 02:08:14.456
space where each actually manages headsp

02:08:14.480 --> 02:08:16.936
space. So there is only one and when I

02:08:16.960 --> 02:08:18.856
spoke to them last year they were at

02:08:18.880 --> 02:08:21.880
capacity but they did ensure say assure

02:08:22.560 --> 02:08:25.016
me that they would fit people in no

02:08:25.040 --> 02:08:26.615
matter what. So they would they would

02:08:26.639 --> 02:08:28.615
deal with the extras after Knox closed

02:08:28.639 --> 02:08:31.639
down it service. So um none of that's in

02:08:31.679 --> 02:08:33.736
here of course and the feedback from the

02:08:33.760 --> 02:08:36.135
staff um in here said there was

02:08:36.159 --> 02:08:38.536
consultation understand it was mainly

02:08:38.560 --> 02:08:40.695
negative not positive that's not

02:08:40.719 --> 02:08:43.496
mentioned. Um,

02:08:43.520 --> 02:08:45.655
I think the Kinders now there's near a

02:08:45.679 --> 02:08:48.456
billion dollars available for Kinders.

02:08:48.480 --> 02:08:51.016
So anyway, that's that's now long gone.

02:08:51.040 --> 02:08:53.416
We've we've got out of that business.

02:08:53.440 --> 02:08:55.896
Um, so yeah, I again thank the staff for

02:08:55.920 --> 02:08:58.135
putting this together. Um, gives us

02:08:58.159 --> 02:09:00.936
something of an idea of what's happened,

02:09:00.960 --> 02:09:03.416
but not really

02:09:03.440 --> 02:09:06.440
um all that I was looking for. So um, so

02:09:07.119 --> 02:09:09.256
yeah, I commend commend the report to

02:09:09.280 --> 02:09:11.816
to my colleagues.

02:09:11.840 --> 02:09:13.496
Thank you, councellor Lockwood. councellor

02:09:13.520 --> 02:09:15.175
Pearce, would you like to speak to the

02:09:15.199 --> 02:09:18.135
motion? I reserve my right. Thank you.

02:09:18.159 --> 02:09:19.896
Would any other councellor like to speak

02:09:19.920 --> 02:09:22.920
to the motion?

02:09:24.800 --> 02:09:26.776
Thank you. C councellor Baker has a

02:09:26.800 --> 02:09:28.615
question. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor

02:09:28.639 --> 02:09:31.336
Cooper. I just wanted to seek clarity

02:09:31.360 --> 02:09:34.360
with relation to councellor um Lockwood's

02:09:37.119 --> 02:09:39.816
 thought pro comments around the youth

02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:41.336
services from last year. I'm just trying

02:09:41.360 --> 02:09:43.575
to find the report from last year, but

02:09:43.599 --> 02:09:44.856
just wondering whether we could seek

02:09:44.880 --> 02:09:47.816
some clarity um about the youth services

02:09:47.840 --> 02:09:50.840
and the reason why that was reviewed and

02:09:51.360 --> 02:09:54.360
 changed in the previous term, please.

02:09:55.440 --> 02:09:58.376
Okay. Um, so you're you're asking for

02:09:58.400 --> 02:10:01.095
some information. You want to see the

02:10:01.119 --> 02:10:04.119
old report. Sorry. Um, from the previous

02:10:04.239 --> 02:10:05.736
term of council.

02:10:05.760 --> 02:10:07.336
Yeah. Just if we could seek clarity as

02:10:07.360 --> 02:10:09.336
to why that review was done and what was

02:10:09.360 --> 02:10:10.296
the rationale for us.

02:10:10.320 --> 02:10:12.536
Oh, so you're asking that question now

02:10:12.560 --> 02:10:15.560
for director Chalkley. Yes. Okay. Um, if

02:10:16.079 --> 02:10:18.215
you're able to take that question at

02:10:18.239 --> 02:10:20.536
this point in time, Director Chalkley,

02:10:20.560 --> 02:10:22.296
I could raise a point of order on on

02:10:22.320 --> 02:10:24.296
improper. I think believe it's improper

02:10:24.320 --> 02:10:26.856
to use a question to an officer as part

02:10:26.880 --> 02:10:29.880
of the debate. Um if you have a debating

02:10:30.000 --> 02:10:32.135
point, you should make it not turn it

02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:35.159
into a question into an officer.

02:10:35.520 --> 02:10:38.520
Um I I'm hearing a question. I'm not

02:10:38.960 --> 02:10:41.736
hearing debate from councellor Baker. I

02:10:41.760 --> 02:10:44.615
am hearing a direct question.

02:10:44.639 --> 02:10:47.639
Um so I'm going to allow the question.

02:10:47.679 --> 02:10:49.655
Um but however, I'm not sure if um

02:10:49.679 --> 02:10:51.336
director Chalkley can answer that on the

02:10:51.360 --> 02:10:54.360
spot. So um but by all means

02:10:56.320 --> 02:10:58.776
sorry sir can I just seek clarity you

02:10:58.800 --> 02:11:01.256
are wanting the report from the youth

02:11:01.280 --> 02:11:04.280
services review just if we could seek

02:11:04.320 --> 02:11:07.320
clarity on the rationale as to why we

02:11:08.159 --> 02:11:11.159
exited

02:11:11.679 --> 02:11:14.679
that's a youth services counseling yes

02:11:15.360 --> 02:11:17.976
um so I could circulate that information

02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:20.456
to councellors because it was provided um

02:11:20.480 --> 02:11:23.175
to councellors at the time around why we

02:11:23.199 --> 02:11:25.336
were exiting um youth services

02:11:25.360 --> 02:11:26.776
counseling.

02:11:26.800 --> 02:11:29.800
Thank you. Thank you.

02:11:30.880 --> 02:11:32.615
Would any other counsellor like to speak

02:11:32.639 --> 02:11:35.639
to the motion?

02:11:37.520 --> 02:11:40.376
Okay. There being no debate, I can put

02:11:40.400 --> 02:11:43.256
the motion. All those in favor?

02:11:43.280 --> 02:11:46.280
Motion is carried. Thank you.

02:11:47.840 --> 02:11:50.840
Okay. We now move to item 8.9,

02:11:51.679 --> 02:11:54.456
response to notice of motion 177,

02:11:54.480 --> 02:11:56.856
Christmas decorations.

02:11:56.880 --> 02:11:58.296
councellor Williams, you have an

02:11:58.320 --> 02:12:00.615
alternate, I believe, that you'd like to

02:12:00.639 --> 02:12:03.639
table. Um, while we get that up on the

02:12:03.760 --> 02:12:05.496
screen, would you like to read out your

02:12:05.520 --> 02:12:07.655
alternate? The um I just would like to

02:12:07.679 --> 02:12:09.336
mention councellors the reason why I've

02:12:09.360 --> 02:12:11.736
asked councellors to read their um

02:12:11.760 --> 02:12:13.496
alternates out tonight is because I've

02:12:13.520 --> 02:12:16.135
received feedback that um community

02:12:16.159 --> 02:12:18.135
members cannot see the alternate on the

02:12:18.159 --> 02:12:20.456
screen and they don't know what we're

02:12:20.480 --> 02:12:22.615
actually debating. So that's why I've

02:12:22.639 --> 02:12:24.296
asked councellors tonight and we might

02:12:24.320 --> 02:12:25.816
have a broader discussion around that at

02:12:25.840 --> 02:12:28.840
a later point. Um so if you can please

02:12:29.520 --> 02:12:32.520
it is very blurry apparently. Yeah. Um

02:12:32.800 --> 02:12:34.376
councellor William sorry

02:12:34.400 --> 02:12:36.055
thank you. Yes, through you may. Um I

02:12:36.079 --> 02:12:37.896
would like to put up an alternate to um

02:12:37.920 --> 02:12:40.920
item 8.9. and that is the council

02:12:41.040 --> 02:12:42.776
notes of the officers report in response

02:12:42.800 --> 02:12:45.336
to the notice of motion 177 Christmas

02:12:45.360 --> 02:12:47.896
decorations. Point two acknowledge the

02:12:47.920 --> 02:12:49.816
support from the experienced Knox

02:12:49.840 --> 02:12:51.976
working grouper mall traders association

02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:53.416
and other traders and community

02:12:53.440 --> 02:12:55.896
associations that have engaged to date

02:12:55.920 --> 02:12:57.736
 that builds on the positivity that a

02:12:57.760 --> 02:12:59.256
Christmas decorations program would

02:12:59.280 --> 02:13:01.496
build to Knox and its traders. Point

02:13:01.520 --> 02:13:03.016
three, acknowledge the importance of

02:13:03.040 --> 02:13:04.376
celebrating the festive season of

02:13:04.400 --> 02:13:06.856
Christmas as an all-inclusive festival

02:13:06.880 --> 02:13:09.175
for everyone to enjoy with a Christmas

02:13:09.199 --> 02:13:12.199
decoration program making the season

02:13:12.480 --> 02:13:14.456
marking the season apologies while

02:13:14.480 --> 02:13:16.776
enhancing civic pride and activity

02:13:16.800 --> 02:13:18.615
center visitation whilst being

02:13:18.639 --> 02:13:19.976
responsive to council's budget

02:13:20.000 --> 02:13:22.776
constraints. point four endorses an

02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:25.736
amend an amended option three as

02:13:25.760 --> 02:13:27.416
contained within the officer's report to

02:13:27.440 --> 02:13:28.936
focus only on the installation of red

02:13:28.960 --> 02:13:31.336
bows in the seven medium activity areas

02:13:31.360 --> 02:13:33.655
referred to attachment 2 as part of the

02:13:33.679 --> 02:13:35.816
pilot program to be rolled out for

02:13:35.840 --> 02:13:38.055
2025 for the festive period of 1

02:13:38.079 --> 02:13:40.456
December to 31 December at an estimated

02:13:40.480 --> 02:13:43.480
a cost of 15,000 excluding GST. Point

02:13:44.079 --> 02:13:45.976
five, authorize officers to undertake a

02:13:46.000 --> 02:13:48.135
procurement activity to engage a

02:13:48.159 --> 02:13:49.655
suitable supplier or suppliers or

02:13:49.679 --> 02:13:52.296
contractors to procure, install, and

02:13:52.320 --> 02:13:54.536
remove the red bows as endorsed at point

02:13:54.560 --> 02:13:56.856
4 in the time of the for the 2025

02:13:56.880 --> 02:13:59.416
festive period. Point six, request

02:13:59.440 --> 02:14:01.496
officers to to present a report to

02:14:01.520 --> 02:14:03.095
council no later than the end of

02:14:03.119 --> 02:14:06.119
February 26 to enable consideration as

02:14:06.159 --> 02:14:09.016
part of the 2026 and 2027 budget process

02:14:09.040 --> 02:14:11.016
outlining options for an ongoing

02:14:11.040 --> 02:14:12.856
Christmas decorations program commencing

02:14:12.880 --> 02:14:15.880
from 2026 to 2027 providing the

02:14:15.920 --> 02:14:18.296
following point A learnings from the

02:14:18.320 --> 02:14:21.320
2025 pilot program. Point B for the

02:14:21.840 --> 02:14:24.456
purpose of informing the 2026 2027

02:14:24.480 --> 02:14:27.256
budget planning process indicative costs

02:14:27.280 --> 02:14:28.776
 from more than one supplier where

02:14:28.800 --> 02:14:31.496
possible for the provision of red bows

02:14:31.520 --> 02:14:33.575
core flip bin wraps and other Christmas

02:14:33.599 --> 02:14:36.599
decorations as required. point C a

02:14:37.760 --> 02:14:40.135
more detailed overview of the potential

02:14:40.159 --> 02:14:42.456
festive shop window decorating program

02:14:42.480 --> 02:14:43.816
including promotions and trader

02:14:43.840 --> 02:14:45.336
engagement that could be included as

02:14:45.360 --> 02:14:48.296
part of the program for 2026 and 2027.

02:14:48.320 --> 02:14:50.856
Point D, a process to support community

02:14:50.880 --> 02:14:52.936
groups to assist in the installation and

02:14:52.960 --> 02:14:55.016
removal of red bows and the Christmas

02:14:55.040 --> 02:14:56.695
decorations as part of any ongoing

02:14:56.719 --> 02:14:59.719
program. Point E, consultation with the

02:15:00.159 --> 02:15:03.016
Knox multicultural advisory committee um

02:15:03.040 --> 02:15:05.976
for its feedback on the 2026 and 2027

02:15:06.000 --> 02:15:08.695
program. And the final point F um for

02:15:08.719 --> 02:15:10.296
recommendations for the roll out of an

02:15:10.320 --> 02:15:12.456
annual Christmas decorations program for

02:15:12.480 --> 02:15:15.336
all activity centers from 2026 to 2027

02:15:15.360 --> 02:15:17.655
year.

02:15:17.679 --> 02:15:19.496
Thank you. Do we have a second for the

02:15:19.520 --> 02:15:22.055
alternate motion? Thank you, councellor

02:15:22.079 --> 02:15:23.655
Pearce.

02:15:23.679 --> 02:15:25.175
councellor Williams, would you like to

02:15:25.199 --> 02:15:27.336
speak to your motion?

02:15:27.360 --> 02:15:28.936
, through your m I'd actually like to

02:15:28.960 --> 02:15:30.536
suspend standing orders while we discuss

02:15:30.560 --> 02:15:32.055
if we can.

02:15:32.079 --> 02:15:34.695
Um, I can Do you have a second to

02:15:34.719 --> 02:15:37.175
suspend standing orders? councellor

02:15:37.199 --> 02:15:40.199
Pearce. Okay. All those in favor?

02:15:43.040 --> 02:15:46.040
All those against?

02:15:46.239 --> 02:15:49.016
Okay, the motion is carried. We are now

02:15:49.040 --> 02:15:51.175
um in susp in the suspension of standing

02:15:51.199 --> 02:15:54.199
orders.

02:15:54.719 --> 02:15:56.296
Thank you through you, Mayor. Um I'd

02:15:56.320 --> 02:15:59.256
like to start off um obviously a lot of

02:15:59.280 --> 02:16:01.336
discussion's been going on since um we

02:16:01.360 --> 02:16:03.016
came in as councellors and and more so

02:16:03.040 --> 02:16:04.936
since March when I raised this motion to

02:16:04.960 --> 02:16:07.960
cancel which was supported um by most

02:16:09.280 --> 02:16:12.280
councellors. Um, I've also had a lot of

02:16:12.560 --> 02:16:14.695
discussions with Matt and the team.,

02:16:14.719 --> 02:16:16.615
Sarrenthy and Matt have spent a lot of

02:16:16.639 --> 02:16:19.016
time with me and the and the economic

02:16:19.040 --> 02:16:22.040
development team in regards to how do we

02:16:22.239 --> 02:16:23.575
create a program that's going to be

02:16:23.599 --> 02:16:26.599
beneficial to um traders but also to our

02:16:27.199 --> 02:16:29.416
residents of Knox and listening to the

02:16:29.440 --> 02:16:32.056
residents um and rate payers of Knox. Um

02:16:32.080 --> 02:16:34.776
Christmas forms a very big part of their

02:16:34.800 --> 02:16:37.800
um year um irrespective of religion

02:16:38.080 --> 02:16:41.016
or anything like that. Um and it is a

02:16:41.040 --> 02:16:43.415
time to celebrate and a time that we can

02:16:43.439 --> 02:16:46.439
all get together as a community and

02:16:46.479 --> 02:16:49.479
understanding we offer programs on

02:16:49.519 --> 02:16:52.519
other dates for other um religions

02:16:52.960 --> 02:16:55.016
and other cultures. this is one

02:16:55.040 --> 02:16:56.776
that's um quite important to the

02:16:56.800 --> 02:16:59.800
Australian culture here and one that

02:17:00.080 --> 02:17:02.216
our residents during my campaign time

02:17:02.240 --> 02:17:05.240
also um requested us to review. So,

02:17:05.840 --> 02:17:08.776
we're here now um with a point that

02:17:08.800 --> 02:17:10.695
Christmas is an important part of our

02:17:10.719 --> 02:17:13.719
year. Um I've lowered our amount, as

02:17:14.160 --> 02:17:16.455
most would note. Um I requested up to a

02:17:16.479 --> 02:17:18.216
$50,000

02:17:18.240 --> 02:17:21.240
um budget to be presented to us. Um

02:17:22.080 --> 02:17:25.080
as part of 4 of my notice of motion,

02:17:25.359 --> 02:17:27.335
or the alternate motion, I should say,

02:17:27.359 --> 02:17:29.256
 I've lowered that to 15,000 and

02:17:29.280 --> 02:17:31.736
that's to start off with red bows in

02:17:31.760 --> 02:17:33.575
seven medium activity areas. And that

02:17:33.599 --> 02:17:36.056
gives us a saving to our financial

02:17:36.080 --> 02:17:37.575
budget. I know some of us here have

02:17:37.599 --> 02:17:39.176
talked about financial constraints and

02:17:39.200 --> 02:17:40.936
what we should do as a council in in

02:17:40.960 --> 02:17:43.896
terms of protecting our rateayers funds.

02:17:43.920 --> 02:17:45.575
This is probably a more wiser use of

02:17:45.599 --> 02:17:47.575
those funds rather than spending the

02:17:47.599 --> 02:17:50.295
full 50,000. there are um some points in

02:17:50.319 --> 02:17:52.455
the discussion and in the papers

02:17:52.479 --> 02:17:54.455
provided that I probably don't agree

02:17:54.479 --> 02:17:56.615
with in terms of the expenses um that

02:17:56.639 --> 02:17:59.575
have been provided um especially you

02:17:59.599 --> 02:18:01.176
know talking about the removal of bows

02:18:01.200 --> 02:18:02.615
and things like that costing more than

02:18:02.639 --> 02:18:04.455
the installation of those is has me

02:18:04.479 --> 02:18:06.695
concerned um so I've lowered the amount

02:18:06.719 --> 02:18:09.719
to 15,000 to allow council to support

02:18:10.160 --> 02:18:12.856
that u I've also had a look at um over

02:18:12.880 --> 02:18:15.880
the last couple of um weeks um or months

02:18:16.479 --> 02:18:18.856
even requested the the costing from

02:18:18.880 --> 02:18:21.736
other um days and events that we run.

02:18:21.760 --> 02:18:24.760
And um through that discussion I

02:18:26.080 --> 02:18:28.375
found that between that $10 to $15,000

02:18:28.399 --> 02:18:30.856
figure is about what we sort of spend on

02:18:30.880 --> 02:18:33.880
our average sort of event. Um so I felt

02:18:34.080 --> 02:18:36.936
that probably um sat quite nicely within

02:18:36.960 --> 02:18:39.816
our budget um constraints. It is a

02:18:39.840 --> 02:18:42.840
program that um gives us a start. So it

02:18:43.359 --> 02:18:46.359
gives us an opportunity to kickstart

02:18:46.719 --> 02:18:49.256
um an opportunity here and recognize

02:18:49.280 --> 02:18:50.615
the importance of Christmas and the

02:18:50.639 --> 02:18:53.415
festive season within Knox and gives us

02:18:53.439 --> 02:18:56.439
the opportunity to

02:18:56.479 --> 02:18:59.335
um build on that and continue to engage

02:18:59.359 --> 02:19:01.256
on that depending on what our rate

02:19:01.280 --> 02:19:04.280
payers would like to see. I think we

02:19:04.399 --> 02:19:06.695
need to start somewhere. we've um

02:19:06.719 --> 02:19:08.295
appeared to have forgotten Christmas for

02:19:08.319 --> 02:19:10.936
quite a few years now and it's time we

02:19:10.960 --> 02:19:12.615
sort of listen to our community and one

02:19:12.639 --> 02:19:14.136
of these concerns is to bring back

02:19:14.160 --> 02:19:15.655
Christmas and various other events like

02:19:15.679 --> 02:19:18.615
that at a cheaper cost than the 50,000

02:19:18.639 --> 02:19:20.856
as I mentioned but also gives us the

02:19:20.880 --> 02:19:23.736
opportunity to reddevelop and um get our

02:19:23.760 --> 02:19:26.760
officers to prepare in a bit more detail

02:19:27.280 --> 02:19:28.776
some of the programs that we might be

02:19:28.800 --> 02:19:31.800
able to do from 2026 onwards. and it

02:19:32.160 --> 02:19:33.816
also gives the opportunity I know to

02:19:33.840 --> 02:19:35.736
those that are on the KAC or the

02:19:35.760 --> 02:19:37.896
multicultural advisory committee bit of

02:19:37.920 --> 02:19:40.920
an opportunity to raise that within

02:19:41.280 --> 02:19:43.655
that committee and get some feedback

02:19:43.679 --> 02:19:45.495
from the committee and listen to again

02:19:45.519 --> 02:19:47.655
our residents and understand that and it

02:19:47.679 --> 02:19:49.656
gives us the um opportunity to also

02:19:49.680 --> 02:19:51.496
engage with our local community groups

02:19:51.520 --> 02:19:53.656
and I think that's pretty important. So,

02:19:53.680 --> 02:19:56.680
not necessarily the council needs to do

02:19:56.960 --> 02:19:59.335
all this work. Um, I I suggest that we

02:19:59.359 --> 02:20:02.216
start with a program, but it gives us

02:20:02.240 --> 02:20:03.816
an opportunity that we get community

02:20:03.840 --> 02:20:06.295
groups involved um and give them the

02:20:06.319 --> 02:20:08.616
ability to assist with the

02:20:08.640 --> 02:20:10.776
installation or removal of things like

02:20:10.800 --> 02:20:13.415
our red bows, our Christmas

02:20:13.439 --> 02:20:14.936
decorations or whatever we might want to

02:20:14.960 --> 02:20:16.856
do. And I know even discussions that

02:20:16.880 --> 02:20:18.375
councellor Duncan and myself and

02:20:18.399 --> 02:20:19.896
councellor Lockwood and councellor Pearce

02:20:19.920 --> 02:20:21.896
and myself have also had um with other

02:20:21.920 --> 02:20:23.176
community groups. It gives us an

02:20:23.200 --> 02:20:25.896
opportunity to provide them perhaps a a

02:20:25.920 --> 02:20:28.856
revenue stream where they can assist us

02:20:28.880 --> 02:20:31.816
in what we do save us the cost but

02:20:31.840 --> 02:20:34.375
also assist them keeping them engaged

02:20:34.399 --> 02:20:36.936
with our community um on a matter of you

02:20:36.960 --> 02:20:38.936
know a bit of civic pride and a bit of

02:20:38.960 --> 02:20:40.455
giving back to our local community which

02:20:40.479 --> 02:20:42.295
is what our community groups love to do.

