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 welcome councilors officers and

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members of the online and public gallery

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to tonight's council meeting I'm

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counselor Jude Dwight and I have the

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privilege of being the Mayor of Knox City

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Council I will start by acknowledging

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that we are on the traditional lands of

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the Wurundjeri and Bunurong people and pay our

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respects to Elders past present and

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emerging I would also like to

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acknowledge any Aboriginal and Torres

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Strait Islander people that we have

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with us today

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our statement of commitment the Knox way

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is characterized by service integrity

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community participation accountability

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and good governance council is committed

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to being responsive to the community and

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advocating to other governments and

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agencies on their behalf we recognize

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the importance of local democracy and

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council's responsibility to govern well

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for all in our city   our history is rich

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and in the spirit of the Knox tradition

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let us move and

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prosper we're conducting tonight's

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meeting in a hybrid format as usual and

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we do have counselors joining us online

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tonight I will start by introducing my

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colleagues and you can give a bit of a

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wave as I call your names so 

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counselors in attendance tonight

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councelor Susan Lankins representing Friberg Ward

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councelor Darren Pearce representing Taylor

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Ward councelor Meagan Baker representing

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Dobson Ward our Deputy Mayor councelor

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Sorina Grasso representing Dinsdale Ward 

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councelor Marcia Timmers-Leitch representing

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Collier Ward and councelor Nicole Seymour

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representing Tirhatuan Ward

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online tonight we have councelor

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Yvonne Alldred representing Baird and

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councelor Lisa Cooper representing

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Scott Ward

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also with us in the chamber tonight we

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have our acting chief executive officer

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Greg Cursio our acting director of City

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livability Paul Dickie

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our director of connected

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communities Judy Chalkley our acting

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director of infrastructure Matt

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Hanrahan our acting director of customer

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and performance Lisa

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Westbury our Chief Financial Officer 

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Lin ? our manager of governance and risk

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Andrew Dowling and other members of our

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governance team and I will just mention

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we have a lot of acting people tonight

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and we welcome you to this council

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meeting tonight's meeting is being

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recorded and live streamed on our

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website in accordance with our live

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streaming of public meetings policy and

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so Council does not permit additional

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recordings of the meeting members of the

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gallery should note that you may be

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visible in the background of the live

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stream Vision live streaming and

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recording will be suspended if this

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meeting is closed to the public to

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consider confidential business in

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accordance with Section 66 of the Local

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Government Act

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2022 I remind everyone that opinions

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expressed and statements made during

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this meeting are those of the

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individuals making them and not those of

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council unless set out in a resolution

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passed by

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Council Council accepts no liability for

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any defamatory remarks made during a

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meeting you are responsible for your own

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comments and therefore maybe personally

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liable for any loss or damage that they

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cause I would also like to ask everyone

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present to remain quiet when others are

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addressing the meeting and remind the

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gallery that this is a midm Mon's

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meeting of council and that there's no

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opportunity for members of the gallery

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to ask questions or participate in

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debate during the

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meeting so moving to our order of

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business the first item is apologies and

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we have no apologies this

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evening declarations of conflict of

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interest if any counselor has a conflict

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of interest to declare tonight now is an

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opportunity to foreshadow that conflict

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but I'll ask that you declare your

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conflict of interest in full later in

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the meeting immediately before the item

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is considered are there any such

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declarations tonight

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no item three confirmation of

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minutes is there any opposition to the

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minutes of the mid-month council meeting

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held on Tuesday the 12th of March

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2024 no there being no opposition I

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declare the minutes to be

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confirmed the next item on the agenda is

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four officers reports 4.1 Capital Works

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program update would a counsilor like to

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move a

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motion councilor Grasso is that as per the

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officers

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recommendation is

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printed yes Mayor as per the officer's

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recommendations thank you councilor Grasso

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is there a second to that motion Council

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Laukins thank you councelor Grasso would you

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like to

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speak  the the report is mora an

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admin for noting the capital Works

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program update  I'm very pleased to

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see so so many projects that are 

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either mostly delivered  or a little

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bit yet to be done I  highlighted the

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footpath renewal program in particular

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that applies to all Wards over 95% of

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the 2325 program has been delivered and

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the remaining 5% has been allocated to

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contractors the bycycle shared path renewal

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program as well half has been completed

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Etc  and in in particular  building

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renewal program for all Wards I'm  

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basically  commending the program to

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you thank you councelor Grasso councilor

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Look lovely thank you through you Mayor

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Dwight I'm just on the front page 

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council's Carrington Park Leisure 

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facilities certainly coming along 

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gang busters due to open or have a 

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their first tournament  later this

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month  which is quite exciting but

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it's not the only thing that's happening

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at Carrington  so  things are really

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progressing in that  space which is

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all our  clubs are very happy probably

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to put on the on the record the

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Carrington Park pavilion  on page 17

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procurement PL procurement plan for

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Concept Designs approved with tenders

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have just been advertised to assist with

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that concept design so  I'm sure our

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two tenants there  Knox United and the

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Knoxfield Cricket Club would be very

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happy to  have that  project to

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start thank you Councilor Look I have a

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question Madame Mayor certainly

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councilor Pearce  it's  to acting

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director Hanrahan  project number five

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sorry 1515 major Crescent

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Reserve landscape plan

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implementation it says here

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that  requests for quotations have now

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closed and the contract will be awarded

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in March 2024 it's now April has it been

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awarded thank you for your question

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councelor Pearce   acting director

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Henry  thanks Council Pearce no it

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hasn't been awarded at the minute we're

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going some through some formalities of

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the evaluation process we've mostly

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completed them there's a couple of

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queries we've had that are being

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addressed presently

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are you reasonably confident it'll be

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awarded within the next

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month  yes I am and yeah I'll leave it

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to

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that would you like to speak councilor

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peer I will Madam mayor  look I you

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know I've got no problem most the report

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what I do have a problem with is that

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we're spending $81,300 on artwork

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renewal item project number 566 and it's

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going to aeroplane

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boy sculpture a totem

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poles and the two Opperman sculptures I

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haven't got a problem with two Opperman

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sculptures that's something worthwhile

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ordering SEC oerman but the other two I

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mean this is just out of control I mean

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80 yeah we're going to be talking later

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about counselor expenses this is

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$81,000 not to build it to maintain it I

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think this is becoming a luxury we

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really can't afford and we need to look

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start serious looking at decommissioning

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some of these

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things thank you Council Pearson what any

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other counsil like to speak to this

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item looking

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online okay  I will briefly

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acknowledge some of these really big

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projects that we have completed in this

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period obviously the new Knox library is

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something that I've had opportunity to

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celebrate and speak about a lot  at in

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various  channels  so it's really

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exciting it's if anyone hasn't been I'm

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going to say it again get down there and

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see  what that incredible project has

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achieved  there's plenty of really

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friendly staff on site that want to 

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to that want you to have the best 

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experience you can at the new Knox

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library at Westfield and also our youth

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services team operating out of Youth

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Hive there as well  and also mention

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the Fair Park Reserve official opening

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tomorrow which is  another long

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awaited and and big invest investment by

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Knox Council  and and pleased that

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those facilities are ready for Community

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use  and looking forward to that

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opening tomorrow the only other one that

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I'll pick up on is 1176 the solar in

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community facilities I know that solar

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 PV installation has been completed at

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Knox Civic Center with the grid

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connection underway and I'm well aware

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of that because of all the noise that

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I've heard on the

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so that's been that's been really really

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great to see  that one done as well

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and there's plenty of other things in

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that report  I always appreciate being

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able to  keep up to date with how

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we're achieving so  thanks to the team

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and all the teams involved with those

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ones councelor Gro would you like your

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writ of

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reply thank you man Dwight of course 

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the library is  as it happens in the

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Ward which  is also but it's not just

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about vinel W it's the fact that it's 

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you know a Community Asset for the whole

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municipality and  we're all

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fantastically pleased with how amazing

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it is what a great asset it is for the

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community  and   the  Lewis Park

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master plan implementation stage one

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waterways that construction is

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progressing well  also very pleased to

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to highlight that so   that's all

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from me for the

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moment thank you councilor grer I'll now

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put the motion all those in

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favor that motion's carried unanimously

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thank

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you item 4.2 preventing homelessness

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among older women research project

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outcomes would a counselor like to move

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a

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motion

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 councelor loin I'll move as for the

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officer's recommendation sorry and you

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were happy to second that thank you

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councelor Grasso Council Lain would you

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like to speak yes thank you  this is a

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a report for noting that has been  has

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occurred that we received funding for 

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to explore this project because we know

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from the Eastern affordable housing

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Alliance which I from I understand 

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Council Grasso is on it was completed

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over 12 months   with as you can see

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highlighted multiple Services were

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engaged but I was really pleased to hear

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that there was also  persons with

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lived experience that put their put

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forward their   words to this

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project and I think this project we need

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to make sure that they are really

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important to  understand the Quant

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of an issue that we have and it also

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gives ways and recommendations on how we

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can  move forward to make deliverable

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and real  changes in this space and I

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know there were different  as

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different sort of areas sorry if I go to

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my report sorry I wasn't actually going

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to do this but there's act sorry

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 there

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are  in the report there was  how

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council could  affect change there was

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how Community could affect change how

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state government could affect change so

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I think this report really gives us an

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insight into ways that we can manage

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this over 55 women  homelessness is a

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real problem and I'm really glad that we

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have this piece of evidence now  that

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we can move forward to try and address

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these in some way  we all know a home

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is really important as a base level if

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you look at the maslo hierarchy when you

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have a home when you have a shelter then

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the rest of  a person's wellbeing for

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into play so I think this is really

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important to acknowledge that we have a

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problem  but we have some research to

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try and move forward and ways to 

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improve that so I commend the team  

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director Chalkley thank you very much 

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I really look forward to see how this

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piece of evidence we will be able to put

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in place to  support this cohort thank

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you thank you councilor loins councilor

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Gro

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 Ed I think that I think that  

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councelor Susanne loin has  expressed

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it

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 in the same sort of way that I would

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express it in the sense that  a single

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woman over 55 are the fastest growing

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cohort of people experiencing

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homelessness  this very important

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piece of work highlights the local

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impact those most at risk and ways to

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address the issue  and  having been

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on the easn affordable housing Alliance

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 I I can only further endorse what

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councelor Suzanne loin has said and 

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commend the report to

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you thank you councelor Gro I have a

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question Madame mayor councelor PE for

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director Chalkley  did the $180,000

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Grant cover the entire cost of this

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project thank you councelor P I'll refer

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that to director

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Chalkley three M May yes it did

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councelor

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PE would you like to speak yes and I'm

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going to speak against it and I want to

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be very clear here that I share the

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serious concern of women over

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55  the rapid increasing rate of

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homelessness as with men over 55 and are

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other groups of homeless the problem of

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growing homeless in our community and

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the lack of action about it but this

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report I'm sorry to me it's virtue

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signaling again it doesn't really

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achieve doesn't have a strategy here

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that's going to got any chance of being

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implemented I got I'm very concerned

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when you look at on on page 22 of 160

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where it says that there are

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underutilized there are 64,000 oh sorry

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there are soul  residents age 60 years

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and above who live in dwellings with two

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or more

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bedrooms so what that's their home we

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don't have the you don't know that

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they're underutilized you're just

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assing because there's more than

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because there's more bedrooms than there

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are occupants and this is this creeping

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thing that's coming in now saying you

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you selfish retirees and older people

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you should downsize from your big home

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so it can be turned over for other use

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now I'm I'm simp I'm simply not going to

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support a rapport that recommends

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putting putting people on a guilt trip

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because they happen to have worked hard

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and to buy a large home and they're

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enjoying the fruits of that the second

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part is when it talks about well let's

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get the state government to buy up all

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the available housing so we don't have

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these expensive retirement villages the

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state government is broke stone m is

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broke where is the money going to come

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from there is nothing in this report

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that even talks about what the potential

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funding options are it's a wish list

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it's a cross your fingers and H

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something happens I'm glad we didn't pay

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for this because I'm thoroughly

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unimpressed with

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it thank you councelor Pier would any

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other counselor like to speak counselor

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Seymour thank you through you madam

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mayor  I hear what my colleague

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councelor Pierce has articulated and you

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know is there some truth  in terms of

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the overarching report perhaps  but

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what I do draw my  colleagues

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attention to which was the bit that was

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really of importance and significance to

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me was from page 79 so page 79 and page

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80 we know that the state is broke we

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know that the federal government  are

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doing more lip service than action in

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terms of addressing homelessness we know

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that the state government is giving lip

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service rather than real change around

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homelessness  and the can can't be

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kicked down to local government because

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we don't have the resources  the

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financial resources or land resources or

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decision making authority to be able to

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make as significant  change as what

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the other tiers of government  are

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capable of but we do have a role which

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is very well articulated on page 80 and

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it applies to all homeless so not just

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the over50 women over

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55 which is  a significant cohort 

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but there's a whole lot of new and

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emerging Trends in terms of homelessness

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filtering through  at the moment that

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these really pick up on and the the

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critical things for me is  that

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destigmatization of what homelessness

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looks like I've spoken on this many

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times  the assption that

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homelessness means drug addiction or

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alcohol addiction brown paper bag

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 and a whole range of other things is

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not indicative of homelessness in Knox so

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local government does had a have a role

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in  giving line of sight to the issue

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to destigmatizing the issue and what I

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am very proud of here at Knox is the

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support that we have in terms of our 

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short-term care team  and the Outreach

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programs that we do and how we integrate

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 our homelessness response through

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different departments in the

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organization so whether it's our Parks

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team  whether it's the teams are

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cleaning up local shopping strips

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whether it's our maternal health nurse

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we are a front door  for being able to

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address homelessness in our community

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which is really important so you know

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working through some of the issues in

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here we need to pick out the Nuggets

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that are important to local government

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that we can hold on to that can inform

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our policy our actions and our behaviors

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and I think  that there is certainly

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Merit in this report in doing so  so

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the fact that the government funded it

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great because I don't think we would

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ever fund something like this but there

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is enough now in there to inform our own

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policy going forward and I look forward

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to seeing some actions as part of our

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council plan that we can  piggy back

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off the back of this stuff thank you

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thank you councelor seor right on time

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 would any other counselor like to

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speak all right I will speak given that

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I am the representative currently for

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eha although I acknowledge I haven't

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been able to make the this meet this

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year's meeting  I want to note the the

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report  which is what we're being

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asked to do tonight so

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where we might have areas that we

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disagree with we are being asked to know

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to tonight and that's what the motion

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calls for  and I really do appreciate

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the body of work that's been done

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especially when it's been funded by

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another level of government I do want to

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highlight though what I think is a key

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issue everywhere that's preventing

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substant substantial investment and

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growth in both the supply and management

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of affordable housing for all cohorts

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and I think that's certainty certainty

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is required across all level R of

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government and from all stakeholders so

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for local Council specifically certainty

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is about first understanding the

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opportunity opportunities that may exist

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for us to be able to participate in but

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it's also to identify and commit to

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where when and how we will participate

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and I think that's what I'm hearing in

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conversation tonight the report is

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bringing to light  some of the gaps

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and then we're also seeing the

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opportunity maybe it's in the council

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plan our own  policies where we can 

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identify and commit to how we're going

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to

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participate I think back to debate last

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year about council's financial

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investment to e-hour and I said then

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that we need to do all that we can to

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assist in a problem that is bigger than

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all of us  but what

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I just keep talking

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yes what I don't want to see and exactly

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I Echo what you're saying counselor

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peace I don't want to see a report

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presented to us with great ideas but for

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it to go nowhere there's no point  for

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it to go somewhere it does need a level

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of certainty around it around it and I

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agree with you councilor Pierce that the

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report doesn't clearly articulate cost

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modeling for proposed project projects

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or the estimated funding required to for

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further investigation and study and I

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acknowledge or at least I hope that this

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information will be brought back through

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further work by eha on the back of the

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study obviously there is another piece

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of work required to understand what

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those funding implications and those

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Avenues under state government

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government legislation are going to be

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however I do want to note the value in

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the following  actions that have been

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identified and that's the the land

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utilization study of council assets for

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the purpose of delivering affordable

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housing outcomes for the over 55y old

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women cohort specifically but more

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widely also  increasing the use of the

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section 173 agreements to deliver

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appropriate affordable housing outcomes

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and expanding the role of council to act

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as advocates for the delivery of Social

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and affordable housing outcomes so I'm

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highlighting the value in the report

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acknowledging the gaps but recognizing

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that tonight we're asked to note note

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this report Council hold on lens would

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you like you're right reply I'll now put

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the motion all those in

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favor we have six in the chamber and two

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online all those opposed we have one in

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the in the chamber that Mo motion is

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carried okay item 4.3 councelor expenses

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and support

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policy  we have received two alternate

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motions for this item both of which are

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seeking to make amendments to the draft

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policy acknowledging that tonight is

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about endorsing a draft policy for

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Community

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consultation councilor Baker was the

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first to foreshadow an alternate and I

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have foreshadowed a second alternate

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together with councilor

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Lain as a number of changes are being

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proposed to the policy I would like to

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foreshadow that I intend to split the

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final motion under governance rule 3 in

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or in order to enable Council to vote