02:20:42.319 --> 02:20:45.319
So, um I know that this report gives us

02:20:45.680 --> 02:20:47.816
that opportunity to um further seek

02:20:47.840 --> 02:20:50.136
that. Um there is some clarity in the

02:20:50.160 --> 02:20:51.335
report at the moment that I'm still

02:20:51.359 --> 02:20:54.056
seeking in regards to what they can do

02:20:54.080 --> 02:20:57.016
at the current stage and what they can't

02:20:57.040 --> 02:20:58.696
do. And I know speaking with some

02:20:58.720 --> 02:21:01.016
community groups so far, some of those

02:21:01.040 --> 02:21:03.256
discussions might have been misconstrued

02:21:03.280 --> 02:21:06.280
um between council and them, but it does

02:21:06.319 --> 02:21:07.976
give us the opportunity now to spend a

02:21:08.000 --> 02:21:10.776
bit more time with them and developing a

02:21:10.800 --> 02:21:12.455
program that would work. And I really

02:21:12.479 --> 02:21:14.136
think our community groups be that, you

02:21:14.160 --> 02:21:15.496
know, could be lines, could be the

02:21:15.520 --> 02:21:18.295
menshed, could be um scouts,

02:21:18.319 --> 02:21:19.016
rotary,

02:21:19.040 --> 02:21:21.736
um or rotary, um it would give us an

02:21:21.760 --> 02:21:24.760
opportunity to be able to give they

02:21:24.880 --> 02:21:26.455
can give back to our local community.

02:21:26.479 --> 02:21:28.936
And it really does, I think this is a

02:21:28.960 --> 02:21:30.696
whole of community engagement sort of

02:21:30.720 --> 02:21:32.696
program, not just Christmas, but could

02:21:32.720 --> 02:21:34.136
end up being various other events

02:21:34.160 --> 02:21:36.295
throughout the year. But it gives a good

02:21:36.319 --> 02:21:39.319
opportunity for council to um bring back

02:21:39.439 --> 02:21:40.856
that civic pride. And I know that was

02:21:40.880 --> 02:21:42.455
one of the things we brought up when I

02:21:42.479 --> 02:21:44.776
um mentioned the notice of motion and

02:21:44.800 --> 02:21:47.016
I'm very passionate, very keen and

02:21:47.040 --> 02:21:48.536
yeah, I forgot to put on my red hat.

02:21:48.560 --> 02:21:51.016
Thanks, Hansel Lockwood. Um but it is

02:21:51.040 --> 02:21:52.616
definitely a season that we do need to

02:21:52.640 --> 02:21:55.640
celebrate. So um I'm all for

02:21:56.640 --> 02:21:58.216
 what's been presented and I do want

02:21:58.240 --> 02:21:59.816
to thank Matt and the team and Saranthy

02:21:59.840 --> 02:22:00.936
and the team. They've definitely put in

02:22:00.960 --> 02:22:02.776
a massive amount of work with myself on

02:22:02.800 --> 02:22:05.800
this and um I think this is the start of

02:22:06.399 --> 02:22:09.096
many things to come. So, I'm asking the

02:22:09.120 --> 02:22:10.856
fellow councellors to support this in in

02:22:10.880 --> 02:22:13.576
regards to it's a start. Let's see where

02:22:13.600 --> 02:22:15.256
it goes to. Let's support our community

02:22:15.280 --> 02:22:16.295
and what they've been talking to us

02:22:16.319 --> 02:22:17.976
about over the last couple of months.

02:22:18.000 --> 02:22:19.896
Let's build some civic pride and some um

02:22:19.920 --> 02:22:22.536
pride in our own community. And also um

02:22:22.560 --> 02:22:24.616
with the season of Christmas,

02:22:24.640 --> 02:22:27.640
irrespective again if you um believe

02:22:28.640 --> 02:22:30.536
in the religion that supports Christmas

02:22:30.560 --> 02:22:32.216
or if it's something that you don't

02:22:32.240 --> 02:22:34.136
believe in. I know I've got plenty of

02:22:34.160 --> 02:22:37.160
friends who may not attend church but

02:22:37.280 --> 02:22:39.335
still love the spirit of Christmas

02:22:39.359 --> 02:22:42.056
and the gift giving and the networking,

02:22:42.080 --> 02:22:43.656
the opportunities to catch up and those

02:22:43.680 --> 02:22:45.096
sorts of things. And it's just a season

02:22:45.120 --> 02:22:47.496
that we sort of come to wind down and we

02:22:47.520 --> 02:22:50.520
all enjoy and um yeah, very passionate

02:22:50.960 --> 02:22:53.096
about getting something like this. So I

02:22:53.120 --> 02:22:54.216
would appreciate the support. I'm sure

02:22:54.240 --> 02:22:55.656
there'll be some more discussion during

02:22:55.680 --> 02:22:57.176
the um suspension of standing orders,

02:22:57.200 --> 02:22:58.455
but that's probably all I need to say at

02:22:58.479 --> 02:22:59.415
this stage.

02:22:59.439 --> 02:23:02.439
Thank you, councellor Williams. Um,

02:23:02.880 --> 02:23:04.455
councellor Pearce, would you like to

02:23:04.479 --> 02:23:06.056
speak next?

02:23:06.080 --> 02:23:08.455
Yes, I would, Madam Mayor.

02:23:08.479 --> 02:23:10.536
Majority of our residents celebrate

02:23:10.560 --> 02:23:12.616
Christmas.

02:23:12.640 --> 02:23:14.616
I have neighbors of different faiths

02:23:14.640 --> 02:23:16.295
that come and look at my Christmas

02:23:16.319 --> 02:23:18.616
lights on my Christmas tree. They

02:23:18.640 --> 02:23:21.640
celebrate Christmas as well.

02:23:23.600 --> 02:23:26.600
We acknowledge there's so many different

02:23:26.720 --> 02:23:29.720
of different events here. We we

02:23:30.960 --> 02:23:33.496
support Pride. We support sorry day. We

02:23:33.520 --> 02:23:36.520
support Diwali, Ramadan, Hanukkah. I if

02:23:37.120 --> 02:23:39.896
sorry if I've forgotten any,

02:23:39.920 --> 02:23:42.920
but why not Christmas? This is the

02:23:42.960 --> 02:23:45.176
season where people are a little nicer

02:23:45.200 --> 02:23:48.200
to each other.

02:23:48.399 --> 02:23:50.295
In a saying in a movie, my favorite, one

02:23:50.319 --> 02:23:51.896
of my favorite Christmas movies, Love

02:23:51.920 --> 02:23:54.696
Actually, it says comes to mind, if you

02:23:54.720 --> 02:23:57.720
really love Christmas, then let it show.

02:23:58.720 --> 02:24:00.616
I've never been so disappointed when I

02:24:00.640 --> 02:24:02.056
walked in the Civic Center last

02:24:02.080 --> 02:24:03.576
Christmas.

02:24:03.600 --> 02:24:05.576
Not a decoration,

02:24:05.600 --> 02:24:08.295
nothing. There was a nativity scene out

02:24:08.319 --> 02:24:11.319
the front, not a not a streamer in

02:24:11.520 --> 02:24:14.520
sight, nothing bear.

02:24:15.520 --> 02:24:18.520
Um, no, not acknowledging the season to

02:24:19.120 --> 02:24:20.936
me seems that we're forgetting part of

02:24:20.960 --> 02:24:23.960
our our traditions.

02:24:25.520 --> 02:24:27.896
We seem to forget then Christmas is

02:24:27.920 --> 02:24:29.576
important.

02:24:29.600 --> 02:24:31.176
In my household, it was the day my

02:24:31.200 --> 02:24:34.056
father died. But I celebrate Christmas

02:24:34.080 --> 02:24:37.080
because that day is special because we

02:24:37.280 --> 02:24:40.056
always celebrated Christmas. It brought

02:24:40.080 --> 02:24:42.696
our family together. It's a time when we

02:24:42.720 --> 02:24:45.576
bring extended family in and meet and

02:24:45.600 --> 02:24:48.600
greet them. It's it's a time when we're

02:24:48.720 --> 02:24:51.096
a little bit nicer, a little bit more

02:24:51.120 --> 02:24:53.096
understanding.

02:24:53.120 --> 02:24:56.120
So why don't we celebrate it?

02:24:58.000 --> 02:25:01.000
I I can't understand with the fact that

02:25:01.920 --> 02:25:04.136
we have the most popular carols by

02:25:04.160 --> 02:25:06.856
candlelight that we don't celebrate

02:25:06.880 --> 02:25:09.576
Christmas in any other way. It's like we

02:25:09.600 --> 02:25:11.096
have carols by candle light and then it

02:25:11.120 --> 02:25:14.120
ends.

02:25:14.319 --> 02:25:16.856
We need to increase and build on the

02:25:16.880 --> 02:25:19.880
carols by candle light.

02:25:20.240 --> 02:25:22.776
And in the scheme of things, the $15,000

02:25:22.800 --> 02:25:25.176
is no more than what we spend on other

02:25:25.200 --> 02:25:28.136
events and other recognitions that we

02:25:28.160 --> 02:25:30.455
do.

02:25:30.479 --> 02:25:33.176
I would like to suggest that it's fair

02:25:33.200 --> 02:25:36.200
more than required to have it's have the

02:25:36.720 --> 02:25:39.720
bin not have the bin wraps just have the

02:25:40.160 --> 02:25:43.160
bows like suggested in the alternate.

02:25:43.200 --> 02:25:45.576
On that basis, I hope my other

02:25:45.600 --> 02:25:48.600
councellors will suggest and approve of

02:25:48.880 --> 02:25:51.656
this motion.

02:25:51.680 --> 02:25:53.816
Thank you, councellor Pearce. Would any

02:25:53.840 --> 02:25:55.576
other counsellor like to speak to the

02:25:55.600 --> 02:25:58.600
motion?

02:26:01.520 --> 02:26:04.216
councellor Duncan. Thank you.

02:26:04.240 --> 02:26:07.240
Um yes, couple of questions or or points

02:26:08.560 --> 02:26:10.616
that I'd like to note in here.,

02:26:10.640 --> 02:26:13.415
number one, one thing I'm I, you know,

02:26:13.439 --> 02:26:15.816
applaud councellor Williams for putting

02:26:15.840 --> 02:26:18.136
this forward. I think the alternate hits

02:26:18.160 --> 02:26:20.536
a lot closer to what the original intent

02:26:20.560 --> 02:26:23.560
of the of the motion was. Um, one thing

02:26:23.680 --> 02:26:25.976
that I'm not comfortable with is at

02:26:26.000 --> 02:26:28.056
point 4 where it says that we're looking

02:26:28.080 --> 02:26:31.080
at an estimated cost of $15,000 whereas

02:26:31.200 --> 02:26:33.496
in the officers reported option three,

02:26:33.520 --> 02:26:36.455
it's 15,100 approximate. I know it's a

02:26:36.479 --> 02:26:38.375
slight difference, but I'd like there to

02:26:38.399 --> 02:26:40.216
be some kind of cap on there. So we

02:26:40.240 --> 02:26:43.096
don't go we estimated as 15,000 but it

02:26:43.120 --> 02:26:45.096
ended up being 45 like most of the

02:26:45.120 --> 02:26:47.976
Victorian government big build projects.

02:26:48.000 --> 02:26:50.536
Um the other thing that I'm concerned

02:26:50.560 --> 02:26:52.936
with with it which I just think we need

02:26:52.960 --> 02:26:55.256
to tighten up a little bit more in there

02:26:55.280 --> 02:26:58.136
um is that we're actually looking at at

02:26:58.160 --> 02:27:00.536
doing this at the medium activity

02:27:00.560 --> 02:27:03.176
centers. So, we're actually excluding

02:27:03.200 --> 02:27:05.656
um the major activity centers and the

02:27:05.680 --> 02:27:08.216
large neighborhood activity centers,

02:27:08.240 --> 02:27:11.176
which is a a concern for me given that

02:27:11.200 --> 02:27:14.200
 Studfield Shops and Juan Turner Mall

02:27:14.319 --> 02:27:17.096
are considered large neighborhood um

02:27:17.120 --> 02:27:18.856
centers and they're the two that reached

02:27:18.880 --> 02:27:21.256
out to you and me to actually put this

02:27:21.280 --> 02:27:22.856
forward. So, to exclude them from this

02:27:22.880 --> 02:27:25.256
option, I think it's a bit disingenuous.

02:27:25.280 --> 02:27:27.096
 and especially after what Timothy had

02:27:27.120 --> 02:27:29.656
said earlier at Wturna Mall, the

02:27:29.680 --> 02:27:31.256
Christmas decorations being very

02:27:31.280 --> 02:27:33.335
beneficial to them there. I'm not sure

02:27:33.359 --> 02:27:36.136
that excluding those activity centers

02:27:36.160 --> 02:27:39.160
and only focusing on the medium ones um

02:27:40.240 --> 02:27:42.295
is going to be seen as us doing enough.

02:27:42.319 --> 02:27:45.319
So, um that's just a couple of points

02:27:45.920 --> 02:27:47.656
right now, but I would like to see a cap

02:27:47.680 --> 02:27:50.680
put on it. Um, also the $50,000, yes,

02:27:51.200 --> 02:27:54.200
$15,000 is a saving on the 50,000.

02:27:54.800 --> 02:27:56.536
However, that 15,000 is still not

02:27:56.560 --> 02:27:59.016
budgeted, so we will need to find it. Um

02:27:59.040 --> 02:28:01.016
I I do believe it's something worth

02:28:01.040 --> 02:28:02.696
worth celebrating and as councellor

02:28:02.720 --> 02:28:05.720
Pearce said um all all faiths with

02:28:06.240 --> 02:28:08.856
within Australia celebrate Christmas to

02:28:08.880 --> 02:28:10.696
an extent and I don't think we will be

02:28:10.720 --> 02:28:12.616
offending too many people if we actually

02:28:12.640 --> 02:28:14.536
take a stance

02:28:14.560 --> 02:28:17.016
um and and support this motion. Although

02:28:17.040 --> 02:28:18.696
I'd like to see it a little bit more

02:28:18.720 --> 02:28:21.656
robust and less open-ended and maybe it

02:28:21.680 --> 02:28:23.176
better better than what it was but

02:28:23.200 --> 02:28:24.776
probably still doesn't quite hit the

02:28:24.800 --> 02:28:26.536
mark for my level of comfort at this

02:28:26.560 --> 02:28:28.696
point in time. Thanks.

02:28:28.720 --> 02:28:30.056
Thank you. I'm going to provide other

02:28:30.080 --> 02:28:32.696
people the opportunity to speak first.

02:28:32.720 --> 02:28:34.696
Would any other council like to speak to

02:28:34.720 --> 02:28:37.720
the motion?

02:28:38.479 --> 02:28:39.415
Council,

02:28:39.439 --> 02:28:41.016
I'm happy to make my contribution when

02:28:41.040 --> 02:28:42.696
we move back to the substantive

02:28:42.720 --> 02:28:44.056
agenda. There's nothing I need to say

02:28:44.080 --> 02:28:45.896
that can't be considered or addressed

02:28:45.920 --> 02:28:48.856
as part of the the agenda on the

02:28:48.880 --> 02:28:49.896
paper tonight.

02:28:49.920 --> 02:28:52.920
Okay. Yeah, no problem. Okay. Um,

02:28:53.600 --> 02:28:55.415
Council William, oh, sorry, Council

02:28:55.439 --> 02:28:58.439
Laugh.

02:28:58.560 --> 02:29:01.496
Um, thanks for your cooperation. Um,

02:29:01.520 --> 02:29:03.016
well, people come to Australia because

02:29:03.040 --> 02:29:05.016
we celebrate all these things, not to

02:29:05.040 --> 02:29:07.016
avoid them. We even celebrate a horse

02:29:07.040 --> 02:29:10.040
race, every holiday for it., so yeah,

02:29:11.359 --> 02:29:13.976
we celebrate lots of things. Now, as

02:29:14.000 --> 02:29:15.496
councellors, we get told to stay in our

02:29:15.520 --> 02:29:18.056
lang of operational, yet here we see

02:29:18.080 --> 02:29:20.056
operational considerations thrown up at

02:29:20.080 --> 02:29:22.455
us as a way to push back. Um there's

02:29:22.479 --> 02:29:24.616
quite a list of possible costs. Surely

02:29:24.640 --> 02:29:26.536
they can't all be costs. We can't cost

02:29:26.560 --> 02:29:29.256
every program in economic development.

02:29:29.280 --> 02:29:32.280
Um

02:29:32.319 --> 02:29:34.216
yeah, that's good. And the the thing I

02:29:34.240 --> 02:29:37.240
see about this is um that that ideas

02:29:37.439 --> 02:29:40.295
generation process I talked about before

02:29:40.319 --> 02:29:43.176
 would suit this. Um the idea needs to

02:29:43.200 --> 02:29:45.256
come from someone who generates ideas in

02:29:45.280 --> 02:29:47.335
this case councellor Williams. Then

02:29:47.359 --> 02:29:49.256
you need someone who's good at planning

02:29:49.280 --> 02:29:51.576
to plan out what could happen. Has it

02:29:51.600 --> 02:29:54.216
done be has it been done before? Um is

02:29:54.240 --> 02:29:56.056
it you know is it feasible? Shall we do

02:29:56.080 --> 02:29:58.375
it? Let's make a plan for doing it. Then

02:29:58.399 --> 02:30:01.016
a different person um does the risk

02:30:01.040 --> 02:30:03.096
analysis. Okay, what's the cost? What's

02:30:03.120 --> 02:30:04.216
it going to cost us? What's the

02:30:04.240 --> 02:30:07.240
opportunity cost? Um are there any any

02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:09.415
serious risks here? And they and you

02:30:09.439 --> 02:30:11.415
modify the plan accordingly. Then you

02:30:11.439 --> 02:30:13.335
can act. I mean I think we've we've

02:30:13.359 --> 02:30:15.016
piled in the plan and the risks all

02:30:15.040 --> 02:30:17.096
together here. So this report is

02:30:17.120 --> 02:30:19.335
topheavy with risks. It just makes it

02:30:19.359 --> 02:30:21.816
look unattractive and I I actually am

02:30:21.840 --> 02:30:23.896
quite offended by that. I think this is

02:30:23.920 --> 02:30:26.856
quite deliberate and I'm not I'm not I

02:30:26.880 --> 02:30:28.536
have all that much faith that we've been

02:30:28.560 --> 02:30:30.455
treated objectively here without fear or

02:30:30.479 --> 02:30:33.479
favor. Um so I point out another thing.

02:30:34.240 --> 02:30:35.896
If a trader applies for a permit to put

02:30:35.920 --> 02:30:37.896
tables on the footpath, the application

02:30:37.920 --> 02:30:39.896
is assessed then either approved or

02:30:39.920 --> 02:30:42.455
rejected. This is ba business as usual.

02:30:42.479 --> 02:30:43.976
But when we talk about the same things

02:30:44.000 --> 02:30:46.056
for Christmas, suddenly it's extra

02:30:46.080 --> 02:30:48.455
officer time and must be budgeted. I

02:30:48.479 --> 02:30:50.616
don't believe that. Remember Christmas

02:30:50.640 --> 02:30:52.856
is two festivals, right? The religious

02:30:52.880 --> 02:30:54.536
festival and the mid-winter festival.

02:30:54.560 --> 02:30:56.776
It's always existed. It existed long

02:30:56.800 --> 02:30:59.800
before Christ. Um enterprising

02:31:00.240 --> 02:31:01.976
Christians appropriated it because the

02:31:02.000 --> 02:31:03.656
the birth of Christ was a different time

02:31:03.680 --> 02:31:05.816
of year actually. Um we just had a

02:31:05.840 --> 02:31:08.455
famous birthday to it. Um, and we we

02:31:08.479 --> 02:31:10.136
call it Christmas and and it gets

02:31:10.160 --> 02:31:12.295
co-opted and over the centuries it's

02:31:12.319 --> 02:31:15.319
built into into what it is today. So

02:31:15.359 --> 02:31:17.976
it's it's always been that if you like

02:31:18.000 --> 02:31:20.536
pagan or Roman or whatever across Europe

02:31:20.560 --> 02:31:22.136
there were midwinter festivals for all

02:31:22.160 --> 02:31:25.160
sorts of gods. Um, and we don't don't

02:31:26.000 --> 02:31:28.455
need wraps on bins. I think that's a bit

02:31:28.479 --> 02:31:30.295
overkill. We can have a single core

02:31:30.319 --> 02:31:33.319
flute. They come in at $5, $10, um, one

02:31:34.240 --> 02:31:37.240
per bin. Um, artworks never cost me

02:31:37.520 --> 02:31:39.016
$2,000.

02:31:39.040 --> 02:31:41.736
, even if I wrap on a on my car for a

02:31:41.760 --> 02:31:43.816
vinyl rack, it didn't cost anywhere near

02:31:43.840 --> 02:31:46.840
that to do the artwork. Um, and we don't

02:31:47.040 --> 02:31:48.616
need specialist companies pulling down a

02:31:48.640 --> 02:31:50.375
decorations. The community is ready and

02:31:50.399 --> 02:31:52.295
willing. We can put together a community

02:31:52.319 --> 02:31:54.216
coalition. We should involve the

02:31:54.240 --> 02:31:55.656
community for the whole journey, not

02:31:55.680 --> 02:31:58.056
just call up a resource, involve them.