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separately on each proposed change so I

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will moove the motion from the chair

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tonight acknowledging that what's been

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circulated for counselors this afternoon

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has had has undergone another small

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change so when that's up on the screen I

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I am if it's okay with everybody going

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to read it so that we know what we're

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working on

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tonight okay we just wait for that to oh

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there it

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is okay so this

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motion

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 that

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Council thanks yeah thank you governance

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the council endorsed the draft counselor

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expense and support policy as stood out

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in attachment to the officer report for

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the purpose of community engagement

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subject to 1 Section

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6.4.2 annual budget allocation for

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conferences seminars training

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professional development and

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representation being amended as shown

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below subject to consideration and

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approval of the annual Council budget

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and allocation for conferences seminars

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training professional development and

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representation of

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$55,000 will be made in respect of each

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counselor 7,000 for the deputy mayor and

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11,000 for the

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May for use within a given maril year at

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the discretion of the individual

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counselor allocations oh sorry

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individual counselor allocations are not

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culative as between maral years we'll

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just maybe adjust that one on the

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final two section

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6.4.4 counselor induction and sector

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training being amended to include the

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following additional text a council's

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entitlement to have met or reimbursed

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the cost of completing the Australian

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Institute of company directors company

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director's course is subject to and

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conditional upon the course commencing

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prior to the calendar year in which a

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general election is to be

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held three section

00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:42.759
6.5.1 attendance at the Australian local

00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.319
government Association Elga National

00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.920
General Assembly NGA being replaced with

00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.559
the following the mayor and Deputy Mayor

00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:53.519
are entitled under this section to have

00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:55.799
met or reimburse the costs for attending

00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:57.799
and representing council at the annual

00:27:57.880 --> 00:27:59.839
National general assembly of the

00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:02.640
Australian local government Association

00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:04.200
which provides councils with the

00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:06.599
opportunity to participate and engag in

00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.680
advocacy and discussion on matters of

00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:12.680
national importance to local

00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:15.640
government in the event the mayor and or

00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.279
Deputy Mayor are are unable or do not

00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:20.440
wish to attend a substitute counselor

00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:22.319
May attend in their place and shall be

00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.319
entitled to have met or reimbursed the

00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:26.640
costs for attending where more than two

00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.039
counselors inclusive of the mayor and or

00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:31.519
Deputy Mayor if attending wish to claim

00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:33.680
an entitlement under this section the

00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.000
mayor shall consult with counselors

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seeking to reduce the number of

00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.440
delegates to two priority will be given

00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:42.559
to councilors who have not previously

00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:44.880
attended the NGA in the current term of

00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:47.279
council where following consultation

00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:49.200
with the mayor more than two counselors

00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:51.519
wish to claim an entitlement under this

00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:53.640
section the matter shall be referred to

00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:55.480
council for

00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.359
determination the total cost for

00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:59.759
attending the NGA excluding meals and

00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.160
transport costs under this section shall

00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.160
not be deducted from Individual

00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.200
counselors conference seminar and

00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:09.279
representation expenses

00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.519
entitlement at the request of the mayor

00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:13.480
and subject to available budget

00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:15.880
Provisions the councelor delegation to

00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.519
the NGA may be supported at council's

00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.279
expense by the chief exe executive

00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:26.480
officer for Section 6.8.0 alcohol being

00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.599
replaced with the following

00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.680
where this policy makes allowance for

00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:32.559
Refreshments or meals for the mayor

00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.880
counselors or committee members in the

00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:37.480
absence of a prior resolution of council

00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:40.079
the cost of alcoholic beverages shall

00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.519
not be met or reimbursed as an expense

00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:45.440
except where they cannot be reasonably

00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.680
avoided such as where alcoholic

00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.039
beverages are included as part of the

00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.960
ticket price of an event or

00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:56.079
function Five Section

00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:58.640
6.11 subscriptions

00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:00.440
being replaced with the following

00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.200
counselors can access the age newspaper

00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.240
as part of a your library membership

00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.359
Council will directly pay for or

00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.799
reimburse the cost of a subscription to

00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.359
the herald Sun

00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.839
newspaper other subscriptions may be

00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.359
considered in in accordance with Section

00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.599
6.15 of this

00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.839
policy  and the others are REM

00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.480
remaining as as per what's been said

00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:31.920
PD this one's a new one I'll read this

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also authorize the chiefing secutive

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officer to make such consequential

00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:38.480
amendments to the draft counselor

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expenses and support policy as set out

00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.440
in attachment to as I considered

00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:45.640
necessary to give effect to the changes

00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.599
in the preceding

00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.720
resolutions thank you for allowing me to

00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:53.480
read that I wanted to make sure that we

00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.440
know what's been finalized cuz it's had

00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:56.680
a lot of

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iterations  and as I indicated I will

00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.480
be asking calling on counselors to speak

00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.000
to the motion as a whole but we will

00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:09.680
vote on each of those points

00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:11.839
individually Madame may can I request

00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:13.720
that we suspend standing orders so we

00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:16.720
can discuss this in a less formal

00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.759
environment so councilor Pier is moving

00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.799
a procedural motion to suspend standing

00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.920
orders is there a second for that motion

00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.519
councilor Tim Le all those in favor that

00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:32.319
motion is

00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.960
carried would a counselor well it

00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.240
doesn't matter but you can

00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.759
speak I think I don't even remember how

00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.400
suspending

00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:46.319
standing i' yes that's right so I have

00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:50.440
moved that motion is there a second

00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.400
 after we've suspended St yep that's

00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:59.160
okay that's fine so 

00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:03.319
given that I am probably going to

00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:07.359
speak to if I can or do I do that a

00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.839
later

00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.640
Point all right I'm just figuring out

00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:23.880
all these moving parts so we do have a

00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.000
suspension of standing orders but Madam

00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:27.480
mayor could I suggest we start at the

00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:29.160
top of the list and progressively just

00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.000
work our way down I think we could

00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.359
except do them one by one by one as as

00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:35.680
mover of the motion and I haven't spoken

00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:37.519
I will I know I've said a lot but I

00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.839
still haven't spoken so I we'll just put

00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:43.079
a bit of context around this

00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:47.119
 and I want to note again that tonight

00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.519
this motion is for decision for draft to

00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:51.839
be endorsed for Community consultation

00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:54.759
so I recognize that this is not a final

00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:57.400
 policy  but this is going out for

00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:58.359
community

00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.480
consultation and for me this has been

00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.000
important because it's the one

00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:04.279
opportunity for this term of counselors

00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.519
to make their mark on the counselor

00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.200
expenses and support policy in the

00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.400
context that we're currently operating

00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:14.319
in and and it is different to four years

00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.119
ago and four years before that with

00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.119
budget cuts happening at every level of

00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.279
government and across all directorates

00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.160
and teams within our organization I feel

00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.599
that it's prudent that we look at the

00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.119
one policy that we have that speaks to

00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.640
our own budget the way that we as

00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:34.640
councilors expend rate payers money I

00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:36.839
recognize that tonight's decision is

00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:38.920
endorsing that draft for the purpose of

00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.039
consultation however it doesn't really

00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:43.880
take a submission for us to have a

00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:46.519
pretty good idea of how most people feel

00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:48.519
about the way that we do expend their

00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.519
money and that's why  I have I've put

00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.359
considerable thought into what I'm

00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:56.039
proposing and I appreciate other

00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.400
councilors that have contributed to this

00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.440
 the alternate and I'm happy to

00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.160
discuss it and hear from councils at

00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.160
this point before we move on I'd like to

00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.240
ask a question of our

00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:11.440
CF just for complete transparency and

00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.199
and given the context of this how much

00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:18.199
do we spend on the strategic planning

00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.440
weekend I'd have to come back to you on

00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.159
that about put about $111,000 Plus monus

00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:29.760
,000 me a fair

00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.519
call oh without looking at it I can't

00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.119
confirm councelor peace and follow

00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:39.599
question is could we have not had the

00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:41.559
could we not have used a facility here

00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:44.159
at noox without overnight accommodation

00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:47.760
that dinner for about $4,000 I think I I

00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:49.480
feel like this might be except that

00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.960
where suspended standing ORD is  it's

00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:55.440
not actually relevant it is better as

00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:57.320
far as I can say it's not relevant to

00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:59.920
the motion that's on the screen M mayor

00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.360
it goes to

00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.440
consistency of our

00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:08.639
position did we not did we not all go to

00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.320
the ARA Valley Lodge for an overnight

00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.920
strategic planning weekend when the same

00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:15.079
thing could have been done here in

00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.199
schools be for onethird of cost I'm

00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:18.719
saying if we're going have an authentic

00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.000
discussion about this and be and be holy

00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:23.760
and V on Council you know counsil