02:31:58.080 --> 02:32:00.375
We can allow minor grants to buy bows,

02:32:00.399 --> 02:32:03.399
allow input. Um I intend next Wednesday

02:32:03.600 --> 02:32:05.896
with councellor Conine to talk to KAC and

02:32:05.920 --> 02:32:08.056
the multicultural advisory committee to

02:32:08.080 --> 02:32:10.056
what their thoughts on Christmas not so

02:32:10.080 --> 02:32:13.080
much on this motion but on Christmas um

02:32:13.760 --> 02:32:16.136
an idea we'll get we'll probably get a

02:32:16.160 --> 02:32:19.160
variety of views I know some of a number

02:32:19.359 --> 02:32:22.295
of them do really like the season um we

02:32:22.319 --> 02:32:24.536
can make celebrations like this street

02:32:24.560 --> 02:32:25.896
decorations available for other

02:32:25.920 --> 02:32:28.776
festivals um lunar new year tetam we

02:32:28.800 --> 02:32:31.736
have dvali ifars during Ramadan Then if

02:32:31.760 --> 02:32:33.335
groups want to have their street

02:32:33.359 --> 02:32:35.896
decorations to put up um we can

02:32:35.920 --> 02:32:38.136
facilitate that with with perhaps

02:32:38.160 --> 02:32:39.896
cheek permits or free permits especially

02:32:39.920 --> 02:32:42.056
in the first year to see what take up we

02:32:42.080 --> 02:32:44.776
get and you know talking about um color

02:32:44.800 --> 02:32:46.696
on streets. I would really love to see

02:32:46.720 --> 02:32:49.335
some color in Bronia. Um some call

02:32:49.359 --> 02:32:51.896
Bosnia um love to see some decorations

02:32:51.920 --> 02:32:54.136
along Bulset Road. Let's have a festival

02:32:54.160 --> 02:32:56.216
each month. I mean we can work to that.

02:32:56.240 --> 02:32:58.696
We can try this out. We can we can get

02:32:58.720 --> 02:33:01.720
our feet wet here and build up to um a

02:33:02.399 --> 02:33:04.616
city of a city of minor festivals. We

02:33:04.640 --> 02:33:06.776
can have ribbons on poles for all sorts

02:33:06.800 --> 02:33:09.800
of festivals. Um so let's let's get this

02:33:10.240 --> 02:33:11.816
going for the next year to 18 months.

02:33:11.840 --> 02:33:14.455
Now visual celebrations don't exclude

02:33:14.479 --> 02:33:16.216
people. They include by their very

02:33:16.240 --> 02:33:18.696
nature being public accessible and

02:33:18.720 --> 02:33:21.335
colorful. Um one thing I would have

02:33:21.359 --> 02:33:23.256
liked to have had in here which is

02:33:23.280 --> 02:33:25.976
rejected was the was to add a policy. So

02:33:26.000 --> 02:33:28.216
when the report comes back, let's have a

02:33:28.240 --> 02:33:30.856
draft policy with it. So we we develop a

02:33:30.880 --> 02:33:32.616
future a future outlook, a vision for

02:33:32.640 --> 02:33:35.640
the future. Um and some of the some of

02:33:36.160 --> 02:33:37.816
the costs I know in the Bazewater

02:33:37.840 --> 02:33:39.335
business precinct, for example, it's a

02:33:39.359 --> 02:33:41.256
bit random, but um that's got its own

02:33:41.280 --> 02:33:44.280
coordinator based in Marinda. I struggle

02:33:44.399 --> 02:33:47.016
to see how that would be impacted, but

02:33:47.040 --> 02:33:49.176
anyway, it just seems to be a list of

02:33:49.200 --> 02:33:50.936
whole lot of things thrown in as costs.

02:33:50.960 --> 02:33:52.776
But anyway, visual celebrations are

02:33:52.800 --> 02:33:54.375
good. They include everybody. Doesn't

02:33:54.399 --> 02:33:56.136
matter what it's for. see a red ribbon

02:33:56.160 --> 02:33:58.136
on a tree or a pole, it's a good thing.

02:33:58.160 --> 02:34:00.696
You don't have to feel included or

02:34:00.720 --> 02:34:02.455
excluded. Just need to feel happy that

02:34:02.479 --> 02:34:05.415
somebody's happy. That's it.

02:34:05.439 --> 02:34:08.216
Thank you, councellor Williams.

02:34:08.240 --> 02:34:10.536
Thank you. Um

02:34:10.560 --> 02:34:13.415
after hearing councellor Duncan look, um

02:34:13.439 --> 02:34:15.096
I'm happy to have a look at other

02:34:15.120 --> 02:34:16.295
areas and things like that. So

02:34:16.319 --> 02:34:17.736
definitely got no no issues with

02:34:17.760 --> 02:34:19.976
that. Perhaps a suggestion would be that

02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:23.000
we um review with the councellors the

02:34:24.080 --> 02:34:25.896
perhaps their areas that they think of

02:34:25.920 --> 02:34:28.216
importance or the the the most higher

02:34:28.240 --> 02:34:30.856
activity in their area and that we'll

02:34:30.880 --> 02:34:32.696
be able to get some traction there and

02:34:32.720 --> 02:34:35.720
perhaps um by midmon next month as a

02:34:35.920 --> 02:34:38.136
suggestion that we present those and we

02:34:38.160 --> 02:34:39.896
go ahead with those should this motion

02:34:39.920 --> 02:34:42.696
pass. Um

02:34:42.720 --> 02:34:44.216
that's just something I'm throwing out

02:34:44.240 --> 02:34:46.136
there. I do agree with councellor

02:34:46.160 --> 02:34:47.576
Lockwood. I think it's in involving

02:34:47.600 --> 02:34:49.256
community is probably my number one

02:34:49.280 --> 02:34:51.415
point which is probably hard to stress

02:34:51.439 --> 02:34:54.295
in you know such a long document but

02:34:54.319 --> 02:34:55.656
involving the community and getting

02:34:55.680 --> 02:34:57.656
their help and assistance in making this

02:34:57.680 --> 02:35:00.056
happen is probably very important for

02:35:00.080 --> 02:35:03.080
future years to come. Um and I'm also

02:35:04.479 --> 02:35:05.816
all for the caps. I think councellor

02:35:05.840 --> 02:35:08.216
Duncan raised a good point there. Um

02:35:08.240 --> 02:35:09.736
yeah, I hate the word estimate to be

02:35:09.760 --> 02:35:11.576
honest. I think I do agree. I think

02:35:11.600 --> 02:35:13.016
we've got to be careful with our funds

02:35:13.040 --> 02:35:16.040
and and I would hate it to go from 15

02:35:16.319 --> 02:35:19.319
to 45. Not saying it will, but um I

02:35:19.439 --> 02:35:22.439
would hate to leave that an open um

02:35:22.960 --> 02:35:25.960
blank check. Um and probably my last

02:35:27.200 --> 02:35:28.375
point on this one is we used to

02:35:28.399 --> 02:35:30.375
celebrate it here in Knox. Um, as

02:35:30.399 --> 02:35:32.616
councellor Pearce mentioned, we used to

02:35:32.640 --> 02:35:34.375
um used to celebrate it quite well and

02:35:34.399 --> 02:35:37.399
and there was, you know, um, flags on

02:35:38.080 --> 02:35:40.216
the on the polls at um, Studfield and

02:35:40.240 --> 02:35:41.415
things like that that celebrated

02:35:41.439 --> 02:35:43.656
Christmas. U, and my question to all the

02:35:43.680 --> 02:35:46.295
councellors would be, what have we lost?

02:35:46.319 --> 02:35:48.696
Um, and can is there an opportunity to

02:35:48.720 --> 02:35:51.256
bring this back?

02:35:51.280 --> 02:35:53.096
Thank you. Would any other councellor

02:35:53.120 --> 02:35:56.120
like to speak to the motion?

02:35:57.120 --> 02:35:58.936
Okay, I'll now move a motion that we

02:35:58.960 --> 02:36:00.856
resume standing orders. Can I have a

02:36:00.880 --> 02:36:03.880
second, please? councellor Duncan. Thank

02:36:04.160 --> 02:36:07.016
you. All those in favor? Okay, we are

02:36:07.040 --> 02:36:10.040
now under um our usual standing orders.

02:36:11.200 --> 02:36:14.200
Um and councellor Williams, you actually

02:36:14.240 --> 02:36:17.240
moved the motion and councellor Pearce

02:36:17.600 --> 02:36:19.816
seconded the motion. Would you like to

02:36:19.840 --> 02:36:22.840
speak to the motion?

02:36:23.120 --> 02:36:26.120
 yes, through you, mayor. I would. Um,

02:36:26.399 --> 02:36:28.776
but I'd just like a pause if I can. Um,

02:36:28.800 --> 02:36:31.800
just so I can um,, just discuss. I've

02:36:32.479 --> 02:36:34.696
just a good point's been raised to me

02:36:34.720 --> 02:36:36.216
just by my fellow counsellor and I just

02:36:36.240 --> 02:36:37.976
like a bit of discussion time if I could

02:36:38.000 --> 02:36:38.776
on that. I don't know if that's all

02:36:38.800 --> 02:36:39.096
right.

02:36:39.120 --> 02:36:40.936
You are on the clock, but that's okay.

02:36:40.960 --> 02:36:41.256
Okay.

02:36:41.280 --> 02:36:44.280
Y,

02:36:46.960 --> 02:36:49.576
he's got 5 minutes. So, he's moved. He's

02:36:49.600 --> 02:36:52.600
moved the motion.

02:37:47.760 --> 02:37:50.216
 through you may um the discussion

02:37:50.240 --> 02:37:51.896
with a couple of my fellow colleagues

02:37:51.920 --> 02:37:53.896
and I think um councellor Duncan raises a

02:37:53.920 --> 02:37:56.136
good point on this in regards to there's

02:37:56.160 --> 02:37:58.696
there's probably some changes we further

02:37:58.720 --> 02:38:01.176
need to make to the um alternative in

02:38:01.200 --> 02:38:02.856
terms of the cap and the centers we have

02:38:02.880 --> 02:38:04.696
this in

02:38:04.720 --> 02:38:06.856
um I would like to seek a deferral until

02:38:06.880 --> 02:38:09.880
the midmon meeting where we can

02:38:10.720 --> 02:38:12.776
further tighten up this document

02:38:12.800 --> 02:38:14.936
um and get further support from fellow

02:38:14.960 --> 02:38:17.960
councellors.

02:38:19.840 --> 02:38:22.840
Um just give me one moment.

02:41:08.960 --> 02:41:11.736
Okay. Um, so we we're just seeking some

02:41:11.760 --> 02:41:14.056
clarity on time frames, timelines, how

02:41:14.080 --> 02:41:16.056
things can be done. But what we do need

02:41:16.080 --> 02:41:18.616
to deal with right now is that obviously

02:41:18.640 --> 02:41:21.176
the motion has been moved and seconded

02:41:21.200 --> 02:41:23.256
and spoken to and we do need to deal

02:41:23.280 --> 02:41:26.056
with the motion that's on the table. So

02:41:26.080 --> 02:41:28.216
we have an option

02:41:28.240 --> 02:41:31.176
to adjourn the meeting and have a

02:41:31.200 --> 02:41:33.736
discussion about what it is that the

02:41:33.760 --> 02:41:36.295
mover and seconder would like to change

02:41:36.319 --> 02:41:39.319
in the motion that's on the screen. Um

02:41:40.720 --> 02:41:43.720
otherwise I think we're going to um

02:41:44.560 --> 02:41:46.536
we're going to struggle with the

02:41:46.560 --> 02:41:48.455
deferment because we have to we actually

02:41:48.479 --> 02:41:51.016
have to vote on this motion first.

02:41:51.040 --> 02:41:54.040
Why a deferral takes precedence?

02:41:54.399 --> 02:41:56.136
Not when a motion's been moved and

02:41:56.160 --> 02:41:58.856
seconded and spoken to. You can withdraw

02:41:58.880 --> 02:42:00.375
the motion.

02:42:00.399 --> 02:42:03.399
Withdraw.

02:42:04.080 --> 02:42:06.455
I think you can.

02:42:06.479 --> 02:42:08.295
Yeah.

02:42:08.319 --> 02:42:09.415
Time frames if that's helpful.

02:42:09.439 --> 02:42:12.056
Okay. Please.

02:42:12.080 --> 02:42:14.216
If I may through May just um just time

02:42:14.240 --> 02:42:15.896
frames is what we were discussing before

02:42:15.920 --> 02:42:18.616
and I guess the question of um the

02:42:18.640 --> 02:42:20.696
earlier we have a decision on this from

02:42:20.720 --> 02:42:23.016
so that um officers can then map a way

02:42:23.040 --> 02:42:24.936
forward because there's quite a lead

02:42:24.960 --> 02:42:27.016
time we're talking about um decorations

02:42:27.040 --> 02:42:28.536
that need to be need to go through that

02:42:28.560 --> 02:42:30.616
planning the procurement process

02:42:30.640 --> 02:42:32.375
obviously arranging the distribution and

02:42:32.399 --> 02:42:33.976
having those in place you know well

02:42:34.000 --> 02:42:35.736
before Christmas like that time will go

02:42:35.760 --> 02:42:38.375
pretty quickly. So,, if it were

02:42:38.399 --> 02:42:40.375
possible to get a resolution on this

02:42:40.399 --> 02:42:42.216
tonight through an adjournment and some

02:42:42.240 --> 02:42:44.295
discussion and to land on something,

02:42:44.319 --> 02:42:45.976
that would give us that extra time.

02:42:46.000 --> 02:42:47.496
This is a council decision.

02:42:47.520 --> 02:42:49.096
No, that's right. I'm just the decision.

02:42:49.120 --> 02:42:52.056
Of of course it is, councellor. Um, all

02:42:52.080 --> 02:42:54.936
I'm saying is that the longer it it if I

02:42:54.960 --> 02:42:57.415
can finish. Yeah. Um, that the longer

02:42:57.439 --> 02:42:59.176
that that goes out, the less time there

02:42:59.200 --> 02:43:00.696
is to do it. We want to make sure that

02:43:00.720 --> 02:43:02.455
whatever is implemented is as successful

02:43:02.479 --> 02:43:04.136
as it can be. So I'm just raising that

02:43:04.160 --> 02:43:06.616
as a risk um for councellors to make sure

02:43:06.640 --> 02:43:09.576
that that's understood.

02:43:09.600 --> 02:43:12.600
Thank you. Um so I will um refer that

02:43:15.600 --> 02:43:18.600
information to the mover and ask the

02:43:19.439 --> 02:43:21.896
mover what would you like to do? Would

02:43:21.920 --> 02:43:23.736
you like to carry forth? Would you like

02:43:23.760 --> 02:43:26.295
to adjourn the meeting or would you like

02:43:26.319 --> 02:43:29.319
to um withdraw your um your motion?

02:43:31.840 --> 02:43:34.840
through you may just um based on that

02:43:34.880 --> 02:43:36.936
advice I'm reading the report and the

02:43:36.960 --> 02:43:38.136
report actually says that the orders

02:43:38.160 --> 02:43:39.656
need to be placed by the 1st of October

02:43:39.680 --> 02:43:41.816
2025

02:43:41.840 --> 02:43:44.840
so um 2 weeks to take us to middle of

02:43:46.000 --> 02:43:47.335
August does that still not give us

02:43:47.359 --> 02:43:48.536
enough time it's probably a question

02:43:48.560 --> 02:43:50.616
the the advice that you're receiving at

02:43:50.640 --> 02:43:52.856
this point in time is no

02:43:52.880 --> 02:43:55.496
it was in the written report

02:43:55.520 --> 02:43:58.295
no but it's a ch it's it challenges the

02:43:58.319 --> 02:44:01.255
process and increases the risk of time

02:44:01.279 --> 02:44:02.136
frames.

02:44:02.160 --> 02:44:03.576
Yes. Can I argue that the report

02:44:03.600 --> 02:44:06.600
actually does state on page 298 of 315,

02:44:06.640 --> 02:44:08.295
advanced notice is required to deliver

02:44:08.319 --> 02:44:10.375
500 bows for the upcoming season. To

02:44:10.399 --> 02:44:11.896
meet the proposed time frame, orders

02:44:11.920 --> 02:44:13.255
should be placed no later than the 1st

02:44:13.279 --> 02:44:16.279
of October 2025.

02:44:17.760 --> 02:44:19.255
Is that information not correct? And

02:44:19.279 --> 02:44:21.335
we're asking when being asked to change

02:44:21.359 --> 02:44:22.776
the decision based on an earlier time

02:44:22.800 --> 02:44:23.816
frame. I'm just trying to get some

02:44:23.840 --> 02:44:24.696
clarity around that.

02:44:24.720 --> 02:44:27.576
Yep. Um I'll refer that question to

02:44:27.600 --> 02:44:28.216
yourself.

02:44:28.240 --> 02:44:29.496
Sure.

02:44:29.520 --> 02:44:31.335
No, I'm certainly not saying that it

02:44:31.359 --> 02:44:33.736
can't be done if it's deferred. Saying

02:44:33.760 --> 02:44:35.736
it's less time to be able to undertake

02:44:35.760 --> 02:44:37.736
the planning and the design. There's

02:44:37.760 --> 02:44:40.375
obviously um a procurement process

02:44:40.399 --> 02:44:42.295
leading up to the placing of the order

02:44:42.319 --> 02:44:43.736
because we would seek quotes from

02:44:43.760 --> 02:44:46.455
multiple multiple um organizations under

02:44:46.479 --> 02:44:48.536
our procurement policy. So there's a

02:44:48.560 --> 02:44:50.536
lead time to that. So I'm not saying it

02:44:50.560 --> 02:44:51.576
can't be done. I'm just saying it

02:44:51.600 --> 02:44:53.255
increases. We want to give this the best

02:44:53.279 --> 02:44:54.936
chance of success if we are

02:44:54.960 --> 02:44:57.176
implementing. Um so it's just important

02:44:57.200 --> 02:44:58.616
that councellors have that information

02:44:58.640 --> 02:45:01.640
before

02:45:01.920 --> 02:45:03.496
based on that me can can I ask for an

02:45:03.520 --> 02:45:04.936
adjournment?

02:45:04.960 --> 02:45:07.960
Yes certainly. Um so I'll second that.

02:45:09.279 --> 02:45:11.335
So um councellor Williams has asked for

02:45:11.359 --> 02:45:14.359
an adjournment. We'll adjourn for

02:45:14.960 --> 02:45:17.576
15 minutes.

02:45:17.600 --> 02:45:20.216
Um I'll second that. All those in favor

02:45:20.240 --> 02:45:21.976
we get to speak to the adjournment or

02:45:22.000 --> 02:45:22.936
not.

02:45:22.960 --> 02:45:23.816
Oh

02:45:23.840 --> 02:45:25.255
sorry. Okay. Yes.

02:45:25.279 --> 02:45:27.016
 I don't support the adjournment. I

02:45:27.040 --> 02:45:29.255
think this we've spent enough time as

02:45:29.279 --> 02:45:31.016
has been discussed. This has been

02:45:31.040 --> 02:45:33.255
through several iterations already and

02:45:33.279 --> 02:45:36.279
this is now by far the the item that

02:45:36.800 --> 02:45:38.536
we spent the longest discussing tonight

02:45:38.560 --> 02:45:39.816
and I think we need to keep some

02:45:39.840 --> 02:45:41.976
perspective on where we are and move

02:45:42.000 --> 02:45:43.255
this through and deal with it this

02:45:43.279 --> 02:45:44.936
evening. I won't be supporting the

02:45:44.960 --> 02:45:46.856
adjournment. We're here to discuss this.

02:45:46.880 --> 02:45:48.056
We've been through a suspension of

02:45:48.080 --> 02:45:49.656
standing orders. For what reason, I

02:45:49.680 --> 02:45:51.656
don't know. We're back with the agenda.

02:45:51.680 --> 02:45:54.056
We need to deal with it and move on. So,

02:45:54.080 --> 02:45:56.216
put the deferral. If a deferral is

02:45:56.240 --> 02:45:58.216
sought, move to withdraw. But I think we

02:45:58.240 --> 02:46:00.295
need to um deal with this and get on

02:46:00.319 --> 02:46:02.776
with it.

02:46:02.800 --> 02:46:04.776
Um I think that you make some very good

02:46:04.800 --> 02:46:06.776
points there, councellor Atwell.

02:46:06.800 --> 02:46:08.536
I'd speak against the adjournment, too.

02:46:08.560 --> 02:46:11.560
I think we need to defer

02:46:13.680 --> 02:46:16.680
the motion for

02:46:16.800 --> 02:46:19.255
No. So we're actually that the motion on

02:46:19.279 --> 02:46:22.056
the table is that we are def um we are

02:46:22.080 --> 02:46:25.080
we are deferring for 15 minutes

02:46:25.439 --> 02:46:28.056
adjourning sorry the words sorry I know

02:46:28.080 --> 02:46:30.295
what I mean but I've got to say them um

02:46:30.319 --> 02:46:32.936
yes so the motion on the table is that

02:46:32.960 --> 02:46:34.776
we are going to adjourn the meeting for

02:46:34.800 --> 02:46:36.536
15 minutes that's what we're about to

02:46:36.560 --> 02:46:39.560
vote on would anybody like to speak to

02:46:39.840 --> 02:46:42.696
the adjournment

02:46:42.720 --> 02:46:45.335
council Baker I agree I think this has

02:46:45.359 --> 02:46:47.176
been a long time in in the discussion

02:46:47.200 --> 02:46:48.616
point and I just think we need to deal

02:46:48.640 --> 02:46:50.295
with this talent. Thank you.

02:46:50.319 --> 02:46:51.176
Thank you.

02:46:51.200 --> 02:46:54.200
On any further comments from councellors,

02:46:54.880 --> 02:46:57.096
council Pearce,

02:46:57.120 --> 02:46:59.816
we adjourned the um minor works for two

02:46:59.840 --> 02:47:01.415
weeks. What is the difference between

02:47:01.439 --> 02:47:03.496
this and the minor works?

02:47:03.520 --> 02:47:05.016
It's not a debate. It's

02:47:05.040 --> 02:47:07.255
No, I'm just ask I'm asking a question.

02:47:07.279 --> 02:47:09.016
What is the difference between the minor

02:47:09.040 --> 02:47:11.016
works that got deferred for two weeks

02:47:11.040 --> 02:47:14.040
and this report? This is an adjournment.

02:47:15.200 --> 02:47:18.200
Yeah, this this is an adjournment.

02:47:19.600 --> 02:47:21.896
Okay. So, yes, Council Duncan has asked

02:47:21.920 --> 02:47:24.536
that we put the motion.

02:47:24.560 --> 02:47:26.776
Um, do I now need to get a second to put

02:47:26.800 --> 02:47:29.800
the motion?

02:47:30.000 --> 02:47:32.616
I'll second it from the chair. All All

02:47:32.640 --> 02:47:35.640
those in favor to put the motion

02:47:37.359 --> 02:47:39.176
of the adjournment.

02:47:39.200 --> 02:47:42.200
Put the motion on the adjournment. Stop

02:47:42.479 --> 02:47:44.375
debating the adjournment. Put the motion

02:47:44.399 --> 02:47:47.399
of the adjournment.