00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:25.320
expenses let's get it all out in the

00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:28.199
open I did move

00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.679
last year to ensure this but I couldn't

00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.480
get any support at all for it so I'm

00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:36.079
putting it up here now thank you Council

00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:40.760
Pierce I probably want to  just

00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:44.159
indicate that there's other factors in

00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.119
consideration when we talk about the

00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:48.679
expense of for example the budget work

00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.480
and Leadership weekend  what was

00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:53.480
decided by councilors this year to

00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:55.440
undertake in terms of our budget work

00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:57.280
was actually a cheaper process than what

00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.519
we went went through last year so yes

00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:02.440
I've recognized that it is about

00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.119
consistency and we do as counselors need

00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.360
to ensure that we're consistent  but

00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.199
there's bigger factors in that

00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.719
conversation which probably can't be

00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.239
addressed or answered in this

00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.599
conversation would you like to continue

00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.920
speaking I'm sorry rate payers funds is

00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:19.719
rate payers funds is rate payers funds

00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:21.559
all I'm saying it's fine if we're going

00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:23.679
to go on this path let's get everything

00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.719
out there transparen

00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.559
the it's not relevant I'm sorry it's

00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:31.239
absolutely not relevant to the motion

00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:33.599
that we're discussing whether we're you

00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:35.559
know in suspending orders standing

00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.199
orders or not it's irrelevant it's not

00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:40.880
irrelevant Council and the mayor has

00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:43.360
addressed the relevance of what you're

00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.320
stating thank you councelor Cooper we'll

00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.000
continue with conversation your what the

00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:51.480
points that you've made have been noted

00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.159
would any other Council like to

00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:58.079
speak  we can progress  from the

00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.400
first one down if we would like to do

00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.199
that and talk about the

00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.360
allowances councelor SEO I just have a

00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.480
question  for the CFO or perhaps

00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:11.559
yourself Madame Mer's the Mover just for

00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:15.760
clarity  can somebody please State

00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:22.079
what the current budget is for  the

00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:23.880
allocation of conferences seminars

00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.840
training Etc so  I I just just like to

00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.320
know just for clarity what is it

00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:33.800
currently  because this is proposing a

00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.320
change but we can't see what the changes

00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:38.679
certainly so under the current policy we

00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.039
have a $5,000 allocation for 

00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.199
professional development for counselors

00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.559
and that will include various

00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:49.440
conferences seminars and training

00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:51.199
however it doesn't include the

00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.960
representation aspect this  changeing

00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:57.880
the policy is to provide a complete 

00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.000
like a an upper limit of what we are

00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:05.119
willing to allocate for counselors  to

00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.079
access and there is so I've proposed a

00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:10.880
10% increase for the things like  you

00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:12.400
know it might be a meale ticket if

00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:13.960
you're representing Council and you need

00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.320
to purchase that mail it's also the same

00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.119
with the May that it's a 10% uplift from

00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:21.079
$110,000 to

00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.079
$111,000 and the deputy mayor previously

00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.920
has been   treated as account

00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:30.000
so there is an increase of $2,000 for

00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:33.239
the deputy mayor considering the various

00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:34.599
things that they're asked to do on

00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.159
behalf of the

00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:42.440
mayor would anyone else like to

00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.719
councelor Cooper I can

00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:48.639
see can't hear you you're on mute sorry

00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.000
I was looking for the mute button 

00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:52.880
okay yep in in relation to this

00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:56.000
particular item  I'm happy to support

00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:59.559
your proposal  to go out in the draft

00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.360
I think it makes sense  I can

00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:04.119
understand why the offices potentially

00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.719
put it up by the increment that they did

00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.400
and that's because a lot of the  you

00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:12.320
know conferences seminars professional

00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:14.079
development opportunities have also

00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:15.760
increased over the years so it makes

00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.280
sense that they've tried to accommodate

00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.719
that but we are in constraint you know a

00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.159
constrained environment and  and I

00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:27.400
appreciate where you're coming from in

00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:32.039
relation to the 10% increase  over the

00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.840
last term in my first year as the mayor

00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.880
I used some of my professional

00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.519
development budget but in year 2 three

00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:43.440
and this year I haven't used anything so

00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:46.400
I think it's a very fair  proposition

00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.360
to be putting forward and I don't I

00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.800
don't have any issue with what you're

00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:55.119
proposing thank you councelor Cooper any

00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.559
other comments or questions from

00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.920
councilors

00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.400
I'm quite comfortable with this with

00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.280
part one here  have a fixed budget for

00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:09.400
councilors Deputy Mayor mayor and 

00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.159
then the the rate payers know how much

00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:13.760
is accessible and therefore you can be

00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.760
judged by how well have you used it and

00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.199
invested in it  I'll leave there at

00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.039
the moment thank you councelor piss

00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.440
councel timoth Lynch  yes I'm happy to

00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.639
support the  the alternate figures 

00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:29.360
proposed  like councelor Cooper  I

00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:31.519
found myself not hitting those budgets

00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.000
in many years as well so  I'm very

00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.760
comfortable with the with the amounts 

00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:38.559
especially in our constrainted budget

00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:40.719
environment we will need to move back

00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:44.440
into whatever it's called to do the vote

00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.840
so  so we'll continue in conversation

00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:49.679
and go to the second one if there's no

00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:51.079
other comments on this first one we'll

00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:53.840
move to the second

00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.159
Point okay  and this one's around the

00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:02.119
 the timing of completion of the aicd

00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.719
aicd course sorry any comments or

00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.599
questions on this one got a question

00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.880
What specifically constitutes completion

00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:12.639
of the Australian Institute of company

00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:13.599
director's

00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.760
course good question and the wedding is

00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:18.920
according to the advice that's on the

00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:23.000
aicd course so I might ask  our

00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:25.400
director of govern sorry manager of

00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.239
governance to

00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.000
respond thank you mayor and through you

00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.679
 councel on reflection it's perhaps a

00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.519
good point  that completing might not

00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.800
be the best Drafting and undertaking

00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.480
might be  the better word as a general

00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:49.679
rule it's a fixed fee course  so 

00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.639
attendance through the course would

00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:53.159
constitute completion but I think

00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.920
undertaking is perhaps the better

00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.239
drafting here here I have an issue it's

00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.400
about $88,000 for participation of

00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.880
course correct give or take if we're

00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.079
going to we're going to use if a councel

00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.800
is going to use $88,000 of rate payers

00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.159
money I believe it's incbent upon them

00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.800
to not just participate in the course

00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:18.679
but successfully complete the assessment

00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.119
and get the full accreditation just to

00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:22.559
turn up and go through the training I

00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:25.320
don't think it's acceptable my view is

00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:27.400
that that should hang over 8,000 hang

00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.280
over your head as a sunry

00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.599
data  and then Ned  if you show

00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.360
successful evidence of total completion

00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:42.679
of the course if not you pay it because

00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:44.639
that it's not one thing to attend to

00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:45.880
something like this it's another thing

00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:48.559
to go through the challenge and the

00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.119
discipline of actually demonstrating

00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.559
clear evidence that you are competent

00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:55.440
with what was provided through that

00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:58.000
course especially as your accreditation

00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.880
to have those letters after your name

00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:03.000
thank you councilor Pier this is one

00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:05.559
part of the alternate that's had 

00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:08.519
significant work today and at the time

00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:12.280
of drafting I wasn't privy to  all of

00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:14.400
the scenarios that we might need to

00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.760
consider as a counselor group at this

00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:18.760
point in time I'm really happy to stick

00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:20.760
by the alternate that's on the screen if

00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:22.719
you would like to foreshadow something

00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.480
different if this is lost you you're

00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:27.920
welcome to or to vote accordingly  but

00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:29.440
given the conversations that I've had

00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.159
and thought that I've given to this I'm

00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:33.000
I'm really happy to Endo it at this

00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:35.119
point in time with the way that it's

00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.400
written would any other counselor like

00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.559
to speak to that particular point

00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.199
to counselor

00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:48.000
Cooper thank you and I appreciate 

00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.400
where you've landed on this particular

00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:54.159
item MWI because  I actually have a

00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.599
very different opinion to councelor piss

00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:57.519
though I do

00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.280
appreciate you know  the context of

00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.280
which he's saying it  the problem is

00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:05.320
you can never be certain whether a

00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.119
person has the capacity to actually pass

00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:12.239
the end tests and  produce the work

00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:14.920
that's required and that capacity could

00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.440
be  intellectual capacity or or

00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:20.280
circstantial things that might be

00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.360
happening in their life In the period of

00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.119
time that it actually has to be turned

00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:28.599
in and there is a period of time so  I

00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:31.559
don't feel that a counselor should 

00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:35.199
basically be thrown over hot Cals and 

00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.360
potentially  have it hanging over

00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.079
their head as councelor Pierce was

00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:42.000
saying if they're unable to complete it

00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:46.559
due to circstances like that  we all

00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:50.960
I think intend to  you know start you

00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.880
know this is a very large

00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:56.679
 course there's a lot of work involved

00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:59.039
and a lot of time given and I don't

00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:00.400
think any counselor would actually

00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.880
embark on the course without  actually

00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:06.559
having the intention to complete it and

00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.000
pass and have that

00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:10.400
certification and if they weren't able

00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:12.800
to get that in the end I think it would

00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.400
probably be due to circstances outside

00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.119
of their capacity or control so I'm

00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:20.000
really comfortable with where this has

00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.400
 landed and I thank you for 

00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:23.679
considering

00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.920
it thank you councelor Cooper any other

00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.719
councelors on point

00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:33.559
two okay we'll move to point three this

00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.559
one's about the attendance at Elga 

00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.400
and it is a change in the current policy

00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:41.239
oh sorry in what's

00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:43.599
proposed  which is the recommendation

00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.480
of the mayor and up to three counselors

00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:50.119
so happy to

00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:55.400
discuss I just don't think it's good

00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:57.800
practice to have a

00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:02.480
specific event detailed in a policy like

00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:04.920
this look if we're saying that alga is

00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:09.039
of use and it is legitimate a deliberate

00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:11.159
conference or Workshop or

00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.400
whatever just have it allows councilors

00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:17.119
to use part of their budget to attend I

00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:18.320
don't think this should be a separate

00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:21.119
funding pool I don't see anything any

00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.440
more special anything else else we're

00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.880
doing and yes for the record I've

00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.880
attended this year will be my fifth

00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:30.840
fifth or sixth time we'll get that out

00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.320
there but if I was if I had at 55,000

00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.079
over 16 years it be 88,000 I would not

00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.840
have used 20% of that total in my total

00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:42.840
training cost that time

00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:46.039
so if I'm correct if you don't qualify

00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:48.119
under the direct funding pill you can

00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:51.199
use your couns allowance for Alo is that

00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:53.920
correct so why don't just scrap that

00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:55.480
whole provision and just say if you want

00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:58.039
to go alga comes out of your

00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:02.000
$55,000 a year clean clear and

00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.519
simple thank you councilor Pierce I

00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.000
think I'll ask a

00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:10.199
question of

00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.719
governance or maybe of councelor Pierce

00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:15.559
 would that be fair to take from the

00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:17.199
mayor's allowance as

00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.320
well so it so the mayor's allowance of

00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:24.159
11,000 includes a potential 3,000

00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.400
contribution to the Alo attendant I

00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:28.159
think so I mean a number of us have been

00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:29.880
may I don't you really would have to

00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:32.000
push hard to clock up 11,000 training

00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:33.599
costs unless you fill in the company

00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:35.960
director's course which is not which is

00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:37.280
not

00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:41.559
included any other comments on this

00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:43.840
one  I didn't think the ELO was

00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.320
incorporated within the individual

00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:47.559
expenses no so what council Pierce is

00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:50.280
proposing is that this get scrapped

00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:52.639
entirely and that we don't have a

00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:54.719
prescription around how many go but it

00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.480
comes out of counselor expenses in dead

00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.679
Okay  I my view just while I've got

00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.599
the mic on is that I'm not supportive of

00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:05.079
only restricting it to the mayor and

00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.559
Deputy Mayor  I'm comfortable with the

00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.960
officer recommendation in the existing

00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:12.000
report which is the mayor plus three

00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:16.000
councilors  and  if I recall

00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.719
correctly I don't moved my page  that

00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:23.400
we can you know amend that  as per

00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:25.400
Council resolution otherwise so I'm

00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:27.119
comfortable with what's currently I

00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.840
would not be supporting this

00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:34.559
of councelor Cooper thank you yes I'm of

00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:38.800
the same opinion  the the officer's

00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:41.360
recommendation is actually

00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:45.079
  aligning with what the local

00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.360
government inspectorate recognizes as

00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:50.239
best practice guidelines so it basically

00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:52.960
is saying in there that the mayor Deputy

00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:54.800
no the mayor and three counselors plus

00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:57.400
one officer  can go and I actually

00:48:57.480 --> 00:48:59.360
think that's a really good place to be

00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.360
landing I feel that when you have

00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:03.840
something that just stipulates the mayor

00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:05.880
and Deputy Mayor you can run into

00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:07.800
potential problems in the future if

00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.760
there's an imbalance on Council 

00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:12.800
potentially where you know the same

00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.800
people are being  elected as mayor and

00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:18.280
Deputy Mayor  they're forever going to

00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:20.360
have the opportunity to attend whereas

00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:22.039
other counselors may not get that

00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.679
opportunity so when I think about trying

00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:27.239
to feature proof this particular one 

00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.079
my mind goes straight to that type of

00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:32.760
scenario and I can see why  the local

00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:34.719
government inspectorate would have some

00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:36.519
guidelines around best practice for this

00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:38.039
one and I'm happy to stick with the

00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:41.280
officer's recommendation thanks thanks

00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.000
councilor Cooper I'm appreciating the

00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.239
the input you guys are providing what I

00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:48.840
would like to know from all council is

00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.880
whether there's interest to included in

00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.039
the counselor support and

00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:56.239
expenses can I make a point here now

00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:57.079
that we're

00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:59.599
since we is that if the objective of

00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:01.559
this let's put the cards on the table is

00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:03.920
to ensure this passes the pub test the

00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.559
reality is that if a counselor doesn't

00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.840
qualify for one of those three positions

00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:12.920
directly you can turn and say okay I'll

00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:16.719
just use two grand out of my my  my

00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:18.719
allowance you still got six or seven

00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:21.000
turning up then you still got that issue

00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.199
like supposed issue like with Mornings

00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.679
in Peninsula with six ging it doesn't

00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:27.760
solve the problem that's what I'm

00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:29.239
getting at it's not going to fix that

00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.199
problem that let's face it that's what

00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:35.039
this object this this whole thing's

00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:41.159
about I  sorry yeah certainly yeah I I

00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:42.920
would tend to agree with  counil

00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.280
Cooper that I think the local government

00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.280
inspectorate has done his best has

00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:49.920
offered best practice guidance and they

00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.239
are in the  the best position to

00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.239
provide us  good governance and good

00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:57.320
sector-wide 

00:50:57.400 --> 00:50:59.960
indications on this and I think because

00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:03.639
all all councils go all 79 I think there

00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.559
is value in all councils having some

00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:08.559
consistency on what goes and then

00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:09.920
obviously if you don't you use your

00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:12.760
other bucket of money but I value like

00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:15.440
Council of Cooper this is best practice

00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:17.360
decision by the local government

00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:19.880
inspectorate and I think it's  prudent

00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.679
to to follow that course  they've

00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:24.639
looked at other policies in the area and

00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.039
come up with this best prti ice

00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.360
guidelines  I think it would for me is

00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:32.119
about being prudent and following that

00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:37.239
Vice from  that  that

00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.360
organization question about the

00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.079
municipal inspectorate guidance is it

00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.280
mandatory that we follow

00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.800
it no it's guidance it's guidance

00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.559
Council peace well I'm sorry but I don't

00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:52.679
answer to the municipal inspectorate I

00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.760
answer to the voter as a tail award and

00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:57.360
quite frankly I'm not interested in what

00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.320
they think and that's okay you've had

00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:01.280
your opportunity to share your view on

00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:03.719
this one I'm looking to counselors who

00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:05.840
haven't spoken and anyone that wants to

00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:07.920
give indication of where we think this

00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:09.639
funding should come from I'm trying not

00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:11.320
to dominate here but I really take

00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:13.119
offense when here oh the mici inspector

00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:14.599
says we got to do this so let's all sit

00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:17.440
up on our on our H legs with our paws in

00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:19.920
the air

00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:23.199
no councelor Baker do you have

00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:25.800
any any further to add but I am

00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:26.920
supportive of the officer's

00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:28.360
recommendation and the report for this

00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.719
one so for the mayor and three

00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:33.360
counselors sitting outside of councel

00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:37.840
expenses and support allowance yeah

00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:38.840
councilor

00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:42.239
grasser yes I also am supportive of 

00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:44.519
the officers recommendations and I

00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.760
acknowledge that the inspectorates 

00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:50.199
guidelines are just guidelines no one

00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:54.559
saying we have to do it but we're saying

00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:56.719
those of us who who are saying to go

00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:59.000
with the officer's recommendations that

00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:00.719
it is recommended because it's best

00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:02.800
practice but also I just wanted to add

00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:05.079
from my experience having gone as a