02:47:48.240 --> 02:47:51.240
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So that is carried.

02:47:52.160 --> 02:47:54.936
Okay. I will now put the motion on the

02:47:54.960 --> 02:47:57.736
on the adjournment to 15 minutes. All

02:47:57.760 --> 02:48:00.760
those in favor?

02:48:03.040 --> 02:48:06.040
All those against.

02:48:06.640 --> 02:48:09.096
So we will not be adjourning. The other

02:48:09.120 --> 02:48:12.120
option is

02:48:13.120 --> 02:48:15.576
no.

02:48:15.600 --> 02:48:18.136
We now return back

02:48:18.160 --> 02:48:21.160
to the motion the alternate motion which

02:48:22.080 --> 02:48:25.080
councellor Williams has spoken to.

02:48:26.399 --> 02:48:29.399
Yep.

02:49:34.160 --> 02:49:36.056
So, we're there. We're on track. We're

02:49:36.080 --> 02:49:38.536
there. So, the motion we are referring

02:49:38.560 --> 02:49:40.375
back to is the alternate motion which

02:49:40.399 --> 02:49:43.399
has been tabled by councellor Williams um

02:49:43.439 --> 02:49:45.415
and seconded by councellor Pearce.

02:49:45.439 --> 02:49:47.176
councellor Williams has spoken to the

02:49:47.200 --> 02:49:49.255
motion. He's indicated that he would

02:49:49.279 --> 02:49:51.816
like to withdraw the motion this evening

02:49:51.840 --> 02:49:52.616
or defer.

02:49:52.640 --> 02:49:54.455
Could I ask a question before councellor

02:49:54.479 --> 02:49:56.295
Williams answers that?

02:49:56.319 --> 02:49:59.255
It's getting very confusing, but um go

02:49:59.279 --> 02:49:59.736
ahead.

02:49:59.760 --> 02:50:02.760
Just a question. Um if councellor

02:50:03.120 --> 02:50:05.255
Williams was to defer this, we have the

02:50:05.279 --> 02:50:07.335
ability to defer it to the midmon

02:50:07.359 --> 02:50:10.359
meeting, which is in two weeks. Um, am I

02:50:10.399 --> 02:50:12.375
correct in assuming that if this motion

02:50:12.399 --> 02:50:14.856
is withdrawn, it cannot be represented

02:50:14.880 --> 02:50:16.696
until the next full month meeting, which

02:50:16.720 --> 02:50:19.096
would put us four weeks down the track,

02:50:19.120 --> 02:50:21.176
and I believe 2 weeks would be enough to

02:50:21.200 --> 02:50:24.200
iron out these little kinks that we've

02:50:24.640 --> 02:50:27.335
debated here. So, it it am I correct

02:50:27.359 --> 02:50:28.856
there that if we withdraw this, this

02:50:28.880 --> 02:50:30.295
would take another four weeks to come

02:50:30.319 --> 02:50:32.056
back to council, whereas a deferral, it

02:50:32.080 --> 02:50:35.016
could come back amended slightly at our

02:50:35.040 --> 02:50:36.856
midmon council meeting and make it only

02:50:36.880 --> 02:50:39.576
two weeks down the track.

02:50:39.600 --> 02:50:41.096
All right, I'll get some clarity for

02:50:41.120 --> 02:50:43.096
your question

02:50:43.120 --> 02:50:46.120
Check.

02:54:42.000 --> 02:54:45.000
Okay. Um, I'm going to refer councellor

02:54:45.200 --> 02:54:48.136
Duncan's question to our CEO to be

02:54:48.160 --> 02:54:50.216
answered, please.

02:54:50.240 --> 02:54:51.656
And just for absolute clarity, I might

02:54:51.680 --> 02:54:53.335
ask councellor Dun to repeat his question

02:54:53.359 --> 02:54:55.656
just so it's very clear. Thank you.

02:54:55.680 --> 02:54:57.736
Thank you.

02:54:57.760 --> 02:55:00.760
Um my my question was regarding the

02:55:00.960 --> 02:55:02.856
difference between a deferral and a

02:55:02.880 --> 02:55:05.880
withdrawal. So, if if the original mover

02:55:07.040 --> 02:55:09.415
was to defer or put that this be

02:55:09.439 --> 02:55:12.056
deferred for 2 weeks, could this come to

02:55:12.080 --> 02:55:14.696
a midmon council meeting? Cuz my

02:55:14.720 --> 02:55:17.096
understanding is that as councellors, we

02:55:17.120 --> 02:55:19.816
can't bring forward additional notices

02:55:19.840 --> 02:55:22.455
of motion like if it's withdrawn, it

02:55:22.479 --> 02:55:23.896
would have to start the process again,

02:55:23.920 --> 02:55:26.375
which means it could only come to a full

02:55:26.399 --> 02:55:28.455
council meeting. And just on that point

02:55:28.479 --> 02:55:30.136
also, I'd like to add that the

02:55:30.160 --> 02:55:32.295
withdrawal of a motion can be withdrawn

02:55:32.319 --> 02:55:34.856
at any point before it's voted on. So if

02:55:34.880 --> 02:55:37.255
we withdrew it, we would have to wait at

02:55:37.279 --> 02:55:39.816
least 4 weeks to bring this back or it

02:55:39.840 --> 02:55:41.976
could be brought back next midmon

02:55:42.000 --> 02:55:43.496
meeting.

02:55:43.520 --> 02:55:45.016
Yeah. Through your chair, it could be

02:55:45.040 --> 02:55:47.415
brought back at the midmon meeting. Um

02:55:47.439 --> 02:55:49.576
so the process to achieve that would if

02:55:49.600 --> 02:55:51.496
it was council's desire that the item

02:55:51.520 --> 02:55:54.136
come to the midmon meeting in August. Um

02:55:54.160 --> 02:55:55.496
there's probably two steps that would be

02:55:55.520 --> 02:55:57.016
required from where we are now. One

02:55:57.040 --> 02:55:59.496
would be to withdraw the current

02:55:59.520 --> 02:56:01.656
motion that's on the table and the

02:56:01.680 --> 02:56:04.056
governance rules state that um it can be

02:56:04.080 --> 02:56:05.496
withdrawn by the mover and the second

02:56:05.520 --> 02:56:08.216
with the leave of council before the

02:56:08.240 --> 02:56:09.816
motion's put to vote as you said

02:56:09.840 --> 02:56:12.455
councellor Duncan and then secondly that

02:56:12.479 --> 02:56:14.056
be followed then by a motion to defer

02:56:14.080 --> 02:56:16.616
the item to the future council meeting

02:56:16.640 --> 02:56:18.136
which could come back to the bid meeting

02:56:18.160 --> 02:56:21.160
in two weeks time.

02:56:21.680 --> 02:56:24.680
Okay. So I will now um ask councellor

02:56:25.359 --> 02:56:27.496
Williams

02:56:27.520 --> 02:56:29.335
to respond.

02:56:29.359 --> 02:56:32.136
What would you

02:56:32.160 --> 02:56:33.976
 yeah through you may um based on that

02:56:34.000 --> 02:56:37.000
advice from um our CEO I would like to

02:56:37.520 --> 02:56:40.520
withdraw um the alternate but request

02:56:41.840 --> 02:56:44.840
a move to defer

02:56:45.920 --> 02:56:48.920
um I think has become

02:57:03.040 --> 02:57:06.040
So, um, okay.

02:57:06.560 --> 02:57:08.375
What we're doing is withdrawing the

02:57:08.399 --> 02:57:11.399
motion, not deferring the motion. Um,

02:57:11.439 --> 02:57:13.335
and when you withdraw the motion, it is

02:57:13.359 --> 02:57:15.816
with leave of counsel. So my

02:57:15.840 --> 02:57:17.816
understanding is if one counsellor

02:57:17.840 --> 02:57:20.840
objects to that it can't be withdrawn.

02:57:21.120 --> 02:57:23.656
Is that correct?

02:57:23.680 --> 02:57:26.680
Okay. So um councellor Williams is

02:57:28.319 --> 02:57:30.056
putting forth that he would like to

02:57:30.080 --> 02:57:32.136
withdraw the motion seconded by

02:57:32.160 --> 02:57:35.160
councellor Pearce.

02:57:36.640 --> 02:57:39.640
Yep. Um and um I'll now call to

02:57:40.399 --> 02:57:42.216
councellors if it's agreed by all

02:57:42.240 --> 02:57:44.856
councellors.

02:57:44.880 --> 02:57:47.016
Sorry. If one person disagrees, that's

02:57:47.040 --> 02:57:48.936
overridden. That's not democracy. When a

02:57:48.960 --> 02:57:50.455
majority vote has

02:57:50.479 --> 02:57:52.136
um that's the governance advice I've

02:57:52.160 --> 02:57:53.896
been given.

02:57:53.920 --> 02:57:56.056
So, I'll I'll read out the clause or

02:57:56.080 --> 02:57:58.856
actually um Mr. Darling has it in front

02:57:58.880 --> 02:58:00.616
of him. So, if you would like to read it

02:58:00.640 --> 02:58:03.640
out.

02:58:04.960 --> 02:58:07.016
Thank you. Through you, Mayor. Um rule

02:58:07.040 --> 02:58:08.936
77.5

02:58:08.960 --> 02:58:11.960
gives guidance to um where leave of

02:58:12.000 --> 02:58:14.936
council is required. Um and where an

02:58:14.960 --> 02:58:16.696
action or decision under these rules is

02:58:16.720 --> 02:58:18.216
dependent upon obtaining leave of the

02:58:18.240 --> 02:58:20.295
meeting or leave of council. The

02:58:20.319 --> 02:58:22.375
chairperson can take leave to have been

02:58:22.399 --> 02:58:24.536
granted if before taking the action they

02:58:24.560 --> 02:58:26.536
indicate the action that is proposed

02:58:26.560 --> 02:58:28.536
that is to withdraw allow the motion to

02:58:28.560 --> 02:58:31.016
be withdrawn and no counsellor present

02:58:31.040 --> 02:58:32.936
indicates opposition to the proposed

02:58:32.960 --> 02:58:35.960
action or decision.

02:58:41.920 --> 02:58:44.295
Okay. So, we do have to continue one way

02:58:44.319 --> 02:58:46.136
or another with the motion. We've put

02:58:46.160 --> 02:58:49.016
the motion um up to be adjourned. That

02:58:49.040 --> 02:58:52.040
motion was lost. Um now, the only option

02:58:52.479 --> 02:58:54.776
we have is to withdraw

02:58:54.800 --> 02:58:57.800
um or defer. We um and obviously debate

02:58:59.680 --> 02:59:02.136
the motion that is on the table. And

02:59:02.160 --> 02:59:05.160
should this motion be lost, we then go

02:59:05.200 --> 02:59:07.096
back to the office's recommendation as

02:59:07.120 --> 02:59:08.696
well, which is that

02:59:08.720 --> 02:59:11.720
or any other motion.

02:59:12.720 --> 02:59:15.720
which could be a deferral.

02:59:36.800 --> 02:59:39.800
I'm waiting for a direction.

02:59:41.120 --> 02:59:43.016
 through you may I seek to defer this

02:59:43.040 --> 02:59:45.415
motion alternate motion

02:59:45.439 --> 02:59:48.439
defer the alternate motion.

02:59:48.960 --> 02:59:50.295
Um

02:59:50.319 --> 02:59:52.455
sorry through to add to that to the

02:59:52.479 --> 02:59:54.616
midmon meeting at the next midmon

02:59:54.640 --> 02:59:57.640
meeting.

03:00:06.399 --> 03:00:09.399
Sorry.

03:00:22.560 --> 03:00:24.936
Okay, councellors, we're kind of going a

03:00:24.960 --> 03:00:27.096
bit around in circles because we we

03:00:27.120 --> 03:00:28.856
can't defer the motion because the

03:00:28.880 --> 03:00:30.776
motion itself is on the table. It's been

03:00:30.800 --> 03:00:33.800
moved and seconded and spoken to. So

03:00:34.800 --> 03:00:35.816
no he can't

03:00:35.840 --> 03:00:38.776
he so you can't um do would you like to

03:00:38.800 --> 03:00:41.800
explain this clause?

03:00:42.640 --> 03:00:44.375
Thank you through through you may

03:00:44.399 --> 03:00:46.616
councellors. So we we currently have a

03:00:46.640 --> 03:00:49.096
motion on the table um as I see at the

03:00:49.120 --> 03:00:52.120
options before you are um to withdraw

03:00:52.399 --> 03:00:54.696
the motion with leave of the meeting. Um

03:00:54.720 --> 03:00:56.936
the mayor has explained how that works.

03:00:56.960 --> 03:00:58.856
There is a procedural motion that is

03:00:58.880 --> 03:01:00.856
available under the under the governance

03:01:00.880 --> 03:01:03.880
rules um which is adjournment of debate

03:01:04.399 --> 03:01:07.399
to a later hour and or date. Um the form

03:01:07.680 --> 03:01:09.335
is that that that this matter be

03:01:09.359 --> 03:01:11.415
adjourned until and you can insert the

03:01:11.439 --> 03:01:14.439
date. Um the there are limitations on

03:01:14.960 --> 03:01:17.176
that procedural motion and it cannot be

03:01:17.200 --> 03:01:20.200
moved by any counsellor who has moved or

03:01:21.279 --> 03:01:23.415
seconded the original motion that is on

03:01:23.439 --> 03:01:25.576
the table. And the original motion that

03:01:25.600 --> 03:01:27.255
we have on the table was moved and

03:01:27.279 --> 03:01:29.736
seconded by councellor Williams and

03:01:29.760 --> 03:01:32.375
councellor Pearce. So neither councellor

03:01:32.399 --> 03:01:34.536
Williams nor councellor Pearce can move

03:01:34.560 --> 03:01:37.560
that particular motion.

03:01:43.760 --> 03:01:46.760
If I remember this correctly Andrew that

03:01:46.960 --> 03:01:49.096
this matter be adjourned until the

03:01:49.120 --> 03:01:51.976
midmon meeting whose date I don't

03:01:52.000 --> 03:01:55.000
recall.

03:01:57.439 --> 03:01:58.295
Yes,

03:01:58.319 --> 03:02:00.056
thank you through through you, mayor.

03:02:00.080 --> 03:02:03.080
Um, yes, it can be moved by any, as I

03:02:03.279 --> 03:02:05.496
said, any councellor who has not moved or

03:02:05.520 --> 03:02:08.056
seconded the original motion or

03:02:08.080 --> 03:02:10.936
otherwise spoken to the original motion.

03:02:10.960 --> 03:02:13.960
Um so as I understand it with the

03:02:14.000 --> 03:02:16.136
suspension of standing orders that was

03:02:16.160 --> 03:02:19.160
moved immediately after the moving of

03:02:19.920 --> 03:02:22.696
the motion um the only person that has

03:02:22.720 --> 03:02:24.696
spoken to this item as I understand it

03:02:24.720 --> 03:02:27.415
is councellor Williams formally during a

03:02:27.439 --> 03:02:29.016
period where standing orders weren't

03:02:29.040 --> 03:02:31.576
suspended and obviously councellor Pearce

03:02:31.600 --> 03:02:33.896
second it so she can't speak either.

03:02:33.920 --> 03:02:36.216
I'll move it.

03:02:36.240 --> 03:02:39.240
Yes you can councellor Lockwood.

03:02:40.720 --> 03:02:41.976
through.

03:02:42.000 --> 03:02:43.255
So

03:02:43.279 --> 03:02:45.415
debate is permitted and it will be voted

03:02:45.439 --> 03:02:45.896
upon.

03:02:45.920 --> 03:02:48.136
So who who can that needs a second to

03:02:48.160 --> 03:02:48.696
it?

03:02:48.720 --> 03:02:51.720
So moved by councellor Lowid, seconded by

03:02:52.240 --> 03:02:53.335
councellor Duncan. Can

03:02:53.359 --> 03:02:55.576
we just get the words on the screen?

03:02:55.600 --> 03:02:57.576
Okay, we Okay, we're going to just slow

03:02:57.600 --> 03:02:59.255
this down because we do need to get the

03:02:59.279 --> 03:03:02.279
words on the screen.

03:03:08.399 --> 03:03:10.375
before.

03:03:10.399 --> 03:03:13.399
Nice.

03:03:20.080 --> 03:03:23.080
Correct.

03:03:51.359 --> 03:03:54.359
Okay. So, the motion is on the screen.

03:03:54.560 --> 03:03:56.216
councellor Lockwood is the mover.

03:03:56.240 --> 03:03:59.096
councellor Duncan is the seconder. We can

03:03:59.120 --> 03:04:01.096
debate this. councellor Lockwood, would

03:04:01.120 --> 03:04:04.120
you like to speak to the motion?

03:04:04.399 --> 03:04:06.536
I think we've argued enough. I'd just

03:04:06.560 --> 03:04:09.560
like to get on and get this item off the

03:04:09.680 --> 03:04:12.136
table, please. So, I would like people

03:04:12.160 --> 03:04:15.160
to support the adjournment, please.

03:04:16.080 --> 03:04:18.375
councellor Duncan.

03:04:18.399 --> 03:04:21.399
Yeah, through you, Madame Mayor. Um the

03:04:21.680 --> 03:04:23.576
the point of this is there was there's

03:04:23.600 --> 03:04:25.576
some changes that we're potentially

03:04:25.600 --> 03:04:27.576
proposing to councellor Williams's

03:04:27.600 --> 03:04:30.216
original motion. Um as I've said on

03:04:30.240 --> 03:04:31.896
multiple occasions, I'm not a fan of

03:04:31.920 --> 03:04:33.736
doing policy on the fly and changing

03:04:33.760 --> 03:04:35.736
things like this. So what we're seeking

03:04:35.760 --> 03:04:38.760
to do is is by councellor Williams

03:04:38.800 --> 03:04:41.176
another two weeks to put those

03:04:41.200 --> 03:04:43.496
modifications that we have discussed

03:04:43.520 --> 03:04:45.816
into the motion to come back to us. So

03:04:45.840 --> 03:04:47.976
we would need very little debate on. So

03:04:48.000 --> 03:04:50.536
that's why I'm fully supportive of

03:04:50.560 --> 03:04:52.375
adjourning this matter. We did exactly

03:04:52.399 --> 03:04:54.455
the same thing when it came to the minor

03:04:54.479 --> 03:04:56.455
grants two weeks ago because we seek

03:04:56.479 --> 03:04:57.736
clarification on it and that was

03:04:57.760 --> 03:05:00.455
unanimously supported to def to defer

03:05:00.479 --> 03:05:02.696
for the two weeks. So I I would hope

03:05:02.720 --> 03:05:04.375
that the f my fellow councellors would

03:05:04.399 --> 03:05:05.896
also support this to give councellor

03:05:05.920 --> 03:05:08.536
Williams that extra two weeks to to firm

03:05:08.560 --> 03:05:11.415
up the motion so it conveys the

03:05:11.439 --> 03:05:12.696
intent of what he had right at the

03:05:12.720 --> 03:05:13.496
start.

03:05:13.520 --> 03:05:16.520
Thank you.

03:05:25.279 --> 03:05:27.816
Um before I call for an another speaker,

03:05:27.840 --> 03:05:30.696
I just would like um Mr. Darling to

03:05:30.720 --> 03:05:32.295
clarify what will happen at the next

03:05:32.319 --> 03:05:35.016
meeting.

03:05:35.040 --> 03:05:36.696
Thank you, Mayor. I just thought it

03:05:36.720 --> 03:05:38.776
might help councellors to clarify exactly

03:05:38.800 --> 03:05:41.415
what will happen at the next meeting. Um

03:05:41.439 --> 03:05:44.439
so at the next meeting this item would

03:05:44.560 --> 03:05:47.560
resume at this point in debate with the

03:05:48.479 --> 03:05:51.335
motion moved with the motion seconded

03:05:51.359 --> 03:05:54.359
with councellor Williams having um spoken

03:05:54.960 --> 03:05:57.496
to the item. So we are adjourning the

03:05:57.520 --> 03:06:00.056
current debate. So there will still be a

03:06:00.080 --> 03:06:02.455
motion on the table when this returns to

03:06:02.479 --> 03:06:04.536
the next council meeting. That's the

03:06:04.560 --> 03:06:06.295
nature of the procedural item in front

03:06:06.319 --> 03:06:09.016
of you. So um I just noted the comments

03:06:09.040 --> 03:06:11.335
about firming up the motion. There is

03:06:11.359 --> 03:06:13.096
already a motion on the table and that

03:06:13.120 --> 03:06:14.936
will need to be dealt with at the next

03:06:14.960 --> 03:06:16.216
meeting.

03:06:16.240 --> 03:06:19.240
So to be clear that's this motion.

03:06:20.160 --> 03:06:20.375
C

03:06:20.399 --> 03:06:22.455
can I just seek some clarity? So through

03:06:22.479 --> 03:06:24.455
that um being this motion will come back

03:06:24.479 --> 03:06:27.176
to the um council at midmon. I can still

03:06:27.200 --> 03:06:29.415
add an amendment to this motion on top

03:06:29.439 --> 03:06:32.439
of this.

03:06:32.479 --> 03:06:35.016
um through the normal amendment rules.

03:06:35.040 --> 03:06:36.856
Um there are two methods for an

03:06:36.880 --> 03:06:39.880
amendment. Um they can be moved um they

03:06:40.160 --> 03:06:43.160
can be agreed by the mover and seconder

03:06:43.520 --> 03:06:45.816
um or they could be moved formally but

03:06:45.840 --> 03:06:48.295
they can't be moved formally by the

03:06:48.319 --> 03:06:50.936
mover or seconder um and then the rules

03:06:50.960 --> 03:06:53.960
around um amendments um um might be

03:06:55.439 --> 03:06:57.335
applied depending on the extent of

03:06:57.359 --> 03:06:59.255
changes to the motion. We need to

03:06:59.279 --> 03:07:00.856
consider that once we know the motion

03:07:00.880 --> 03:07:02.455
that's being proposed.

03:07:02.479 --> 03:07:05.479
Is that clear?

03:07:05.520 --> 03:07:06.936
Um, does that make things clear,

03:07:06.960 --> 03:07:08.455
councils?

03:07:08.479 --> 03:07:11.479
Great. Okay, councellor Atwell.