00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.960
counselor last year and the substantial

00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:11.719
  professional development that I

00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:14.760
felt that I received from going to alga

00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:16.440
 you know just because I wasn't Deputy

00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:17.960
Mayor I would not have wanted to be

00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:20.800
excluded from that so  and I think any

00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.159
counselor would benefit from it and

00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:24.639
there were definitely counselors there

00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:28.039
who who were not Deputy mayors who who

00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:30.960
 you know whose work as a counselor

00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:33.920
was informed and improved by their their

00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.400
learnings at at alga thank you councelor

00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:41.760
Gro any other comments on point

00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:43.679
three

00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:45.440
okay

00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:48.559
 we'll move down to point

00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:52.639
four and this one relates to  alcohol

00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:55.800
being replaced as as is on the screen or

00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:58.000
a council like to speak councelor

00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.079
bacer  thank you  the reason why

00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:03.239
I've raised this one to form part of the

00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.480
alternate is it concerns being question

00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:07.000
whether alcohol should be retained in

00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.039
this policy  moving into the future

00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:12.159
with what I've proposed I seek for my

00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:14.239
councils to consider this part alternate

00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:17.000
to remove unnecessary cost to council's

00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:19.360
budget as it may serve no purpose or

00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.039
benefit to the to this policy while

00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:23.639
questioning what benefit there is to the

00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:25.480
community and councilors by retaining

00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:27.760
this aspect into the policy as a

00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:30.800
claimable  expense except for one it

00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.039
cannot be reasonably

00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:38.079
avoided thank you councilor Baker I

00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:41.280
agree councilor PE great idea thank you

00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:42.519
anybody

00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:47.000
else great and councelor

00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:50.280
Cooper so  I'm wubbing the head around

00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:51.679
this one

00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.000
because counselors have a meal for

00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:56.440
example before you come into a counsel

00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:58.320
meeting on a Monday night you have an

00:54:58.400 --> 00:54:59.760
opportunity to have a meal together

00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:02.199
there's no alcohol supplied there's no

00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:04.840
alcohol provided for committies or

00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:06.280
certainly none of the Committees that

00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.199
I'm on  we don't even have soft treat

00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:10.880
we have tea coffee and

00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:15.039
water  so why it

00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:18.039
stipulates committee members as well I'm

00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:21.039
not sure if we're talking about the

00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:25.559
general provision of alcohol I think 

00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:27.440
more often than not when there's

00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.000
responsible serving of alcohol at

00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:34.280
Council  it's for community events you

00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:36.159
know potentially if we're having a

00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:40.079
celebration for you know volunteers or

00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:43.280
 Club sporting Awards and things like

00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.480
that where there might be you know a

00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:48.159
glass of wine or a beer or soft drink

00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:51.079
offered  and that's all done under you

00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:53.119
know responsible serving of alcohol

00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:55.360
guidelines we're talking about a $3

00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.000
glass of wine for people who volunteer

00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.239
you know 20 hours a week within our

00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:02.719
community and I don't think I personally

00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:05.519
have a problem with actually doing that

00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:09.119
so I I guess I'm wondering what is this

00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:11.800
actually talking about because in its

00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:14.960
current written format I I don't think I

00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:18.800
support it thank you councelor Cooper my

00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:20.519
understanding in this is that this is

00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:22.599
speaking to the council's expenses and

00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.400
support policy not a position of Council

00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:28.360
on the Serv of alcohol for other events

00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:31.679
but I'm happy to seek clarification on

00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:34.320
that from somebody who might be able

00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.559
to is that right is that sorry councelor

00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:39.639
Baker is that your

00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:42.119
intention yeah well I just not in the

00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.599
policy  just banking on from what

00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:48.679
councelor  Cooper's indicated on page

00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:52.079
1119 in the  attachment it does say

00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:56.159
the chief EXO 6.7.2 alcohol the CEO May

00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:57.320
approv the provision of alcoholic

00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:59.000
beverages at Council events or

00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.440
reimbursement of expenses  at other

00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:04.119
events regarding so is there an

00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.079
unintended consequence for this  I'm

00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.519
not sure I do know that we are being the

00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:12.760
community health and well-being we do we

00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:16.719
are doing a  and please  director

00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.280
Chalkley regarding our alcohol policy we

00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:22.719
are doing a  alcohol profile in Knox

00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:25.000
and from my understanding  coming out

00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:26.559
of that there will be some sort of

00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:28.639
framework or commitment I'm just

00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:31.559
wondering whether I absolutely agree

00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:33.599
with you what your intent is Council

00:57:33.679 --> 00:57:35.599
Baker but I'm just wondering with the

00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:37.400
unintended consequences from councilor

00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:40.239
Cooper  is this too early at this

00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:42.280
stage to bring like to make this

00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:45.599
decision now knowing that we do have Knox

00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.199
 alcohol profile coming in whether

00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:50.079
there is going to be a hole of Knox

00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:52.800
commitment or  an understanding or a

00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:54.280
policy because from what I understand we

00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:56.480
don't have a an alcohol spe specific

00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:59.000
policies that correct that we don't have

00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:02.719
one  so I'm just wondering if it's I

00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:05.360
do the intent I'm just wondering if it's

00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:07.039
just a little bit too premature to make

00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:12.400
it on this when in the  and not that I

00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:14.760
that it talks about beverages at alcohol

00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:17.880
events  yeah I I would like some

00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:20.400
further clarification but just on the

00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.639
back of councilor Cooper just there my

00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:26.599
comment for council's online can I just

00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:28.119
check that you can actually hear

00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:33.000
councilor loin okay great  so I am

00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:34.599
looking around the room hoping that

00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:36.320
someone's going to provide that

00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.199
clarification counselor counselor

00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:42.239
director Chalkley thank you three Madam

00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.039
mayor  in regards to the  what

00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:46.760
coming to council it will be a statement

00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:49.199
it won't be a policy and so it will be

00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:51.559
just be a direction that this is where

00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:53.440
we'd like to look in regards to alcohol

00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:55.639
we won't be putting a policy in place

00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.360
because you know we have lots of clubs

00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.079
and  and that that do provide alcohol

00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:02.920
but we'd be looking at training and

00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:05.599
responsible alcohol consption those

00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:08.679
sorts of things  not directly saying

00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:10.840
we wouldn't we wouldn't be providing it

00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:12.559
 but as part of that it could be

00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.000
council's decision that we at our at the

00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.360
functions we hold here we don't provide

00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:20.000
alcohol that could be an option  that

00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:22.239
the councilors could make but not in

00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:24.960
regards to clubs and more external

00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:28.039
stakeholders

00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:32.760
 I would like to go to our manager of

00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:35.880
governance for

00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:41.440
comment  through you may just having

00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:43.760
heard the the conversation the concerns

00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:45.199
about unintended

00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:47.679
consequences  there is perhaps a way

00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:51.480
that we can  if Council were of a mind

00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.280
that we could

00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:56.079
adjust this particular provision that

00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:59.440
gives us  the capacity to retain that

00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:01.639
flexibility for Council functions to

01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:04.039
address that concern that was that was

01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:07.840
voiced  done pull together some

01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:11.039
reasonably quick drafting which I will

01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:15.760
 put on screen for you in just a

01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:26.679
moment

01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:28.199


01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:31.480
so the the change in the version that

01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:34.000
I've just put on the screen is just to

01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:37.320
 create effectively two exceptions to

01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:38.920
the general provision so this would

01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:41.960
serve as a general provision that  in

01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:44.719
the absence of a resolution of council

01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.000
 alcoholic beverages wouldn't be

01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:49.800
considered or reimbursed as an expense

01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.880
 but what it does then do is create an

01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.320
exception for exception for that you

01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:57.039
know example of a ticketed price at a

01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.039
function for example if there was a

01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:01.079
conference dinner ticket that included

01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:02.880
alcoholic beverages that wouldn't offend

01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:04.440
the policy because it was part of the

01:01:04.519 --> 01:01:07.519
overall cost and the second brings back

01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:10.039
effectively some of the current policy

01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:12.679
 so the the the gist of this is that

01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:15.440
where the CEO has determined that the

01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:17.000
provision of alcoholic beverages is

01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:19.199
appropriate at a Knox city council Civic

01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:21.360
or other function involving members of

01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:24.199
the community  having regard to Nature

01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:26.000
and purpose of the function community

01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:28.079
expectations and the impact alcohol can

01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:30.320
have so it creates a an opportunity

01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:32.639
similar to what the current 

01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:35.719
provisions of the policy does  but

01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.079
perhaps introduces that more overarching

01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:39.760
statement that in general it's not going

01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.400
to be considered an

01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:46.920
expense thank you Andrew  I will go to

01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:48.920
council vaker first and then to yourself

01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.239
councilor Cooper thank

01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:54.760
you I haven't seen you

01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:56.760
yet did you want to make comment on

01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:58.119
what's on the screen or are you happy to

01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:01.559
wait bye okay councelor Simo councelor

01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:03.559
Cooper thank you through you Madame

01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:06.239
mayor  and this in part I think

01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.519
addresses something that councelor

01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:12.880
Cooper has raised  my reading of of

01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.800
this part of the alternate is really

01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:18.519
around  contemporary leadership and

01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:21.079
and what community expectation is in

01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:24.800
terms of availability of alcohol  it

01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:29.519
is well known that  Council in the

01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:32.760
councilor  Lounge that there is a

01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:36.039
fridge stocked with alcohol  and that

01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:39.679
counselors have are currently able and

01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:42.880
have in the past been able to  get

01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:46.559
beverages before meetings at our dinners

01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:49.920
 and certainly after the meetings so

01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:55.239
for me this has been something that 

01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:57.039
has been a mindset where it's been

01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.320
shifting over many years about what is

01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:01.480
acceptable and what is not accept

01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:03.000
acceptable in a

01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:06.199
workplace  because this is a workplace

01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:08.400
it's not a social environment for us and

01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:11.400
it's not an excuse to  get to the end

01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:13.920
of the day and you know have a wine or

01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.320
two before you venture into these

01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:18.119
meetings or after the meetings when you

01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:21.199
have to drive home so you know I I

01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:23.760
really think it's about tightening of

01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:26.639
that in terms of community expect ation

01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:29.480
it's a tightening of what is reasonable

01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:33.360
that rate payers pay for  and is it

01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:35.800
reasonable for rate payers to be funding

01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:40.119
a counselor  stocked fridge of alcohol

01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:42.840
probably not  in

01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:45.840
2024 so you know back in the 70s maybe

01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:48.360
but 2024 it probably doesn't pass the

01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:53.639
pub test  in terms of events then yes

01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:55.440
there is an argent that it makes sense

01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:57.079
and I think the other other policies

01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:00.760
pick that up this one is about counselor

01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:04.079
expenses and support policy and is the

01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:07.199
provision of alcohol does that

01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:09.519
legitimately fall under supporting a

01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:13.840
counselor to do their job I don't think

01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.639
so thank you councelor SEO councelor

01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:20.440
Cooper and then over

01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:24.000
here you're on mute councelor

01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:26.519
Cooper sorry I did press said it didn't

01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:30.960
work  yeah thank you  Andrew for

01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:34.719
adding the additional context  I think

01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.880
where I land on it tonight is  I

01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:39.960
probably would like to see

01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:43.400
more more work done in terms of how it

01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:46.480
aligns with other policies within the

01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:48.480
organization as well so obviously there

01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:51.280
would be similar things from a corporate

01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.280
perspective  I'm stbling still for

01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:56.440
why it would have committee me Meers 

01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:58.719
we've talked about this as a council

01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:01.760
policy why is it including committee

01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:05.400
members  and I hear you know I hear

01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:07.639
what's being said I don't necessarily

01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:11.079
disagree I just think that it needs a

01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:13.400
little bit more refining in how it's

01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:15.239
worded because I think that it's on the

01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:17.519
fly a little bit and it's not

01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:20.159
necessarily lining up with what other

01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:22.199
policies the organization might have

01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:24.480
around alcohol consption and I'd like

01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.159
to see you know

01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:28.599
I guess what other best practice

01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:31.760
policies look like as well thanks thanks

01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:33.480
councilor keepa I'm manager of

01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.800
governance is going to respond to your

01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:39.159
question thank you through you may 

01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:41.199
the reference to committee members

01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.519
reflects the fact that  Council can 

01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:46.719
create and has until recently had

01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:49.239
delegated committees and so in that

01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:52.320
context counselors would attend a  for

01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:54.480
example a delegated committee as a

01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:57.000
Committee Member not strictly speaking

01:05:57.079 --> 01:05:59.400
as a counselor  and so the language

01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:01.559
there relates to that that different

01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:05.039
role of delegated committee members 

01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:07.039
and the requirement of the legislation

01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:09.199
is to have a policy that covers both

01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:11.199
counselors and committee members in that

01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:13.800
context so it's not the broader

01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:14.960
committees that you might be

01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.320
interpreting it

01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:21.119
as thank you Andrew  councilor loin

01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:22.960
first and then councilor

01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:26.360
P yeah  thank you I was

01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:28.880
I to  I I was looking at our office

01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:31.400
space and meeting space  section on

01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:37.880
page 122 noting that  is this about is

01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:41.159
this about  if we're going out to a

01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:42.360
function and you're there for a

01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:44.719
counselor is it legitimate to buy an

01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:46.199
alcoholic drink and then come back and

01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:48.199
reimburse it or is it about what

01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:49.920
counselor SEO says and is it about

01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:53.119
having alcohol within the counselor 

01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:55.719
counselor's lounge and is that what we

01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:59.519
want to get rid of like  I have no

01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:01.239
problems with that I haven't we've not

01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:04.159
been huge consers this term of alcohol

01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:05.719
I think we've used more cup of teas than

01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:09.280
ever  rather than a glass of wine or

01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:13.599
anything  yeah I feel like the intent

01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:17.199
is excellent I just like I know I think

01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:19.199
we not really understanding exactly

01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:22.360
where we don't want  Council to be

01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:25.960
providing for reimbursing the alcohol 

01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:28.360
I think it is contemporary we don't we

01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:30.559
shouldn't be providing out like we it's

01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:32.039
not something that I'm probably sure our

01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:34.480
community would want us to be paying for

01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:36.400
so I agree that it needs to have a

01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:38.480
discussion I feel like it just needs to

01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:42.320
be fleshed out a little bit but we yeah

01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.079
I'm not sure whether this is the day to

01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:46.159
land or put something forward come back

01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:48.320
to community consultation we do have

01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:51.079
another opportunity to discuss it thank

01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:54.360
you Council loins Council

01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:58.199
PE just your your mic it's actually not

01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.199
that difficult I agree with councilor s

01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:01.199
times have

01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:04.119
changed Council meetings are a workplace

01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:06.679
Council committees are a workplace going

01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:10.639
to alga is a work is at the

01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.840
workplace anything you're doing being

01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:16.199
paid as a representative council is the

01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:18.520
workplace the only difference here is

01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:21.479
that if you have a a function or

01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:24.119
reception I agree surely it's covered

01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:25.840
under other things I think when we can

01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:28.039
easily clearly not say clearly tonight

01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:30.720
say clean out the alcohol from the

01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:33.000
council's lounge if you want to go and

01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:35.960
get yourself written off at alga you pay

01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:38.800
for it not clock it up on the on the 

01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:43.800
counselor Bill and that that if count if

01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:46.520
you want to drink you pay for yourself

01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:49.199
time you know you are here to work and I

01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:51.640
agree I mean what what you could get

01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:54.079
away even when I started is completely

01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:55.479
different toar what community

01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:58.279
expectations are thank you there's also

01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:00.359
a sorry there's also a duty of care

01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:03.560
issue here too so think that's got to be

01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:06.319
considered as well thank you and

01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:08.840
councelor

01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:13.079
Baker I don't think there's much more I

01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:16.000
need to okay are you happy with the

01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:19.279
addition that's been put up there okay

01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:22.760
 so we will move to point five and

01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:24.840
discuss that and before we rese

01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:29.840
standing what is  so we just that's 

01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:32.840
6.11 relating to subscriptions so while

01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:34.359
that's going back up on the screen we'll

01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:36.479
go to council Lo thank you this is the

01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:38.840
one that I brought up just I've recently

01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:41.319
 we were all asked to review our

01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:44.119
subscriptions  and we do in a policy

01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:46.399
does note the age The Herald son and if

01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:47.960
you wish to have something else of any

01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:50.560
of those magazines or subscriptions then

01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:51.800
it's under

01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:54.680
consideration  but in that I note that

01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:57.920
we also with your library they provide

01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:00.880
free with your membership which we we

01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:03.760
contribute $4 something million dollar

01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.760
to our library your library and they

01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:09.720
actually provide a free subscription

01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:13.000
with your membership to the age so it's

01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:16.720
about this cost of  doing business I

01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:18.880
feel that we already pay 4 million plus

01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:21.119
to the library which already is giving

01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:23.119
do we really need to do it again and it

01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:24.760
is something that I'll bring up with the

01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:27.720
CEO on a more of a corporate thing 

01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:30.439
corporate or business-wide do we need to

01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:32.439
be provide do we need to be paying for a

01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:34.159
subscription when we're already

01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:36.079
providing one of our other organizations