03:07:11.920 --> 03:07:13.976
Thank you, Mayor. Um, I don't support

03:07:14.000 --> 03:07:15.816
the adjournment and for the reasons that

03:07:15.840 --> 03:07:17.896
we just described. This this is a a

03:07:17.920 --> 03:07:19.576
point in time adjournment and we will

03:07:19.600 --> 03:07:21.816
find ourselves in exactly the same

03:07:21.840 --> 03:07:24.056
position as we are now in a couple of

03:07:24.080 --> 03:07:25.976
weeks at our midmon meeting. And given

03:07:26.000 --> 03:07:27.976
the time that has elapsed um just

03:07:28.000 --> 03:07:30.056
tonight we are 5 minutes away from

03:07:30.080 --> 03:07:32.696
needing to move a motion to extend

03:07:32.720 --> 03:07:34.136
this council meeting which is looking

03:07:34.160 --> 03:07:37.160
increasingly likely we owe it we

03:07:37.520 --> 03:07:39.576
we we should salvage what we can and

03:07:39.600 --> 03:07:41.816
deal with this matter tonight. Um this

03:07:41.840 --> 03:07:43.976
notice of motion was first put to

03:07:44.000 --> 03:07:46.455
council on the 24th of March and it's

03:07:46.479 --> 03:07:47.656
incredible to think what's happened

03:07:47.680 --> 03:07:49.896
between then and now. We've got an

03:07:49.920 --> 03:07:52.375
incredibly detailed officer report that

03:07:52.399 --> 03:07:54.536
puts multiple options. We've got a an

03:07:54.560 --> 03:07:57.560
alternate motion that that substantially

03:07:57.760 --> 03:08:00.760
materially changes the direction. Um

03:08:00.960 --> 03:08:03.896
I've got everything I I I need and

03:08:03.920 --> 03:08:06.536
and to to see and to read to make a

03:08:06.560 --> 03:08:09.560
decision on this tonight. Um there's

03:08:09.840 --> 03:08:11.576
I hope I get a chance to speak to my

03:08:11.600 --> 03:08:13.736
substantive concerns with this um

03:08:13.760 --> 03:08:16.760
because I have a number. Um but I think

03:08:17.200 --> 03:08:20.200
um given the last 30 to 45 minutes um we

03:08:21.279 --> 03:08:23.656
need to deal with this matter tonight

03:08:23.680 --> 03:08:25.656
as is printed and as has been moved and

03:08:25.680 --> 03:08:27.816
seconded um by way of the alternate

03:08:27.840 --> 03:08:29.976
motion.

03:08:30.000 --> 03:08:32.056
Would any other councellor like to speak

03:08:32.080 --> 03:08:33.576
to the motion? Thank you councellor

03:08:33.600 --> 03:08:34.136
Baker.

03:08:34.160 --> 03:08:35.736
Thank you. I won't be supporting the

03:08:35.760 --> 03:08:38.216
adjournment either. as councellor

03:08:38.240 --> 03:08:40.616
Atwell has quite correctly pointed out

03:08:40.640 --> 03:08:42.936
this has been in our agenda since last

03:08:42.960 --> 03:08:45.496
Monday. Um the notice the motion did

03:08:45.520 --> 03:08:48.520
come up in March and

03:08:50.160 --> 03:08:52.616
 I agree that the alternate motion

03:08:52.640 --> 03:08:54.856
that has been raised has sort of moved

03:08:54.880 --> 03:08:57.496
from the original report that has come.

03:08:57.520 --> 03:08:59.896
So I believe we need to be dealing with

03:08:59.920 --> 03:09:02.920
this tonight. Thank you. Thank you.

03:09:03.120 --> 03:09:04.776
Would any other counsellor who hasn't

03:09:04.800 --> 03:09:07.800
spoken like to speak to the motion?

03:09:19.120 --> 03:09:22.120
Um, thank you councellor Kennet.

03:09:23.520 --> 03:09:26.520
Thank you. Um, I don't understand the

03:09:26.720 --> 03:09:28.616
reason for the adjournment. I might have

03:09:28.640 --> 03:09:30.536
missed part of the discussion on the

03:09:30.560 --> 03:09:32.856
other side of the room, but I'm not too

03:09:32.880 --> 03:09:34.455
sure what it is that we're adjourning

03:09:34.479 --> 03:09:37.479
for and what changes we'd be proposing.

03:09:37.520 --> 03:09:39.896
So, I don't know at the moment if I can

03:09:39.920 --> 03:09:41.656
support an ajournment because I don't

03:09:41.680 --> 03:09:44.216
know what it is we're adjourning for.

03:09:44.240 --> 03:09:47.096
Yep. Thank you. We'd have to move back

03:09:47.120 --> 03:09:50.120
into to debate um to to have that

03:09:51.040 --> 03:09:53.415
clarified through a speaker who hasn't

03:09:53.439 --> 03:09:55.576
spoken already

03:09:55.600 --> 03:09:58.600
unless um unless you ask a question um

03:09:58.960 --> 03:10:01.960
once we move back into debate. If if

03:10:02.800 --> 03:10:05.800
this is not supported,

03:10:06.479 --> 03:10:09.479
um we do have to move in 2 minutes an

03:10:10.080 --> 03:10:13.080
extension of meeting time as well. So um

03:10:15.520 --> 03:10:18.375
I'll probably speak to the motion and

03:10:18.399 --> 03:10:20.536
that is that I also don't support an

03:10:20.560 --> 03:10:23.176
ajournment. We're going to come back to

03:10:23.200 --> 03:10:26.200
this point in the debate in in two weeks

03:10:27.520 --> 03:10:29.016
time.

03:10:29.040 --> 03:10:31.896
Um and I really feel that this

03:10:31.920 --> 03:10:34.455
particular issue like I've I've come

03:10:34.479 --> 03:10:36.216
here and I think most councellors come

03:10:36.240 --> 03:10:37.896
here on meeting night to make a

03:10:37.920 --> 03:10:40.920
decision. This is a a report that's been

03:10:42.399 --> 03:10:44.856
worked on for many months. We received

03:10:44.880 --> 03:10:46.936
the alternate motion at I think it was

03:10:46.960 --> 03:10:49.960
5:30 this afternoon. We've had to

03:10:51.040 --> 03:10:53.496
basically digest the alternate motion

03:10:53.520 --> 03:10:55.976
and form a view on the alternate motion.

03:10:56.000 --> 03:10:59.000
Um, and here we are at 10:29

03:11:00.080 --> 03:11:03.080
asking for another adjournment. So,

03:11:03.920 --> 03:11:05.576
I'm not in support of that. I agree we

03:11:05.600 --> 03:11:06.776
should be dealing with this tonight.

03:11:06.800 --> 03:11:08.056
That's what we've come here to do. That

03:11:08.080 --> 03:11:11.080
is our job. Um, and that's where I I

03:11:11.279 --> 03:11:14.279
stand on the matter. Um, so if unless

03:11:14.800 --> 03:11:16.056
there's any other counsellor who would

03:11:16.080 --> 03:11:19.080
like to speak to the adjournment,

03:11:20.160 --> 03:11:23.160
it's not 10:30 just yet.

03:11:25.120 --> 03:11:26.936
Um, I actually have to seek the

03:11:26.960 --> 03:11:28.616
adjournment of I mean the extension of

03:11:28.640 --> 03:11:31.640
the meeting before we hit 10:30. So,

03:11:32.319 --> 03:11:33.576
we're going to put that up on the

03:11:33.600 --> 03:11:36.600
screen. I will move that we extend it um

03:11:36.640 --> 03:11:39.640
to 11:30. Seconded by councellor Baker.

03:11:39.760 --> 03:11:42.760
All those in favor? Motion is carried to

03:11:42.800 --> 03:11:45.800
extend the meeting to 11:30 p.m. Um, are

03:11:46.160 --> 03:11:47.816
there any further speakers who have not

03:11:47.840 --> 03:11:49.496
already spoken in relation to the

03:11:49.520 --> 03:11:52.520
adjournment of the meeting?

03:11:52.800 --> 03:11:54.216
Yeah.

03:11:54.240 --> 03:11:56.295
Okay. I now put the motion.

03:11:56.319 --> 03:11:57.656
May I?

03:11:57.680 --> 03:11:59.576
Oh, I am sorry. You do have your right

03:11:59.600 --> 03:12:01.335
of reply, Council Lockwood.

03:12:01.359 --> 03:12:03.415
The reason we're here, um, councellor

03:12:03.439 --> 03:12:05.736
Williams submitted these alternate last

03:12:05.760 --> 03:12:08.136
middle of last week. Um, it's been with

03:12:08.160 --> 03:12:10.455
the staff all that time. U part of the

03:12:10.479 --> 03:12:11.896
reason is one of the staff members had

03:12:11.920 --> 03:12:14.536
holidays. Um, and we've been waiting,

03:12:14.560 --> 03:12:16.936
waiting, waiting all day, um, to get

03:12:16.960 --> 03:12:19.176
this back. And it's very frustrating.

03:12:19.200 --> 03:12:20.856
when you submit it early, it comes back

03:12:20.880 --> 03:12:23.880
so late. Um, and I I know and you get

03:12:24.479 --> 03:12:26.375
this and there's a lot to process and

03:12:26.399 --> 03:12:28.616
you've got to make a decision on it. I

03:12:28.640 --> 03:12:29.896
don't see how you can make a decision

03:12:29.920 --> 03:12:31.896
when it's come in so late and it's been

03:12:31.920 --> 03:12:33.896
dumped on us like that. That that'll be

03:12:33.920 --> 03:12:36.536
my reasoning call it because that's not

03:12:36.560 --> 03:12:38.455
actually speaking to the motion and I

03:12:38.479 --> 03:12:40.136
firmly disagree because I know the

03:12:40.160 --> 03:12:41.976
timelines and I know the exchanges that

03:12:42.000 --> 03:12:43.656
have been happening in relation to this

03:12:43.680 --> 03:12:46.216
motion. So I'm now going to put the

03:12:46.240 --> 03:12:49.240
motion. All those in favor to adjourn.

03:12:51.120 --> 03:12:51.335
Call

03:12:51.359 --> 03:12:52.375
the division.

03:12:52.399 --> 03:12:55.399
Certainly. All those against.

03:12:55.439 --> 03:12:57.816
Okay. The motion has been lost. I'll put

03:12:57.840 --> 03:13:00.840
that decision aside. I'll now call once

03:13:02.000 --> 03:13:04.936
again all those in favor. councellor

03:13:04.960 --> 03:13:06.936
Pearce, councellor Lockwood, councellor

03:13:06.960 --> 03:13:09.896
Williams, councellor Duncan, all those

03:13:09.920 --> 03:13:12.216
against. councellor Baker, councellor

03:13:12.240 --> 03:13:14.455
Kennet, councellor Atwell, councellor

03:13:14.479 --> 03:13:17.096
Considine, and councellor Cooper. The

03:13:17.120 --> 03:13:19.415
motion has been lost.

03:13:19.439 --> 03:13:22.375
We're now going back to the alternate

03:13:22.399 --> 03:13:25.399
motion 8 item 8.9. councellor Williams

03:13:26.880 --> 03:13:29.576
has spoken to the motion.

03:13:29.600 --> 03:13:31.736
councellor Pearce as second, would you

03:13:31.760 --> 03:13:33.576
like to speak to the motion?

03:13:33.600 --> 03:13:36.600
Yes.

03:13:36.800 --> 03:13:39.096
councellors, we are talking about

03:13:39.120 --> 03:13:41.496
Christmas decorations.

03:13:41.520 --> 03:13:44.295
We are talking about the spirit of

03:13:44.319 --> 03:13:46.136
Christmas.

03:13:46.160 --> 03:13:48.696
Think of that. Think of the fact that

03:13:48.720 --> 03:13:50.455
people are going to be a little bit

03:13:50.479 --> 03:13:52.295
nicer.

03:13:52.319 --> 03:13:53.896
What did your feelings when you walk

03:13:53.920 --> 03:13:56.920
into a room in Australia into our

03:13:57.920 --> 03:13:59.976
council chambers and there's no

03:14:00.000 --> 03:14:01.816
decorations?

03:14:01.840 --> 03:14:03.656
There's nothing.

03:14:03.680 --> 03:14:06.295
We can spend that money on sorry day and

03:14:06.319 --> 03:14:08.215
pride day and Hanukkah and all the other

03:14:08.239 --> 03:14:11.016
things we do but we can't spend it on

03:14:11.040 --> 03:14:13.976
Christmas one of the most important

03:14:14.000 --> 03:14:17.000
holidays in our calendar.

03:14:18.080 --> 03:14:21.080
Kids line up waiting for Christmas.

03:14:21.680 --> 03:14:23.896
Parents enjoy Christmas cuz they get to

03:14:23.920 --> 03:14:26.920
see relatives from elsewhere. All we are

03:14:27.760 --> 03:14:30.760
talking about is some bows and a window

03:14:30.960 --> 03:14:33.960
display. We're not talking about a lot.

03:14:34.239 --> 03:14:36.455
The amendments are only in relation to

03:14:36.479 --> 03:14:38.215
councellor Duncan wanting to cap the

03:14:38.239 --> 03:14:41.239
amount. That's what the amendment is.

03:14:42.080 --> 03:14:44.776
Nothing major. I've seen deferral after

03:14:44.800 --> 03:14:47.335
deferral in this room and I'm really

03:14:47.359 --> 03:14:49.816
disappointed that when we ask for a

03:14:49.840 --> 03:14:52.536
deferral on a valid reason,

03:14:52.560 --> 03:14:55.335
nobody will support it.

03:14:55.359 --> 03:14:57.335
That's my thing.

03:14:57.359 --> 03:14:59.176
Can I raise a point of order here?

03:14:59.200 --> 03:15:01.016
There's a stat there's a part of the

03:15:01.040 --> 03:15:03.335
rules is that we not show disapproval

03:15:03.359 --> 03:15:05.656
through body language and expression and

03:15:05.680 --> 03:15:07.736
councellor just did that by shaking his

03:15:07.760 --> 03:15:08.056
head.

03:15:08.080 --> 03:15:10.776
I I would caution all councellors in in

03:15:10.800 --> 03:15:13.656
not um exhibiting that behavior. Thank

03:15:13.680 --> 03:15:15.176
you for pointing that out councellor

03:15:15.200 --> 03:15:17.335
Lockwood.

03:15:17.359 --> 03:15:19.335
Would any other council like to speak to

03:15:19.359 --> 03:15:21.736
the motion? Thank you councellor Atwell.

03:15:21.760 --> 03:15:22.856
 thank you mayor. I don't know where

03:15:22.880 --> 03:15:24.295
to begin. I was shaking my head because

03:15:24.319 --> 03:15:26.375
we didn't vote down or not support a

03:15:26.399 --> 03:15:28.136
deferral. we voted down an adjournment

03:15:28.160 --> 03:15:30.375
and they're two very two very different

03:15:30.399 --> 03:15:33.399
things. Um, and I would first I would

03:15:33.439 --> 03:15:36.439
first challenge the the the false

03:15:37.279 --> 03:15:39.176
what I believe to be a false comparison

03:15:39.200 --> 03:15:40.936
between the proposal that's before us

03:15:40.960 --> 03:15:43.960
tonight and funding initiatives such

03:15:45.040 --> 03:15:48.040
as pride and sorry day n week. I'm

03:15:48.560 --> 03:15:50.696
not sure which were which were thrown

03:15:50.720 --> 03:15:52.455
around then but I I think that's a false

03:15:52.479 --> 03:15:54.295
equivalence. What we're contemplating

03:15:54.319 --> 03:15:56.696
here is something quite separate to

03:15:56.720 --> 03:15:59.720
the program of council's event. Um and I

03:16:00.560 --> 03:16:01.976
feel like I'm living in an alternate

03:16:02.000 --> 03:16:03.976
reality, one in which Christmas was

03:16:04.000 --> 03:16:06.375
canceled in Knox last year. we had a

03:16:06.399 --> 03:16:07.896
wonderful Christmas. I felt nothing when

03:16:07.920 --> 03:16:09.816
I walked into this civic center and

03:16:09.840 --> 03:16:11.576
didn't see it wildly decorated

03:16:11.600 --> 03:16:14.056
because I had to I had to avail

03:16:14.080 --> 03:16:15.816
myself of my photo gallery to remind

03:16:15.840 --> 03:16:17.335
myself that Christmas did in fact happen

03:16:17.359 --> 03:16:19.096
in Knox last year and it was a wonderful

03:16:19.120 --> 03:16:22.120
Christmas and we attended Christmas

03:16:22.880 --> 03:16:24.856
carols at primary schools. We drove and

03:16:24.880 --> 03:16:27.656
saw incredible Christmas displays in

03:16:27.680 --> 03:16:29.496
Timbertop Estate off the top of my head

03:16:29.520 --> 03:16:32.056
and our residents and community do a

03:16:32.080 --> 03:16:35.016
wonderful job of celebrating and

03:16:35.040 --> 03:16:38.040
profiling Christmas. the advent of

03:16:38.399 --> 03:16:40.616
Christmas and it's and its position in

03:16:40.640 --> 03:16:42.776
our calendar is not in question. what

03:16:42.800 --> 03:16:44.856
this notice of motion or the alternate

03:16:44.880 --> 03:16:47.880
is now calling for is not $50,000

03:16:48.000 --> 03:16:50.616
 to put towards Christmas decorations

03:16:50.640 --> 03:16:53.640
 but $15,000. And I wish for all the

03:16:53.680 --> 03:16:56.536
community spirit um that that festive

03:16:56.560 --> 03:16:58.856
cheer would buy us a money printing

03:16:58.880 --> 03:17:01.880
machine to fund new and different

03:17:02.160 --> 03:17:03.576
items. And whether it's Christmas

03:17:03.600 --> 03:17:05.415
decorations, it could be one of

03:17:05.439 --> 03:17:07.176
several things. And it's I cannot

03:17:07.200 --> 03:17:08.536
believe that to this point in the

03:17:08.560 --> 03:17:11.560
debate, no one no one has we haven't

03:17:11.680 --> 03:17:14.680
arrived at the the contradiction that

03:17:15.600 --> 03:17:17.496
is that this time that this day last

03:17:17.520 --> 03:17:19.656
month we sat in this chamber and

03:17:19.680 --> 03:17:22.375
passed our annual budget. Um and we

03:17:22.399 --> 03:17:23.736
talked about how constrained the

03:17:23.760 --> 03:17:25.816
financial environment was. We talked

03:17:25.840 --> 03:17:27.496
about the cumulative effects of 10 years

03:17:27.520 --> 03:17:30.056
of rate capping and that financial

03:17:30.080 --> 03:17:31.576
sustainability would have to be a key

03:17:31.600 --> 03:17:34.536
focus within a rate capped

03:17:34.560 --> 03:17:36.215
environment and we haven't talked about

03:17:36.239 --> 03:17:39.176
that. this is a month later that

03:17:39.200 --> 03:17:40.856
last month there was discussion that

03:17:40.880 --> 03:17:43.496
we're on a financial knife's edge. Um

03:17:43.520 --> 03:17:45.896
that was only last month. This month

03:17:45.920 --> 03:17:47.415
four weeks later we were asking for

03:17:47.439 --> 03:17:49.976
$50,000. Um, I think it's it's good that

03:17:50.000 --> 03:17:53.000
that that that ask has been wound

03:17:53.120 --> 03:17:56.120
back to to $15,000., a month after we

03:17:56.560 --> 03:17:58.936
borrowed millions more,, we have, and

03:17:58.960 --> 03:18:00.455
someone will correct me if I'm wrong,

03:18:00.479 --> 03:18:01.976
, borrowings and liabilities in the

03:18:02.000 --> 03:18:04.455
order of 70 to 80 million., our

03:18:04.479 --> 03:18:06.696
financial caution matters, whether it's

03:18:06.720 --> 03:18:09.496
$15,000 or $50,000.

03:18:09.520 --> 03:18:11.736
 that discretionary unplanned spending

03:18:11.760 --> 03:18:14.760
adds pressure and it puts us into a

03:18:14.880 --> 03:18:16.776
position heading into our next budget

03:18:16.800 --> 03:18:19.576
cycle that I don't think is wise. Um

03:18:19.600 --> 03:18:22.215
and this is this is apparently a one-off

03:18:22.239 --> 03:18:25.239
spend. Um but what do we do next year?

03:18:25.840 --> 03:18:27.656
Um, we talk about this sort of rolling

03:18:27.680 --> 03:18:30.680
into future conversations, but um, in my

03:18:31.120 --> 03:18:33.816
in my mind, this is not a, this this

03:18:33.840 --> 03:18:36.056
spending, you know, will become part of

03:18:36.080 --> 03:18:38.856
of a recurring, budget item, and it's

03:18:38.880 --> 03:18:41.016
not one that I'm I'm happy to to kick

03:18:41.040 --> 03:18:42.295
off tonight. Um,

03:18:42.319 --> 03:18:44.136
councellor, you're at time. Would you

03:18:44.160 --> 03:18:45.976
like to seek an extension of time?

03:18:46.000 --> 03:18:46.936
I would. Thank you, ma'am.

03:18:46.960 --> 03:18:48.616
I'll second that from the chair. All

03:18:48.640 --> 03:18:51.640
those in favor?

03:18:52.000 --> 03:18:54.295
Council, you need to vote.

03:18:54.319 --> 03:18:56.215
, thank you. and and

03:18:56.239 --> 03:18:58.136
No, sorry. You need you need to vote.

03:18:58.160 --> 03:18:59.896
So, I'm just saying all those in favor

03:18:59.920 --> 03:19:02.215
of an extension of time,

03:19:02.239 --> 03:19:03.816
I'll call a division. Yeah.

03:19:03.840 --> 03:19:06.840
Yep. Okay. So, the motion was carried.

03:19:08.399 --> 03:19:11.399
Um I'll set that motion aside and we

03:19:11.680 --> 03:19:14.295
will now call a division on an

03:19:14.319 --> 03:19:16.776
extension of time. All those in favor,

03:19:16.800 --> 03:19:18.856
councellor Baker, councellor Kennet,

03:19:18.880 --> 03:19:20.936
councellor Atwell, councellor Considine,

03:19:20.960 --> 03:19:23.656
councellor Cooper, councellor Duncan. All

03:19:23.680 --> 03:19:25.976
those against. councellor Williams,

03:19:26.000 --> 03:19:28.295
councellor Lockwood, councellor Pearce.

03:19:28.319 --> 03:19:31.016
The motion is carried. Um, do we have an

03:19:31.040 --> 03:19:33.016
extra two minutes? Yeah. Now have an

03:19:33.040 --> 03:19:35.656
extra two minutes.

03:19:35.680 --> 03:19:37.176
Thank you, Mayor. And a division in the

03:19:37.200 --> 03:19:39.656
interest of of democracy. Um, I haven't

03:19:39.680 --> 03:19:41.335
had a chance to speak to the alternate

03:19:41.359 --> 03:19:42.936
motion that I received this afternoon.

03:19:42.960 --> 03:19:45.960
And it's interesting that um yeah, I

03:19:46.319 --> 03:19:47.816
appreciate my councilor's support in

03:19:47.840 --> 03:19:49.976
letting me finish what I have to say.

03:19:50.000 --> 03:19:52.056
Um

03:19:52.080 --> 03:19:54.776
 yeah and on the detail itself I mean

03:19:54.800 --> 03:19:57.800
 option three which focuses on the

03:19:58.399 --> 03:20:00.455
activity centers for me creates a bit

03:20:00.479 --> 03:20:02.856
of a problem that Roville is

03:20:02.880 --> 03:20:05.736
included but Scoresby village is not and

03:20:05.760 --> 03:20:08.136
 I'm not sure that for the money we

03:20:08.160 --> 03:20:10.455
are spending that we will I think the

03:20:10.479 --> 03:20:13.176
cost very very well may outweigh the

03:20:13.200 --> 03:20:15.335
impact and I know what will happen

03:20:15.359 --> 03:20:17.016
come Christmas is that the traders at

03:20:17.040 --> 03:20:19.096
Scoresby Village will be saying what

03:20:19.120 --> 03:20:22.120
about Um, and, I I I think putting

03:20:22.319 --> 03:20:25.255
aside the money, for a moment, um, I

03:20:25.279 --> 03:20:27.016
think this is a a peacemeal approach,

03:20:27.040 --> 03:20:29.016
I'd rather do what the alternate motion

03:20:29.040 --> 03:20:31.816
starts to hint at, which is, um, bring

03:20:31.840 --> 03:20:34.536
this into our next budget cycle, bring

03:20:34.560 --> 03:20:36.455
this into some planning discussion and

03:20:36.479 --> 03:20:39.255
consider consider a sustainable way to

03:20:39.279 --> 03:20:41.496
do this. That's part of our next budget

03:20:41.520 --> 03:20:43.896
process. I mean, I love Christmas as

03:20:43.920 --> 03:20:45.816
much as the next person. this is not the

03:20:45.840 --> 03:20:48.536
right way to reinvigorate um our

03:20:48.560 --> 03:20:50.776
Christmas program in Knox if that's the

03:20:50.800 --> 03:20:53.096
 direction of this council. So and

03:20:53.120 --> 03:20:54.616
there there are several other options

03:20:54.640 --> 03:20:56.696
too. I mean um I also would question

03:20:56.720 --> 03:20:57.976
whether this needs to be council

03:20:58.000 --> 03:21:00.056
initiated. There's probably some

03:21:00.080 --> 03:21:01.496
precedent around the place for this to

03:21:01.520 --> 03:21:03.415
be communityled where we could provide

03:21:03.439 --> 03:21:05.335
in kind assistance or some match grants

03:21:05.359 --> 03:21:07.976
to local businesses to you know

03:21:08.000 --> 03:21:10.375
foster Christmas spirit right across no.

03:21:10.399 --> 03:21:13.399
So, um,, I'm glad we're dealing with

03:21:14.000 --> 03:21:15.335
this tonight in the interest of the

03:21:15.359 --> 03:21:17.096
people that have hung on to watch us,

03:21:17.120 --> 03:21:18.856
, get through this item. So, um,

03:21:18.880 --> 03:21:20.455
hopefully we can resolve it one way or

03:21:20.479 --> 03:21:21.576
the other. Thank you, Mayor.

03:21:21.600 --> 03:21:24.056
Thank you, councellor Atwell.

03:21:24.080 --> 03:21:26.056
Would any other counsellor who has not

03:21:26.080 --> 03:21:27.736
already spoken like to speak to the

03:21:27.760 --> 03:21:30.536
motion?

03:21:30.560 --> 03:21:33.096
councellor Lockwood.

03:21:33.120 --> 03:21:36.120
Um I just puzzled at the extension of

03:21:36.880 --> 03:21:38.056
time that I voted against the end

03:21:38.080 --> 03:21:39.496
because councellor Hatmore was

03:21:39.520 --> 03:21:41.576
complaining about shortage of time 20

03:21:41.600 --> 03:21:43.415
minutes ago that we should be over and

03:21:43.439 --> 03:21:44.936
out of here now. He wants an extension

03:21:44.960 --> 03:21:47.096
of time. So I just thought as a bit of a

03:21:47.120 --> 03:21:48.936
nonsequitator.

03:21:48.960 --> 03:21:49.335
So

03:21:49.359 --> 03:21:50.776
can you please speak to the motion

03:21:50.800 --> 03:21:51.816
council Low?

03:21:51.840 --> 03:21:54.840
Yes. Thank you. Thank you mayor. Um I

03:21:55.200 --> 03:21:56.856
point out that I couldn't agree more

03:21:56.880 --> 03:21:59.880
about this should be communityled. Um my

03:22:00.239 --> 03:22:03.096
my um my preference would be we allow

03:22:03.120 --> 03:22:04.696
put a bit more into the grant scheme and

03:22:04.720 --> 03:22:06.295
allow people to apply for grants to get

03:22:06.319 --> 03:22:08.776
bows and take it up for them. I think

03:22:08.800 --> 03:22:10.856
doing it council procurement is an

03:22:10.880 --> 03:22:13.880
expensive way to do it. Um um although

03:22:14.319 --> 03:22:16.136
when I suggested that we people we could

03:22:16.160 --> 03:22:18.696
help them do that council officers push

03:22:18.720 --> 03:22:20.696
back. There's been a lot of push back

03:22:20.720 --> 03:22:22.136
the council officers and some of the

03:22:22.160 --> 03:22:24.696
things that were suggested. Um most were

03:22:24.720 --> 03:22:27.176
suggested along the lines you just said.

03:22:27.200 --> 03:22:30.200
So yeah, we'd love to have done that. Um

03:22:30.239 --> 03:22:33.016
but been frustrated. Now the other thing

03:22:33.040 --> 03:22:35.255
I think we should do is come up with

03:22:35.279 --> 03:22:38.279
something for the budget cycle. Um and

03:22:38.720 --> 03:22:41.335
part of that's in here. Um maybe we'll

03:22:41.359 --> 03:22:44.136
resurrect that bit next month to add

03:22:44.160 --> 03:22:46.056
something to the budget cycle for

03:22:46.080 --> 03:22:48.455
Christmas. I would like it personally to

03:22:48.479 --> 03:22:50.616
be community-led. I would like to get

03:22:50.640 --> 03:22:52.936
all the clubs together and relevant

03:22:52.960 --> 03:22:55.576
groups and ask them what they could do

03:22:55.600 --> 03:22:58.600
and offer minor grants. Um I give

03:23:00.640 --> 03:23:03.640
allocate a patch to each group. Okay. Um

03:23:04.080 --> 03:23:06.056
Roal Rotary you look after Roville

03:23:06.080 --> 03:23:08.056
Bronia look after Bronia. We have

03:23:08.080 --> 03:23:10.295
standard of course set standards. There

03:23:10.319 --> 03:23:12.136
are there are permits to worry about and

03:23:12.160 --> 03:23:13.415
lots of other things. There are things

03:23:13.439 --> 03:23:16.056
to to be done but I would certainly

03:23:16.080 --> 03:23:19.080
prefer that kind of approach. Um I was

03:23:21.520 --> 03:23:23.496
councellor Williams led when his

03:23:23.520 --> 03:23:25.255
discussion about businesses which is why

03:23:25.279 --> 03:23:28.056
it went to ecode and not community

03:23:28.080 --> 03:23:30.936
development um connected communities

03:23:30.960 --> 03:23:33.960
I'll get the name right. So it um

03:23:36.160 --> 03:23:38.856
yeah so that's it's ended up with this

03:23:38.880 --> 03:23:41.096
 with this hodgepodge I think um of

03:23:41.120 --> 03:23:44.056
where we're at. But I feel like the

03:23:44.080 --> 03:23:46.215
whole thing is in a

03:23:46.239 --> 03:23:47.736
thrown up in the air and hasn't landed

03:23:47.760 --> 03:23:49.736
yet and I'm not sure I want to support

03:23:49.760 --> 03:23:52.760
it anymore anyway. But um I will still

03:23:53.439 --> 03:23:56.136
support it at um I think we need to do

03:23:56.160 --> 03:23:57.656
something at Christmas. I would love it

03:23:57.680 --> 03:24:00.680
to be community-led and we can help with

03:24:00.720 --> 03:24:03.415
funding but I don't want personally

03:24:03.439 --> 03:24:05.656
don't think council should lead it. We

03:24:05.680 --> 03:24:08.536
can provide the guidance but not

03:24:08.560 --> 03:24:10.375
further. That that would be my personal

03:24:10.399 --> 03:24:11.736
preference.

03:24:11.760 --> 03:24:13.496
um tried to inject some of that into the

03:24:13.520 --> 03:24:16.215
motion but it was not accepted.

03:24:16.239 --> 03:24:19.096
So I'll leave you with that.

03:24:19.120 --> 03:24:21.816
Thank you councellor Lockwood.

03:24:21.840 --> 03:24:23.496
Would any other counsellor like to speak

03:24:23.520 --> 03:24:26.136
to the motion? councellor Ba.

03:24:26.160 --> 03:24:28.536
Thank you Mayor Cooper.

03:24:28.560 --> 03:24:31.176
Okay. Um

03:24:31.200 --> 03:24:33.576
a few issues

03:24:33.600 --> 03:24:36.375
June budget quite agree. We talk about a

03:24:36.399 --> 03:24:39.399
knife's edge. we this never came up

03:24:39.680 --> 03:24:41.255
in our June meeting. This was never

03:24:41.279 --> 03:24:44.279
discussed about 15 or $50,000. It's not

03:24:44.720 --> 03:24:47.255
budgeted for and my question is what

03:24:47.279 --> 03:24:49.016
will be sacrificed if this was to be

03:24:49.040 --> 03:24:50.856
supported. I'm not comfortable with

03:24:50.880 --> 03:24:53.736
potentially even if it's 1550 whatever

03:24:53.760 --> 03:24:56.375
to take something take money from

03:24:56.399 --> 03:24:58.455
another service that we've already had a

03:24:58.479 --> 03:25:01.479
council resolution for.

03:25:02.479 --> 03:25:05.016
I am also of the belief that there was

03:25:05.040 --> 03:25:07.176
other options such as grants that we

03:25:07.200 --> 03:25:08.696
could consider that could support

03:25:08.720 --> 03:25:10.856
businesses to apply for things like

03:25:10.880 --> 03:25:13.096
Christmas decorations. This was not

03:25:13.120 --> 03:25:15.255
considered either there. It lacks

03:25:15.279 --> 03:25:18.279
community consultation.

03:25:18.399 --> 03:25:20.375
I'd like to call that out of order that

03:25:20.399 --> 03:25:22.536
has been discussed and therefore if you

03:25:22.560 --> 03:25:24.136
can present factual information that

03:25:24.160 --> 03:25:25.096
would be much appreciated.

03:25:25.120 --> 03:25:27.255
It's in community consultation with our

03:25:27.279 --> 03:25:29.096
whole community not just a select like

03:25:29.120 --> 03:25:30.136
you've got here.

03:25:30.160 --> 03:25:33.160
Sorry. Yep. So, um, councellor Williams

03:25:34.080 --> 03:25:35.415
has called the point of order, which I

03:25:35.439 --> 03:25:37.736
need to rule on. Can you So, you're

03:25:37.760 --> 03:25:39.816
specifically saying that community

03:25:39.840 --> 03:25:42.840
consultation was part of the process. I

03:25:43.279 --> 03:25:45.096
just need clarity on what what it is

03:25:45.120 --> 03:25:46.295
you're opposing.

03:25:46.319 --> 03:25:49.096
Yeah. No, I I seek that um it was part

03:25:49.120 --> 03:25:51.415
of my um discussions with the officers,

03:25:51.439 --> 03:25:54.215
council officers, in regards to that.

03:25:54.239 --> 03:25:55.976
They have spoken to two groups at this

03:25:56.000 --> 03:25:58.536
stage as part of the consultation to

03:25:58.560 --> 03:26:00.776
initiate it. But you'll also note as

03:26:00.800 --> 03:26:03.335
part of my points here um you know point

03:26:03.359 --> 03:26:06.359
6 D u was a process to support

03:26:06.800 --> 03:26:08.776
community groups to assist in the

03:26:08.800 --> 03:26:10.856
installation or removal of red bows

03:26:10.880 --> 03:26:12.696
and I have since made discussion.

03:26:12.720 --> 03:26:15.335
Sorry. So when we're talking about valid

03:26:15.359 --> 03:26:18.359
points of order um I I'm looking for

03:26:19.040 --> 03:26:21.016
which point of order you're specifically

03:26:21.040 --> 03:26:23.896
calling upon first.

03:26:23.920 --> 03:26:25.656
 well it's it's really just factual

03:26:25.680 --> 03:26:28.680
information. met. Um I I I would like to

03:26:29.120 --> 03:26:30.375
so

03:26:30.399 --> 03:26:33.335
um I believe the um information

03:26:33.359 --> 03:26:36.359
 in that terms

03:26:36.399 --> 03:26:37.976
 has well

03:26:38.000 --> 03:26:39.976
Okay, I I'll read out some options.

03:26:40.000 --> 03:26:41.896
This is quite vague and it's definitely

03:26:41.920 --> 03:26:42.295
um

03:26:42.319 --> 03:26:44.375
how about I have you found the page?

03:26:44.399 --> 03:26:44.936
Yes.

03:26:44.960 --> 03:26:47.255
Okay. So, under valid points of order,

03:26:47.279 --> 03:26:49.576
which one are you referring to?

03:26:49.600 --> 03:26:51.496
 you're referring to page two.

03:26:51.520 --> 03:26:53.656
I have a different book to you, but you

03:26:53.680 --> 03:26:55.096
can tell you can read it out.

03:26:55.120 --> 03:26:58.120
Yep. Sorry. Um

03:27:04.399 --> 03:27:06.295
there's probably two two points that I'm

03:27:06.319 --> 03:27:08.056
calling the point of um order on this

03:27:08.080 --> 03:27:10.455
one. Um 54.3.

03:27:10.479 --> 03:27:12.295
Um

03:27:12.319 --> 03:27:14.856
you know, councellor Baker is essentially

03:27:14.880 --> 03:27:16.455
saying that I haven't done my homework

03:27:16.479 --> 03:27:17.976
and I feel that I have. So it's quite

03:27:18.000 --> 03:27:21.000
 No, she didn't say that. Um I I think

03:27:21.680 --> 03:27:24.215
I think what councellor Baker has said

03:27:24.239 --> 03:27:27.239
and what you're um objecting to is

03:27:27.680 --> 03:27:29.896
effectively a difference of opinion or a

03:27:29.920 --> 03:27:32.920
contradiction of opinion

03:27:33.439 --> 03:27:36.439
um which isn't a point of order. She

03:27:36.560 --> 03:27:39.335
hasn't said anything specifically about

03:27:39.359 --> 03:27:42.359
you which could be deemed as defamatory.

03:27:46.160 --> 03:27:47.736
Is there another point? You said there

03:27:47.760 --> 03:27:50.455
were two which was the second point of

03:27:50.479 --> 03:27:53.479
order

03:27:54.479 --> 03:27:55.576
 through your m I'm just going to

03:27:55.600 --> 03:27:57.576
withdraw that. Um it appears it's

03:27:57.600 --> 03:27:58.776
probably one way viewed on this one so

03:27:58.800 --> 03:28:00.056
I'm going to withdraw that for now.

03:28:00.080 --> 03:28:02.776
Okay. Thank you councellor Baker. we

03:28:02.800 --> 03:28:05.800
did stop the clock. so you are free

03:28:06.239 --> 03:28:08.536
to continue. Um, as I was going to to

03:28:08.560 --> 03:28:11.560
mention, when we spend W pays money,

03:28:11.920 --> 03:28:14.856
yes, she may have spoken to groups, but

03:28:14.880 --> 03:28:17.415
community consultation to me is that we

03:28:17.439 --> 03:28:19.816
go out and we do a greater community

03:28:19.840 --> 03:28:22.536
consultation, not to a select group, not

03:28:22.560 --> 03:28:25.560
to going to one advisory committee. We

03:28:25.600 --> 03:28:28.600
have multiple advisory committees. I

03:28:28.640 --> 03:28:30.215
would hate to restrict it. We are a

03:28:30.239 --> 03:28:33.239
community of 161,000 people and I would

03:28:33.760 --> 03:28:35.176
like to hear what their views are and

03:28:35.200 --> 03:28:37.896
give them the option. Hence my comment.

03:28:37.920 --> 03:28:39.896
Um

03:28:39.920 --> 03:28:42.056
I am still not clear on what the issues

03:28:42.080 --> 03:28:45.016
were earlier. Um to support the

03:28:45.040 --> 03:28:48.040
deferral. Um so that does not sit well

03:28:48.479 --> 03:28:51.479
with me. Um

03:28:51.600 --> 03:28:53.335
in order to make a decision I need to

03:28:53.359 --> 03:28:55.656
understand what the issues were and I

03:28:55.680 --> 03:28:58.215
don't have that information. I am very

03:28:58.239 --> 03:28:59.656
happy to consider this in the next

03:28:59.680 --> 03:29:02.215
budget cycle for consideration, but I am

03:29:02.239 --> 03:29:05.239
not happy to support money that has not

03:29:05.279 --> 03:29:07.255
been budgeted for in this cycle. Whether

03:29:07.279 --> 03:29:10.279
it's 15,000 or 50,000, it it doesn't sit

03:29:10.800 --> 03:29:12.295
right with me. I think we need to be

03:29:12.319 --> 03:29:13.976
accountable and justifying what we are

03:29:14.000 --> 03:29:16.776
spending in our community. And that has

03:29:16.800 --> 03:29:19.800
not sat well with me either.,

03:29:21.200 --> 03:29:24.200
and

03:29:24.800 --> 03:29:26.295
I think I might leave it at that, but I

03:29:26.319 --> 03:29:27.736
will not be supporting the alternate.

03:29:27.760 --> 03:29:28.936
Thank you.

03:29:28.960 --> 03:29:31.255
Thank you, councellor Baker. Would

03:29:31.279 --> 03:29:32.856
another counsellor like to speak to the

03:29:32.880 --> 03:29:35.096
motion?

03:29:35.120 --> 03:29:37.335
Thank you, councellor Duncan.

03:29:37.359 --> 03:29:39.736
, thank you, Mayor. Um, at first, if I

03:29:39.760 --> 03:29:41.335
could just answer councellor Baker's

03:29:41.359 --> 03:29:43.176
question about what was unclear about

03:29:43.200 --> 03:29:45.016
why we were looking to defer it. It's

03:29:45.040 --> 03:29:47.176
the alternate motion is too open-ended

03:29:47.200 --> 03:29:49.656
in my eyes. Um where we said estimated

03:29:49.680 --> 03:29:51.976
cost of 15, we didn't send a cap on it.

03:29:52.000 --> 03:29:54.136
And I also wasn't happy about it only

03:29:54.160 --> 03:29:57.160
being to the medium centers. So um I

03:29:57.439 --> 03:29:59.496
will not be supporting this alternate.

03:29:59.520 --> 03:30:02.520
Um and that's based on the black and

03:30:02.640 --> 03:30:05.176
white nature of the governance rules of

03:30:05.200 --> 03:30:06.776
the what the actual motion is and what

03:30:06.800 --> 03:30:08.936
we are actually voting on. And because

03:30:08.960 --> 03:30:11.335
of that open-endedness, which we did

03:30:11.359 --> 03:30:13.896
attempt to try and rectify, um, which

03:30:13.920 --> 03:30:16.136
have been unsuccessful in doing, um, I

03:30:16.160 --> 03:30:17.816
apologize to councellor Williams. I

03:30:17.840 --> 03:30:19.415
understand the sentiment of what we're

03:30:19.439 --> 03:30:21.255
trying to achieve, what we're trying to

03:30:21.279 --> 03:30:23.736
put out to the community here, but given

03:30:23.760 --> 03:30:25.736
given the loose nature of this and the

03:30:25.760 --> 03:30:27.576
fact that we did get it quite late, so

03:30:27.600 --> 03:30:29.415
haven't had to be able to ask other

03:30:29.439 --> 03:30:31.096
questions, understand your reasonings

03:30:31.120 --> 03:30:32.936
behind that, etc., I'm unable to support

03:30:32.960 --> 03:30:34.375
this cuz I don't think it's in the best

03:30:34.399 --> 03:30:36.936
interest of spending rate payers money

03:30:36.960 --> 03:30:38.856
on this at this stage for all the points

03:30:38.880 --> 03:30:40.696
that councellor Atwell has raised with

03:30:40.720 --> 03:30:42.375
our budget and so forth and this is way

03:30:42.399 --> 03:30:44.776
too open-ended for me. So I apologize

03:30:44.800 --> 03:30:46.136
councellor Williams but I won't be able

03:30:46.160 --> 03:30:47.656
to support this motion as it stands

03:30:47.680 --> 03:30:49.096
right now this evening.

03:30:49.120 --> 03:30:51.096
Thank you councellor Duncan. Would any

03:30:51.120 --> 03:30:52.776
other counsellor like to speak to the

03:30:52.800 --> 03:30:55.800
motion? Yes, councellor Considine.

03:30:57.120 --> 03:31:00.120
Thank you to you madame med. Um

03:31:01.120 --> 03:31:03.016
currently this is not included in the

03:31:03.040 --> 03:31:05.576
budget and councellors haven't had enough

03:31:05.600 --> 03:31:08.536
time for discussion properly. On the

03:31:08.560 --> 03:31:10.696
other hand, this money could be used for

03:31:10.720 --> 03:31:12.776
other things that might benefit the

03:31:12.800 --> 03:31:15.800
community more urgently. I believe that

03:31:15.920 --> 03:31:18.920
at this moment it might be more

03:31:18.960 --> 03:31:21.736
appropriate to spend the money on people

03:31:21.760 --> 03:31:24.760
who need help the most and or essential

03:31:25.520 --> 03:31:28.520
services. given this considerations I

03:31:29.520 --> 03:31:32.455
at the moment I'm unable to support this

03:31:32.479 --> 03:31:33.976
right. Thank you so much.

03:31:34.000 --> 03:31:36.936
Thank you councellor Conine.

03:31:36.960 --> 03:31:39.960
Yep. councellor Kennet.

03:31:40.800 --> 03:31:43.415
Thank you through you madame mayor. Um,

03:31:43.439 --> 03:31:46.439
I did have a question. The proposed

03:31:46.960 --> 03:31:49.960
Christmas decorations, the the red bows,

03:31:50.239 --> 03:31:53.239
um, would they be reusable?

03:31:53.520 --> 03:31:56.520
I believe they are. They they because in

03:31:56.640 --> 03:31:59.640
the Yes. Okay. Oh,

03:32:01.120 --> 03:32:02.616
I'll direct that question to Director

03:32:02.640 --> 03:32:03.415
Callaher.

03:32:03.439 --> 03:32:04.856
Through you, Madam Mayor. I know you've

03:32:04.880 --> 03:32:06.295
heard many answers to this question,

03:32:06.319 --> 03:32:08.295
councellor Kenneth. Um, but yes, they are

03:32:08.319 --> 03:32:09.816
for a number of years. So, it depends on

03:32:09.840 --> 03:32:12.136
the quality of bows you buy. It also

03:32:12.160 --> 03:32:13.656
depends obviously on the elements, the

03:32:13.680 --> 03:32:16.680
way they're fitted, um vandalism, um

03:32:16.720 --> 03:32:18.696
damage. So, it's not a standard they

03:32:18.720 --> 03:32:20.936
will last x amount of years. It depends

03:32:20.960 --> 03:32:22.776
on a range of environmental and and

03:32:22.800 --> 03:32:24.936
other factors, but yes, they are

03:32:24.960 --> 03:32:27.960
reusable.

03:32:29.359 --> 03:32:32.359
Thank you very much. Um

03:32:33.359 --> 03:32:36.136
I

03:32:36.160 --> 03:32:39.160
am a bit torn. I read an ABC report from

03:32:40.560 --> 03:32:43.415
December 23 that reported that Victorian

03:32:43.439 --> 03:32:46.439
Council spent around six $7.5 million

03:32:47.840 --> 03:32:50.616
on Christmas and Knox is listed in there

03:32:50.640 --> 03:32:53.640
as spending 180,000 and I would assume

03:32:53.840 --> 03:32:55.335
that that's related to our Christmas

03:32:55.359 --> 03:32:58.359
carols um maybe not so much Christmas

03:32:59.279 --> 03:33:01.656
decorations and while we're all aware of

03:33:01.680 --> 03:33:04.375
our financial position at Knox and

03:33:04.399 --> 03:33:06.455
spending new money on things like

03:33:06.479 --> 03:33:08.455
Christmas decoration they need to be

03:33:08.479 --> 03:33:11.479
considered with many other factors. Um

03:33:11.680 --> 03:33:13.976
the the fact that the decorations are

03:33:14.000 --> 03:33:16.455
reusable is probably something that I

03:33:16.479 --> 03:33:19.335
would take into account. Um but I also

03:33:19.359 --> 03:33:21.736
consider the true meaning of Christmas

03:33:21.760 --> 03:33:24.215
and that Christmas does mean kindness

03:33:24.239 --> 03:33:26.856
and generosity for those in need, peace

03:33:26.880 --> 03:33:29.255
and goodwill towards others, and

03:33:29.279 --> 03:33:32.136
celebration of family and community um

03:33:32.160 --> 03:33:35.160
regardless of faith. Um, these values

03:33:35.600 --> 03:33:37.976
resonate with me and most of the people

03:33:38.000 --> 03:33:40.295
that I know. I spoke with many of my

03:33:40.319 --> 03:33:41.976
residents on the weekend and asked them

03:33:42.000 --> 03:33:44.215
what they thought of Christmas and

03:33:44.239 --> 03:33:47.239
decorations within the city and every

03:33:47.359 --> 03:33:49.496
person that I spoke to agreed that

03:33:49.520 --> 03:33:52.136
Christmas should be celebrated.

03:33:52.160 --> 03:33:55.160
Um, in terms of the 15,000 not being

03:33:56.080 --> 03:33:59.080
budgeted, yes, I I probably agree and I

03:33:59.600 --> 03:34:02.600
and that's probably a a a twigging point

03:34:03.120 --> 03:34:06.120
for me that that I am struggling with um

03:34:06.319 --> 03:34:09.319
after hearing debate tonight. Um, I'd

03:34:09.600 --> 03:34:12.600
also like to see some improvement in

03:34:12.800 --> 03:34:15.736
terms of a community-led part of this

03:34:15.760 --> 03:34:18.536
program and created in a sustainable

03:34:18.560 --> 03:34:21.335
way. So, it is repeatable over many

03:34:21.359 --> 03:34:24.215
years. Um, and has the potential to be

03:34:24.239 --> 03:34:27.239
leveraged for other non-technical tasks.

03:34:27.760 --> 03:34:29.816
um much like a procurement process that

03:34:29.840 --> 03:34:31.576
would allow for community groups to

03:34:31.600 --> 03:34:33.656
respond to a request and we could

03:34:33.680 --> 03:34:35.896
provide them with some financial support

03:34:35.920 --> 03:34:38.295
much like a a fundraising initiative

03:34:38.319 --> 03:34:40.375
where the community gets a a greater

03:34:40.399 --> 03:34:41.896
outcome.

03:34:41.920 --> 03:34:44.776
Um,

03:34:44.800 --> 03:34:47.800
so tonight, um, while I do support

03:34:49.200 --> 03:34:51.096
celebrating Christmas and I think that

03:34:51.120 --> 03:34:52.616
something like this would be lovely for

03:34:52.640 --> 03:34:55.335
our city to see, I am keen to see a

03:34:55.359 --> 03:34:57.096
little bit more information and have it

03:34:57.120 --> 03:34:59.176
a little bit more thought out. I I do

03:34:59.200 --> 03:35:01.816
worry about approving the alternate

03:35:01.840 --> 03:35:03.896
that's in front of us given that it only

03:35:03.920 --> 03:35:06.536
turned up an hour before we met and we

03:35:06.560 --> 03:35:08.936
haven't obviously had an opportunity to

03:35:08.960 --> 03:35:11.960
speak together and be on the same page.

03:35:12.560 --> 03:35:15.255
Um so I would like to see something like

03:35:15.279 --> 03:35:17.976
this happen. Um I thank K counsellor

03:35:18.000 --> 03:35:19.976
Williams for bringing this to us and

03:35:20.000 --> 03:35:21.896
putting all the work that he has into

03:35:21.920 --> 03:35:24.856
it. Um I would like to see Christmas

03:35:24.880 --> 03:35:27.415
celebrated. Um but I think that we can

03:35:27.439 --> 03:35:30.439
work on this in in in um

03:35:31.600 --> 03:35:34.600
in a way that's um more considered.

03:35:36.479 --> 03:35:39.016
Um and so for that reason I'm not sure

03:35:39.040 --> 03:35:40.936
that I can support the alternate that's

03:35:40.960 --> 03:35:43.496
in front of us tonight.

03:35:43.520 --> 03:35:45.576
Thank you councellor Kennet. I think that

03:35:45.600 --> 03:35:48.600
just leaves me left um now to speak. Um

03:35:49.760 --> 03:35:51.496
and I suppose I just want to start by

03:35:51.520 --> 03:35:54.455
saying I do have enough information. Um,

03:35:54.479 --> 03:35:56.616
we've had an issues briefing about it.

03:35:56.640 --> 03:35:58.455
We have a report that sat in front of us

03:35:58.479 --> 03:36:00.215
for the last week, albeit it did say

03:36:00.239 --> 03:36:02.696
50,000 and there is a change there. But

03:36:02.720 --> 03:36:05.656
this new alternate does actually um

03:36:05.680 --> 03:36:08.680
refer to um future um budgetary planning

03:36:09.520 --> 03:36:12.455
processes with um costs associated and

03:36:12.479 --> 03:36:14.536
extending it to red bows, call flu, spin

03:36:14.560 --> 03:36:16.455
wrap. So we know from the report that

03:36:16.479 --> 03:36:19.176
we've already received that that cost is

03:36:19.200 --> 03:36:21.576
only going to go up as years move

03:36:21.600 --> 03:36:24.600
forward. So I I um you know I can't

03:36:24.800 --> 03:36:26.696
support it because in the midst of a

03:36:26.720 --> 03:36:28.455
cost of living crisis, we have a

03:36:28.479 --> 03:36:30.936
responsibility to prioritize people over

03:36:30.960 --> 03:36:33.255
appearances. And while Christmas

03:36:33.279 --> 03:36:35.816
decorations can add atmosphere, they

03:36:35.840 --> 03:36:37.656
don't feed a family, they don't reduce

03:36:37.680 --> 03:36:39.255
isolation, and they don't relieve

03:36:39.279 --> 03:36:41.016
hardship.

03:36:41.040 --> 03:36:43.176
The reality is many in our community are

03:36:43.200 --> 03:36:45.255
struggling to put food on the table,

03:36:45.279 --> 03:36:47.255
especially over a Christmas period when

03:36:47.279 --> 03:36:49.816
loneliness and financial stress are felt

03:36:49.840 --> 03:36:52.840
the most. Rather than spending money on

03:36:52.880 --> 03:36:54.936
more Christmas decorations, particularly

03:36:54.960 --> 03:36:57.176
when council already owns a full suite

03:36:57.200 --> 03:37:00.056
of festivity items at the civic center,

03:37:00.080 --> 03:37:02.696
including the nativity set, I I thought

03:37:02.720 --> 03:37:04.215
we had a Christmas tree and some

03:37:04.239 --> 03:37:06.936
internal decorations. Maybe they weren't

03:37:06.960 --> 03:37:09.496
put up last year, but I have seen them

03:37:09.520 --> 03:37:12.520
over the past 10 years in the center.

03:37:12.560 --> 03:37:15.496
Um, I believe our funding would be far

03:37:15.520 --> 03:37:18.295
better directed towards supporting

03:37:18.319 --> 03:37:20.056
Christmas meals for individuals or

03:37:20.080 --> 03:37:21.496
families who are doing it tough. I would

03:37:21.520 --> 03:37:24.136
love to have um a partnered toy drive

03:37:24.160 --> 03:37:26.215
for Westfield or with Westfield, I

03:37:26.239 --> 03:37:28.375
should say, and and community relief

03:37:28.399 --> 03:37:30.375
organizations, you know, that could be a

03:37:30.399 --> 03:37:32.056
better idea and where we allocate

03:37:32.080 --> 03:37:33.656
funding like this. But we haven't looked

03:37:33.680 --> 03:37:35.736
into that because that hasn't been an

03:37:35.760 --> 03:37:37.415
option that's been discussed around the

03:37:37.439 --> 03:37:39.736
table. And as we've already said, this

03:37:39.760 --> 03:37:41.816
isn't an item in our budget. we haven't

03:37:41.840 --> 03:37:43.896
fully discussed this as a budgetary

03:37:43.920 --> 03:37:46.920
item. Um, and that that I'm only

03:37:47.600 --> 03:37:49.656
prepared to look at those ideas in terms

03:37:49.680 --> 03:37:52.680
of um Christmas relief and funding if

03:37:52.880 --> 03:37:54.936
this council believes that we can afford

03:37:54.960 --> 03:37:57.960
to do so. Um, and and um, you know,

03:37:58.399 --> 03:38:00.696
we're talking about a a discretionary

03:38:00.720 --> 03:38:03.720
fund., this is not part of the the

03:38:04.800 --> 03:38:07.576
mandated spending that we need to do as

03:38:07.600 --> 03:38:10.600
c as a council. Um, but if we do, this

03:38:11.840 --> 03:38:13.896
kind of funding could provide real

03:38:13.920 --> 03:38:16.776
support with dignity and impact. A warm

03:38:16.800 --> 03:38:18.455
meal, a sense of community, and a

03:38:18.479 --> 03:38:20.136
feeling that someone else cares, which

03:38:20.160 --> 03:38:22.056
for me, that is the true spirit of

03:38:22.080 --> 03:38:24.375
Christmas, not a bow wrapped around a

03:38:24.399 --> 03:38:27.399
tree or a bin wrapper, um, you know,

03:38:27.600 --> 03:38:29.656
that says happy holidays or merry

03:38:29.680 --> 03:38:32.616
Christmas on it. So um I would prefer

03:38:32.640 --> 03:38:35.640
our council put our values into action

03:38:36.080 --> 03:38:38.696
and invested you know in compassion

03:38:38.720 --> 03:38:41.720
over consumerism with decorations and

03:38:41.760 --> 03:38:43.496
that we should be for you know focusing

03:38:43.520 --> 03:38:46.295
on core services and infrastructure not

03:38:46.319 --> 03:38:48.616
to expand into areas outside our

03:38:48.640 --> 03:38:51.255
mandate. you know, supporting vulnerable

03:38:51.279 --> 03:38:53.496
community members are definitely well

03:38:53.520 --> 03:38:56.056
within the boundaries of our mandate and

03:38:56.080 --> 03:38:59.080
I simply cannot justify expenditure

03:39:00.000 --> 03:39:03.000
on bows for trees and bin wrappers. So,

03:39:03.680 --> 03:39:06.295
I'm like I've got no time left, so I'm

03:39:06.319 --> 03:39:07.576
just going to leave it there. I think

03:39:07.600 --> 03:39:10.295
that I've made my points really clear.

03:39:10.319 --> 03:39:12.455
Um,

03:39:12.479 --> 03:39:14.215
councellor Williams, you do have a right

03:39:14.239 --> 03:39:16.056
of reply.

03:39:16.080 --> 03:39:19.080
Thank you, Mayor. um must say

03:39:19.200 --> 03:39:21.016
disappointed it's taken 2 hours of our

03:39:21.040 --> 03:39:22.936
time to get to this yet our budget was

03:39:22.960 --> 03:39:24.136
probably done in 5 minutes in

03:39:24.160 --> 03:39:27.160
comparison. Um in in that regards we're

03:39:27.200 --> 03:39:28.616
saying we're going to save money and

03:39:28.640 --> 03:39:29.816
we're looking at cost of living and

03:39:29.840 --> 03:39:32.536
you've raised some very um good

03:39:32.560 --> 03:39:34.136
concerns there that I do agree with you

03:39:34.160 --> 03:39:36.936
on that perhaps we then need to look at

03:39:36.960 --> 03:39:38.776
what we do for sorry day pride day and

03:39:38.800 --> 03:39:40.616
everything else and those events and how

03:39:40.640 --> 03:39:42.856
much money we spend on those as well.

03:39:42.880 --> 03:39:44.375
there is a comparison. So I disagree

03:39:44.399 --> 03:39:45.976
with what councellor Ratwell said

03:39:46.000 --> 03:39:49.000
there um those days

03:39:49.680 --> 03:39:52.680
um are directed to assist those and

03:39:52.880 --> 03:39:54.136
bring community together and that's

03:39:54.160 --> 03:39:57.096
exactly what Christmas does. Um in

03:39:57.120 --> 03:39:58.856
regards to the discussion around the

03:39:58.880 --> 03:40:01.880
papers and and my apologies for the

03:40:01.920 --> 03:40:04.375
notice of motion coming out so late. I

03:40:04.399 --> 03:40:07.399
didn't get any real replies until after

03:40:07.760 --> 03:40:09.415
2 p.m. today where we started consulting

03:40:09.439 --> 03:40:12.439
around this alternate. Um and I

03:40:12.479 --> 03:40:14.136
did lodge that last week. So I would

03:40:14.160 --> 03:40:16.616
like to make that clear. again very

03:40:16.640 --> 03:40:18.295
disappointing that we couldn't even get

03:40:18.319 --> 03:40:21.319
a deferral um and and put this off

03:40:21.439 --> 03:40:23.976
for further discussion. It was really um

03:40:24.000 --> 03:40:26.455
point 4 which I think is the main

03:40:26.479 --> 03:40:27.736
concern around this and I think there

03:40:27.760 --> 03:40:29.335
could have been some further discussion

03:40:29.359 --> 03:40:31.176
around that. also disappointed that

03:40:31.200 --> 03:40:32.776
we're prepared to spend money on

03:40:32.800 --> 03:40:34.215
community consultation, which will

03:40:34.239 --> 03:40:37.239
probably cost 15 20k anyway, um to do

03:40:37.520 --> 03:40:39.816
some community consultation, yet we

03:40:39.840 --> 03:40:42.375
can't go ahead with a $15,000 pilot

03:40:42.399 --> 03:40:44.375
program to start this and get the

03:40:44.399 --> 03:40:46.856
Christmas vibe out there. So, I must say

03:40:46.880 --> 03:40:49.096
sitting here today, I'm extremely

03:40:49.120 --> 03:40:50.616
disappointed

03:40:50.640 --> 03:40:53.176
 in the in the discussions that

03:40:53.200 --> 03:40:55.176
have gone around today and that two

03:40:55.200 --> 03:40:57.016
hours later, we're probably going to

03:40:57.040 --> 03:40:58.936
shut down this motion from all

03:40:58.960 --> 03:41:01.960
accords and um we've achieved not much

03:41:02.319 --> 03:41:05.319
when this was put up in March 2025

03:41:06.479 --> 03:41:08.136
during our budget discussions and we

03:41:08.160 --> 03:41:09.576
knew this possibly would come up as part

03:41:09.600 --> 03:41:11.255
of our discussions. So, I just want to

03:41:11.279 --> 03:41:13.255
stress that, put that on record that I'm

03:41:13.279 --> 03:41:16.279
I'm pretty disgusted in that. Um, and I

03:41:16.399 --> 03:41:17.736
agree with the cost of living and all of

03:41:17.760 --> 03:41:20.536
that. I'm always advocated for that

03:41:20.560 --> 03:41:23.560
and I volunteer a lot of my time to

03:41:24.080 --> 03:41:27.080
charities that benefit from that um such

03:41:27.120 --> 03:41:28.856
as Vinnie's and various other things

03:41:28.880 --> 03:41:31.176
that benefit the person that needs the

03:41:31.200 --> 03:41:33.976
end um support. So, I'm all for that.

03:41:34.000 --> 03:41:35.896
But perhaps then if it's going to come

03:41:35.920 --> 03:41:37.736
down to the cost of living, we need to

03:41:37.760 --> 03:41:39.576
look at things like our sorry day, pride

03:41:39.600 --> 03:41:41.816
day, every other event that we do and

03:41:41.840 --> 03:41:43.656
perhaps budget and look at those budgets

03:41:43.680 --> 03:41:45.496
accordingly because if that's what it's

03:41:45.520 --> 03:41:47.335
coming to, we need to save some money.

03:41:47.359 --> 03:41:50.295
Thank you. I'll now put the motion. All

03:41:50.319 --> 03:41:53.016
those in favor of alternate motion item

03:41:53.040 --> 03:41:54.536
8.9,

03:41:54.560 --> 03:41:57.096
sorry.

03:41:57.120 --> 03:41:59.176
All those against

03:41:59.200 --> 03:42:01.335
the motion is lost. councellor Williams

03:42:01.359 --> 03:42:03.576
has called the division. I'll set that

03:42:03.600 --> 03:42:06.215
that mo that motion aside. I'll now call

03:42:06.239 --> 03:42:09.239
the motion again. All those in favor.

03:42:09.520 --> 03:42:11.736
councellor Pearce, councellor Lockwood,

03:42:11.760 --> 03:42:14.760
councellor Williams. All those against.

03:42:15.840 --> 03:42:17.896
councellor Duncan, councellor Cooper,

03:42:17.920 --> 03:42:20.215
councellor Considine, councellor Atwell,

03:42:20.239 --> 03:42:22.375
councellor Kennet, and councellor Baker.

03:42:22.399 --> 03:42:25.399
The motion is lost.

03:42:28.399 --> 03:42:28.616
We

03:42:28.640 --> 03:42:31.640
now go back to the officers report.

03:43:32.800 --> 03:43:35.800
Okay. So, we are now returning back to

03:43:36.000 --> 03:43:39.000
the agenda. Item 8.9,

03:43:39.840 --> 03:43:42.215
response to notice of motion 177,

03:43:42.239 --> 03:43:44.295
Christmas decorations. Would a council

03:43:44.319 --> 03:43:47.319
like to move a motion?

03:43:55.359 --> 03:43:58.359
I'm happy to move the motion

03:43:58.720 --> 03:44:00.776
 which is the officer's recommendation

03:44:00.800 --> 03:44:03.736
in the report seconded by councellor

03:44:03.760 --> 03:44:06.536
Baker.

03:44:06.560 --> 03:44:09.335
Um okay.

03:44:09.359 --> 03:44:11.496
I'll speak to the motion. Effectively

03:44:11.520 --> 03:44:13.736
this report has been brought to council

03:44:13.760 --> 03:44:16.760
to note this evening.

03:44:16.880 --> 03:44:19.016
Um, I think I've made my position very

03:44:19.040 --> 03:44:22.040
clear in in reference to actually moving

03:44:22.560 --> 03:44:24.136
forward

03:44:24.160 --> 03:44:27.160
 with any program of this kind. Um,

03:44:29.840 --> 03:44:31.335
just see if there's anything else that I

03:44:31.359 --> 03:44:33.175
probably would like to emphasize outside

03:44:33.199 --> 03:44:36.199
of what I've already discussed.

03:44:36.479 --> 03:44:38.696
Um, I what I did want to say actually,

03:44:38.720 --> 03:44:41.720
but I ran out of time was um, Christmas

03:44:42.800 --> 03:44:45.656
Carols by Candlelight is an event. The

03:44:45.680 --> 03:44:48.295
events that were referred to by other

03:44:48.319 --> 03:44:50.295
councellors in support of Christmas

03:44:50.319 --> 03:44:53.096
decorations were events.

03:44:53.120 --> 03:44:54.536
You've got to compare apples with

03:44:54.560 --> 03:44:57.560
apples. In my opinion, we the the most

03:44:57.600 --> 03:45:00.375
expensive event that council put on per

03:45:00.399 --> 03:45:01.096
year.

03:45:01.120 --> 03:45:03.096
A point of order.

03:45:03.120 --> 03:45:06.120
Is this relevant to the motion to note?

03:45:06.399 --> 03:45:08.696
You're right. It's relevant to the

03:45:08.720 --> 03:45:11.576
previous debate. Um you're right. Thank

03:45:11.600 --> 03:45:13.816
you, councellor Lockwood. Um the other

03:45:13.840 --> 03:45:16.840
point that I wanted to make um is um I

03:45:18.560 --> 03:45:21.560
would I would welcome looking at so

03:45:21.840 --> 03:45:23.415
obviously I don't support this but I

03:45:23.439 --> 03:45:25.175
would welcome looking at some sort of

03:45:25.199 --> 03:45:26.936
community-led

03:45:26.960 --> 03:45:29.960
um option and even possible grant

03:45:30.800 --> 03:45:33.335
streams I would encourage our trader

03:45:33.359 --> 03:45:36.215
associations to apply um through our

03:45:36.239 --> 03:45:39.239
grant streams um to you know um fund

03:45:40.479 --> 03:45:42.056
Christmas decorations in business

03:45:42.080 --> 03:45:44.776
precincts. I think that's a great idea.

03:45:44.800 --> 03:45:47.800
Um, but I certainly don't fund council I

03:45:48.080 --> 03:45:50.136
mean don't support council funding

03:45:50.160 --> 03:45:52.776
Christmas decorations per se around the

03:45:52.800 --> 03:45:55.800
entire municipality or in parts of it.

03:45:56.319 --> 03:45:58.696
Um, councellor Baker would you like to

03:45:58.720 --> 03:46:01.016
speak to the motion? Thank you. And it's

03:46:01.040 --> 03:46:02.936
just what I had obviously mentioned

03:46:02.960 --> 03:46:05.960
earlier. This report is for noting um

03:46:06.160 --> 03:46:08.136
and I I do believe that this does need

03:46:08.160 --> 03:46:09.976
to be community-led as you mentioned

03:46:10.000 --> 03:46:12.455
Mayor Cooper and would be interested in

03:46:12.479 --> 03:46:15.479
looking at other suggestions ideas I the

03:46:16.160 --> 03:46:18.056
grant strengths as we had spoken about

03:46:18.080 --> 03:46:20.856
before um and what options that looks

03:46:20.880 --> 03:46:23.880
like um but for the purposes of tonight

03:46:24.800 --> 03:46:27.175
um I just

03:46:27.199 --> 03:46:28.616
I'll leave it at that. I'll just note

03:46:28.640 --> 03:46:29.816
the report. Thank you.

03:46:29.840 --> 03:46:32.215
Yeah, thank you councellor Baker. Would

03:46:32.239 --> 03:46:35.239
any other counsellor like to speak to

03:46:35.359 --> 03:46:38.295
the motion 8.9? Thank you, councellor

03:46:38.319 --> 03:46:39.335
Duncan.

03:46:39.359 --> 03:46:42.359
Um, can I just clarify this?, and

03:46:42.399 --> 03:46:44.295
although this is a different motion, Mr.

03:46:44.319 --> 03:46:46.375
Dowling, I did speak to you during the

03:46:46.399 --> 03:46:47.896
week about the difference between for

03:46:47.920 --> 03:46:50.295
noting and for decision. This actually

03:46:50.319 --> 03:46:52.136
the officer's recommendation has put

03:46:52.160 --> 03:46:54.295
forward multiple options. So my

03:46:54.319 --> 03:46:56.056
understanding is that we are making a

03:46:56.080 --> 03:46:58.215
decision on one or none of those

03:46:58.239 --> 03:47:00.696
options. We are not noting a report for

03:47:00.720 --> 03:47:03.720
the sense of noting it so to speak.

03:47:04.720 --> 03:47:07.415
Um so I'll refer that actually to the

03:47:07.439 --> 03:47:10.136
CEO

03:47:10.160 --> 03:47:13.016
through you may um so the officer's

03:47:13.040 --> 03:47:16.040
report to sort respond to the notice

03:47:16.479 --> 03:47:18.215
motion and the parameters within that

03:47:18.239 --> 03:47:20.856
ask for options. The officer's report

03:47:20.880 --> 03:47:22.616
has provided a number of options for

03:47:22.640 --> 03:47:24.856
council. The recommendation is that they

03:47:24.880 --> 03:47:27.096
be noted. So it's not the officer's

03:47:27.120 --> 03:47:29.096
recommendation was not did not make a

03:47:29.120 --> 03:47:30.455
recommendation on one of those options

03:47:30.479 --> 03:47:32.215
over another. It simply presented those

03:47:32.239 --> 03:47:34.776
options back to council um in response

03:47:34.800 --> 03:47:36.215
to the notice of motion that came

03:47:36.239 --> 03:47:37.896
through to start with. So it is a

03:47:37.920 --> 03:47:40.920
effectively a noting recommendation.

03:47:42.960 --> 03:47:44.616
No thank you. That clarifies that there

03:47:44.640 --> 03:47:46.215
is no decision to be made. So my

03:47:46.239 --> 03:47:49.239
apologies on that one. Um yeah as as

03:47:50.080 --> 03:47:52.295
I said before with with the alternate I

03:47:52.319 --> 03:47:54.215
can't support it in that in that fashion

03:47:54.239 --> 03:47:56.696
that it was. So I'm happy to note this

03:47:56.720 --> 03:47:58.056
report and I think it should be

03:47:58.080 --> 03:47:59.976
unanimously agreed that we're noting it

03:48:00.000 --> 03:48:01.896
giving it no decision. So anyone that

03:48:01.920 --> 03:48:04.295
votes against it is voting against the

03:48:04.319 --> 03:48:05.816
fact that we've been given a report. So

03:48:05.840 --> 03:48:07.656
it seems kind of a moot point.

03:48:07.680 --> 03:48:10.056
Yeah. Thank you. Would any other

03:48:10.080 --> 03:48:13.080
counsellor like to speak to the report?

03:48:14.720 --> 03:48:17.096
Thank you councellor Lwood.

03:48:17.120 --> 03:48:19.816
Why should we get out of here early?

03:48:19.840 --> 03:48:22.056
Um what a pack of Grinches really. Um

03:48:22.080 --> 03:48:24.375
nobody likes Christmas around here.

03:48:24.399 --> 03:48:26.295
Hell, poor old Santa Claus, who's got no

03:48:26.319 --> 03:48:27.656
presence to give out to anybody.

03:48:27.680 --> 03:48:30.680
Everybody's been naughty. Um $15,000 or

03:48:31.359 --> 03:48:34.359
$50,000 in a $220 million budget doesn't

03:48:34.560 --> 03:48:36.295
require us to sacrifice anything.

03:48:36.319 --> 03:48:38.056
There's there'll be unders and overs in

03:48:38.080 --> 03:48:39.496
our account. You will look at the

03:48:39.520 --> 03:48:41.496
quarterly reports in the midyear report

03:48:41.520 --> 03:48:43.896
and you'll see there'll be extra money

03:48:43.920 --> 03:48:46.295
or not um in there. We could we could

03:48:46.319 --> 03:48:48.616
use one of those surplus amounts um as

03:48:48.640 --> 03:48:51.640
staff do. Um we don't need to sacrifice

03:48:52.160 --> 03:48:54.455
anything. And if we're really worried

03:48:54.479 --> 03:48:57.479
the $15,000 needs to be spent on meals,

03:48:57.520 --> 03:48:58.936
then we have a whole raft of other

03:48:58.960 --> 03:49:01.335
things that we spend $15,000 on that we

03:49:01.359 --> 03:49:04.359
should redirect to emergency meals. Um

03:49:04.560 --> 03:49:06.696
just just one item, one Christmas de

03:49:06.720 --> 03:49:09.415
Christmas decorations give people heart.

03:49:09.439 --> 03:49:11.656
I mean, people who were down and out and

03:49:11.680 --> 03:49:13.175
they're walking down a dark, dirty,

03:49:13.199 --> 03:49:15.496
grimy street is different from walking

03:49:15.520 --> 03:49:16.696
down a street with Christmas

03:49:16.720 --> 03:49:19.576
decorations. Um,

03:49:19.600 --> 03:49:21.255
I've lived with nothing. And I know how

03:49:21.279 --> 03:49:23.016
much Christmas means when you got bugger

03:49:23.040 --> 03:49:26.040
all. Um, it it means a hell of a lot.

03:49:26.319 --> 03:49:27.576
Even if you don't, you know, the

03:49:27.600 --> 03:49:29.496
presents you get a handme-downs or next

03:49:29.520 --> 03:49:32.520
door neighbors gifts. Um, Christmas is

03:49:32.800 --> 03:49:35.576
is so vital to uplift the spirits of

03:49:35.600 --> 03:49:36.616
people. So, if we're talking about

03:49:36.640 --> 03:49:38.056
giving emergency meals and stuff,

03:49:38.080 --> 03:49:39.576
really, if you want to uplift their

03:49:39.600 --> 03:49:41.175
spirit, nothing they like better than

03:49:41.199 --> 03:49:43.335
Christmas dinner. Um, because it's

03:49:43.359 --> 03:49:45.656
Christmas and they get to celebrate

03:49:45.680 --> 03:49:47.335
Christmas and wear their party hats.

03:49:47.359 --> 03:49:49.976
point of order itself. Point of order.

03:49:50.000 --> 03:49:51.896
Um, can you speak to the motion? The

03:49:51.920 --> 03:49:54.536
motion is about decorations

03:49:54.560 --> 03:49:56.136
and I think you're bringing up points

03:49:56.160 --> 03:49:58.215
from the last debate, council lock.

03:49:58.239 --> 03:50:00.136
They love the decorations in the hall

03:50:00.160 --> 03:50:03.016
and in the streets if they were there.

03:50:03.040 --> 03:50:04.616
So,

03:50:04.640 --> 03:50:06.295
um,

03:50:06.319 --> 03:50:08.136
I just I just think we're being a bit

03:50:08.160 --> 03:50:09.976
grinchy here. It's it's a trifling

03:50:10.000 --> 03:50:11.976
amount um, which could easily be found

03:50:12.000 --> 03:50:13.576
in the budget without costing us

03:50:13.600 --> 03:50:16.136
anything. And it it just adds to the

03:50:16.160 --> 03:50:18.616
heart of the place. If Knox lacks heart,

03:50:18.640 --> 03:50:20.136
there's no better demonstration than

03:50:20.160 --> 03:50:22.375
what we've done tonight. You all lack

03:50:22.399 --> 03:50:25.399
heart. Thank you.

03:50:25.760 --> 03:50:27.736
Would any other council like to speak to

03:50:27.760 --> 03:50:29.976
the motion?

03:50:30.000 --> 03:50:31.576
Council Williams.

03:50:31.600 --> 03:50:34.600
Thank you, Mayor. Um look, going back to

03:50:34.800 --> 03:50:36.056
the initial notice of motion which was

03:50:36.080 --> 03:50:38.696
raised on the 24th of March, 2025, which

03:50:38.720 --> 03:50:41.175
most of this council agreed to the

03:50:41.199 --> 03:50:44.199
motion. um that had a discussion in

03:50:44.399 --> 03:50:45.576
regards to the options to be

03:50:45.600 --> 03:50:47.415
accommodated with a maximum potential

03:50:47.439 --> 03:50:49.816
annual budget of $50,000 that was

03:50:49.840 --> 03:50:52.295
discussed during our budget discussions

03:50:52.319 --> 03:50:54.696
and our time. so I just would like to

03:50:54.720 --> 03:50:56.696
make that clear. It was highly supported

03:50:56.720 --> 03:50:59.720
at that particular point in time. Um and

03:50:59.920 --> 03:51:02.920
the NOM supported my NOM was supported

03:51:03.920 --> 03:51:05.896
by most councellors to investigate those

03:51:05.920 --> 03:51:07.736
options. Not saying we had to commit to

03:51:07.760 --> 03:51:09.736
anything but to a maximum of 50,000. and

03:51:09.760 --> 03:51:11.096
we knew that it was going to be up to

03:51:11.120 --> 03:51:13.656
50,000 there. Um, so again,

03:51:13.680 --> 03:51:15.576
disappointing. I am taking it for noting

03:51:15.600 --> 03:51:17.656
cuz that's all we can do. Um, but I

03:51:17.680 --> 03:51:19.816
would like to make a note that also I

03:51:19.840 --> 03:51:22.536
would say between my time and the

03:51:22.560 --> 03:51:24.295
council staff time on this particular

03:51:24.319 --> 03:51:26.776
issue. Let's call a dollar for a dollar

03:51:26.800 --> 03:51:28.616
if that's what we're looking at. We've

03:51:28.640 --> 03:51:30.375
probably spent about $5,000 to

03:51:30.399 --> 03:51:31.736
investigate this. Now, I could be wrong.

03:51:31.760 --> 03:51:33.335
It could be half that. Could be $1,000.

03:51:33.359 --> 03:51:35.976
I don't know. But we have spent money to

03:51:36.000 --> 03:51:37.976
investigate this report to which the

03:51:38.000 --> 03:51:40.696
entire majority of the councellors here

03:51:40.720 --> 03:51:42.536
agreed to support Minos motion on. So I

03:51:42.560 --> 03:51:44.455
just wanted to make that clear. Thank

03:51:44.479 --> 03:51:46.616
you councel Williams. Would any other

03:51:46.640 --> 03:51:49.640
counsellor like to speak to the motion?

03:51:53.920 --> 03:51:56.920
councellor Kennet.

03:51:57.600 --> 03:52:00.136
Um,

03:52:00.160 --> 03:52:02.056
it seems like an extraordinary amount of

03:52:02.080 --> 03:52:03.736
time to be talking about Christmas

03:52:03.760 --> 03:52:06.760
decorations and $15,000 at that. Um, I

03:52:08.640 --> 03:52:11.335
do agree with many of the points

03:52:11.359 --> 03:52:14.359
raised tonight and that's and when I

03:52:14.720 --> 03:52:17.175
originally read the alternate motion, I

03:52:17.199 --> 03:52:20.199
didn't didn't think that there was much

03:52:21.199 --> 03:52:24.199
really to discuss because 15,000 is a

03:52:24.960 --> 03:52:26.936
drop in the ocean compared to our larger

03:52:26.960 --> 03:52:29.960
budget. Um, but my concern is

03:52:32.000 --> 03:52:34.936
after hearing the debate is where does

03:52:34.960 --> 03:52:37.960
that end? And so my preference is for

03:52:39.520 --> 03:52:41.335
this to come back and be considered

03:52:41.359 --> 03:52:44.295
within council's budget so that they can

03:52:44.319 --> 03:52:47.319
be consulted on as a whole um and roll

03:52:49.199 --> 03:52:52.199
out something that is more community-led

03:52:52.319 --> 03:52:54.936
but something similar to because I think

03:52:54.960 --> 03:52:57.896
that we should be celebrating Christmas.

03:52:57.920 --> 03:53:00.920
Um so just a few minor concerns really.

03:53:02.000 --> 03:53:04.295
Um,

03:53:04.319 --> 03:53:07.175
and I guess, yeah, I would thank

03:53:07.199 --> 03:53:09.816
councellor Williams for pursuing it and

03:53:09.840 --> 03:53:12.215
putting all the effort into it. Um, I

03:53:12.239 --> 03:53:14.696
would like to see this come back at a at

03:53:14.720 --> 03:53:17.720
a later date um where we can address the

03:53:18.239 --> 03:53:21.016
concerns that have been raised, the um

03:53:21.040 --> 03:53:23.175
the areas that be put in that it could

03:53:23.199 --> 03:53:25.255
be more community-led, that we can

03:53:25.279 --> 03:53:28.279
include it in a budget. Um and then

03:53:29.359 --> 03:53:32.359
hopefully we can not be Grinches.

03:53:33.439 --> 03:53:34.375
Thank you.

03:53:34.399 --> 03:53:35.736
Thank you.

03:53:35.760 --> 03:53:37.576
Thank you, Council Kenned. Would any

03:53:37.600 --> 03:53:39.096
other council would like to speak to the

03:53:39.120 --> 03:53:42.120
motion?

03:53:43.760 --> 03:53:46.760
Last call.

03:53:48.880 --> 03:53:51.175
Okay, I'll exercise my right of reply.

03:53:51.199 --> 03:53:53.896
Um,

03:53:53.920 --> 03:53:56.920
I'm hearing people say that we don't

03:53:57.279 --> 03:53:58.776
celebrate Christmas, that we're

03:53:58.800 --> 03:54:01.096
Grinches, that, you know, because we

03:54:01.120 --> 03:54:03.656
don't want to spend money or support the

03:54:03.680 --> 03:54:05.736
spending of money on um Christmas

03:54:05.760 --> 03:54:08.760
decorations, you know, we therefore

03:54:08.800 --> 03:54:11.415
don't celebrate Christmas. And I just

03:54:11.439 --> 03:54:14.439
want to completely reject that. we

03:54:15.040 --> 03:54:18.040
spend a lot of money on Christmas and we

03:54:18.080 --> 03:54:20.616
spend a lot of money on carols by candle

03:54:20.640 --> 03:54:23.016
light. Um in the past we've obviously

03:54:23.040 --> 03:54:26.040
spent money on our Christmas nativity

03:54:26.160 --> 03:54:29.160
sets and um internal decorations that we

03:54:29.359 --> 03:54:31.016
have here at the civic center. What

03:54:31.040 --> 03:54:33.656
we're actually talking about are

03:54:33.680 --> 03:54:36.375
additional decorations to put up in

03:54:36.399 --> 03:54:39.175
small pockets of the community around

03:54:39.199 --> 03:54:42.199
the entire municipality. and um and I

03:54:42.800 --> 03:54:45.736
simply don't support that. I don't think

03:54:45.760 --> 03:54:48.455
that that delivers

03:54:48.479 --> 03:54:50.455
 I don't think that delivers for our

03:54:50.479 --> 03:54:52.056
community and there's actually no

03:54:52.080 --> 03:54:53.656
community consultation that could

03:54:53.680 --> 03:54:55.496
suggest either way.

03:54:55.520 --> 03:54:57.255
Um

03:54:57.279 --> 03:55:00.136
that's probably all I would like to say.

03:55:00.160 --> 03:55:03.016
 we're discussing for noting and

03:55:03.040 --> 03:55:05.656
you're going back through that but

03:55:05.680 --> 03:55:08.680
and I I call a point of order on um 54.5

03:55:09.279 --> 03:55:12.279
and 54.6. six. It's a tedious repetition

03:55:12.399 --> 03:55:13.496
of something that we've already all

03:55:13.520 --> 03:55:14.616
spoken about.

03:55:14.640 --> 03:55:17.255
Um, I'm addressing the points that have

03:55:17.279 --> 03:55:19.736
been raised in this debate, so they're

03:55:19.760 --> 03:55:21.896
relevant.

03:55:21.920 --> 03:55:24.920
The comments were made in this debate.

03:55:27.279 --> 03:55:29.255
Cringes we were we were told,

03:55:29.279 --> 03:55:31.096
are we are we not only entitled to talk

03:55:31.120 --> 03:55:33.335
as ourselves for the noting on this

03:55:33.359 --> 03:55:35.496
motion?

03:55:35.520 --> 03:55:37.656
I don't think I don't I don't understand

03:55:37.680 --> 03:55:40.680
what your question is.

03:55:41.120 --> 03:55:42.455
You can over the point of order.

03:55:42.479 --> 03:55:44.295
I Yeah, I do overrule the point of

03:55:44.319 --> 03:55:47.175
order. Um,

03:55:47.199 --> 03:55:49.255
okay. I actually had finished what I was

03:55:49.279 --> 03:55:51.335
going to say anyway. So, I'll now put

03:55:51.359 --> 03:55:54.359
the motion. All those in favor.

03:55:55.120 --> 03:55:57.496
Um, but this is obviously for the the

03:55:57.520 --> 03:56:00.520
report. The the motion is carried. Thank

03:56:02.479 --> 03:56:04.215
you.

03:56:04.239 --> 03:56:07.239
Okay. We're now going to move on to um

03:56:07.279 --> 03:56:09.496
item nine, supplementary items, which

03:56:09.520 --> 03:56:12.520
there are none. Item 10, notices of

03:56:13.199 --> 03:56:15.335
motion. This evening, we do not have any

03:56:15.359 --> 03:56:17.736
notices of motion.

03:56:17.760 --> 03:56:20.455
Item 11, urgent business, does any

03:56:20.479 --> 03:56:22.616
council wish to raise a matter of urgent

03:56:22.640 --> 03:56:25.640
business?

03:56:25.760 --> 03:56:28.215
He's not in the room.

03:56:28.239 --> 03:56:30.136
There being no urgent business, I'll

03:56:30.160 --> 03:56:32.696
move on to questions through the chair.

03:56:32.720 --> 03:56:34.856
Does any council wish to raise a

03:56:34.880 --> 03:56:37.880
question through the chair?

03:56:39.120 --> 03:56:41.255
Okay, we'll move on to item 13,

03:56:41.279 --> 03:56:44.279
confidential items. There is one item of

03:56:44.560 --> 03:56:46.616
confidential business this evening. Item

03:56:46.640 --> 03:56:48.375
13.1,

03:56:48.399 --> 03:56:50.696
Knox central program working position

03:56:50.720 --> 03:56:53.415
update. Is someone prepared to move that

03:56:53.439 --> 03:56:56.136
we close the meeting to the public in in

03:56:56.160 --> 03:56:58.375
accordance with section 66 of the local

03:56:58.399 --> 03:57:01.399
government act 2020 as shown on the

03:57:01.439 --> 03:57:04.439
screen? Moved by councellor Baker

03:57:04.640 --> 03:57:07.640
and seconded by councellor Atwell

03:57:10.479 --> 03:57:13.175
and all those in favor.

03:57:13.199 --> 03:57:16.199
Okay, the motion is carried. Thank you.

03:57:16.800 --> 03:57:18.776
So we are now going to move into

03:57:18.800 --> 03:57:20.856
confidential items on the agenda this

03:57:20.880 --> 03:57:23.816
evening. As this is the last um agenda

03:57:23.840 --> 03:57:25.816
item, we will not be reopening the

03:57:25.840 --> 03:57:28.375
meeting after this. Thank you to the

03:57:28.399 --> 03:57:30.696
members of our public gallery and to our

03:57:30.720 --> 03:57:33.720
members um online um in the gallery

03:57:33.840 --> 03:57:36.616
online for joining us this evening and

03:57:36.640 --> 03:57:39.016
we wish you a very good evening. Thank

03:57:39.040 --> 03:57:42.040
you. Good night.