01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:38.239
to provide it for us that was the

01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:40.680
actually the whole intent they do not do

01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:42.680
the herald son so obviously that's not

01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:45.960
in it and anything else you would do so

01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:48.199
that was the that's the basic reason I

01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:50.079
brought it up you can get it for free

01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:52.199
with your library and they don't

01:10:52.279 --> 01:10:54.159
actually take much of your 

01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:55.680
information

01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:58.279
thank you Council question maybe Council

01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:00.760
lens or who the the other representativ

01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:03.000
on the eastern regional liary

01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:05.560
Corporation is why would they not pay

01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:08.880
for a subscription to the largest stale

01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:11.960
circulation newspaper in the country

01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:14.840
what's going on

01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:19.039
there any other comments on point five

01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:22.640
of this motion questions or comments

01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:25.640
from counselors okay so we're going to

01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:29.880
need a motion to rese standing orders

01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.039
do I have a counselor who would like

01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:34.479
counselor Baker a second councelor Tim

01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:38.199
Leach all those in favor that motion is

01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:42.119
carried we do have a motion on the table

01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:44.319
on the screen and I which I have moved

01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:47.239
I'll need to call for a seconder for the

01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:52.079
motion as we now have on the

01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:57.239
screen

01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:02.399
okay so  governance has just asked me

01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:04.840
to confirm for you all that I am moving

01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:06.600
the motion with the amendment that's

01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:08.199
been

01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:10.760
proposed

01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:15.399
 so that was under point 4 relating to

01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:18.239
 alcohol so I'm moving it with that

01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:22.520
change do I have a seconder for that

01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:28.359
motion Council vaker thank you

01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:31.640
 I've taken on board what people have

01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:33.319
said

01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:36.720
and I'm not going to make any any other

01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:39.239
changes tonight  and recognize that

01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:43.039
this goes out for consultation so we

01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:45.479
will vote on each of the items

01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:47.039
individually councilor Baker would you

01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:51.399
like to speak to the motion at this

01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:55.960
point  just very briefly  The Local

01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:58.239
Government Act of 2020 requires Council

01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:00.399
to establish and maintain an expenses

01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:02.520
policy for reimbursing out of-pocket

01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:04.960
expenses incurred by counsel counselors

01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:07.720
and delegated  committees this current

01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:09.520
policy outlining the agenda was adopted

01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:11.760
in August 2020 and like munity Council

01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:13.680
policies it's now under review and hence

01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:17.039
why we here with this report

01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:19.600
tonight thanks councelor Baker would any

01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:22.960
other counselor like to speak before we

01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:27.680
vote no Okay so the first change to be

01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:32.279
put to the vote  under point Sorry

01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:37.199
A1 as is on the screen for the budget

01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:39.399
allocations okay I just have to work out

01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:41.600
where I'm sitting on

01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:45.239
this  all those in

01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:49.239
favor we have that one supported

01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:51.840
unanimously thank

01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:56.439
you under two second one relating to

01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:58.600
counselor induction and sector training

01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:00.760
this one was around the

01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:05.119
aicd  I sorry I do need to move a

01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:06.680
change there we were talking about

01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:09.399
undertaking as opposed to

01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:11.600
completing so we're just going to change

01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:14.279
that one word to

01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:16.800
undertaking  and now I'll put that one

01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:21.640
to the vote all of the all counil is in

01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:26.039
favor so we have four oh we have five in

01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:30.800
the chamber and two online all those are

01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:36.800
poed two in the chamber that motion is

01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:40.359
carried just go to three which is the

01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:45.079
one  relating to attendance at at

01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:49.319
Elga so I'm moving it as according to

01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:52.520
the motion all those in

01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:55.520
favor we have one in the chamber

01:14:55.600 --> 01:15:00.000
and none online all those posed 1 2 3 4

01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:02.119
5 6 in the chamber two online that

01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:05.920
motion is lost and I'm would like to

01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:07.640
have oh no CU I've carried it I have to

01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:09.760
do a Division I I can't record

01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:13.119
opposition when I supported it can I

01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:16.359
sorry I supported it I'm the only one so

01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:17.960
I have to call a division I'll just call

01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:20.039
a division on that one all those in

01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:23.199
favor that would be Council D all those

01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:27.079
opposed you ready councel lens councelor

01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:30.760
F councelor Baker councel Grasso councelor

01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:34.000
Tim Le councelor seore councelor Cooper

01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:37.760
and councelor or thank

01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:42.640
you okay we'll move to Y do we consider

01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:45.720
the original officers recommendation now

01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:48.399
or do we need to

01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:51.840
wait can I get some advice on that

01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:55.119
through you Madame mayor  in the Circ

01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:59.720
ances where  that motion has failed 

01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:02.640
if this  motion if the balance of the

01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:08.119
motion is endorsed  the  decision of

01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:10.039
council would be to endorse the position

01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:12.119
that's in the papers has set out in

01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:13.720
attachment to

01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:16.359
currently okay thank you for clarifying

01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:20.039
that good question  the fourth item or

01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:22.680
change to put to the vote relating to

01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:25.640
alcohol  do I need to check section is

01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:30.119
that section 6.72 or 6.82 it's

01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:32.560
right it is correct apologies Council

01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:34.119
there are some numbering discrepancies

01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:36.039
between the attachments so the numbering

01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:38.439
here is correct for attachment two which

01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:40.800
is the version of the attachment that

01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:43.399
the motion is endorsing thank you so

01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:46.479
much this is very tedious thank you okay

01:16:46.560 --> 01:16:48.119
the fourth one I'll put to the vote all

01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:49.239
those in

01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:52.760
favor we have unanimous in the chamber

01:16:52.840 --> 01:16:55.600
and online thank you counselors

01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:58.680
and the last one under subscriptions are

01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:02.960
now put to the vote all those in

01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:06.279
favor six in the chamber and two online

01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:08.039
all those are

01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:11.880
posed One in the

01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:14.920
Chamber I need to do that one as well

01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:16.960
okay  so

01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:20.119
that point is

01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:23.359
carried running out of words and then

01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:25.920
the last section under B I also need to

01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:27.840
put to the vote so that we've got

01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:31.159
complete motion all those in

01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:34.720
favor and that is carried unanimously do

01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:37.960
you have everything you need on that one

01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:40.960
thank you everybody for allowing us to

01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:43.520
work through that policy we'll see what

01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:45.279
comes back from Community consultation

01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:46.840
on that

01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:49.439
one let's hope that that's expediated

01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:52.520
the process at the other end  item

01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:55.000
five Mo motions for which notice has has

01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:58.479
previously been given 5.1 notice of

01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:01.199
recision motion to number 144 waste

01:18:01.279 --> 01:18:04.039
collection frequency this recision

01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:06.359
motion was put forward by councelor Lain

01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:10.840
and councelor timas Le councilors  can

01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:12.560
you please indicate which of you will

01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:16.600
move this motion and councilor Tim Le

01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:18.439
will move the recision

01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:23.319
motion lens and that's as per the motion

01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:25.720
that's been circulated and we'll go on

01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:27.960
the

01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:32.640
screen in a

01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:53.720
moment I just want to confirm what it is

01:18:53.800 --> 01:18:56.720
we're moving

01:18:58.039 --> 01:19:01.319
 thank

01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:08.239
you okay so that's as per what's been

01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:11.239
circulated for counselors so before we

01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:14.359
proceed to debate this recision motion I

01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:16.439
would like to move a procedural Motion

01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:18.680
in accordance with rule 44 that this

01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:20.600
matter be adjourned until the council

01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:24.680
meeting on the 22nd of April 2024 to

01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:26.439
enable us to seek advice about the

01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:28.880
implications of the decision any

01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:31.840
decision that's made is there a second

01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:36.560
for that motion councilor PE thank

01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:38.960
you

01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:42.479
 I will speak briefly but I have

01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:44.800
circulated this intention for counselors

01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:47.640
I would just  I'd like to indicate

01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:50.760
that  for me given the relatively late

01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:54.039
circulation of the final Alternate which

01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:57.199
we did was quite sizable and it had

01:19:57.279 --> 01:20:00.159
quite a quite a big decision made in it

01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:02.239
 and also the many contributions to

01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:04.079
the discussion that have Arisen since

01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:07.159
the decision I am proposing and would

01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:09.159
encourage councilors to support that we

01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:11.319
defer this motion to the end of month

01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:14.319
council meeting I am aware obviously

01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:16.399
that our CEO and director of

01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:18.720
infrastructure are currently on leave

01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:21.199
and given what I've heard  is a number

01:20:21.279 --> 01:20:23.079
of questions regarding this I think that

01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:25.479
it's in the interest of good Ence and

01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:28.239
transparency that we seek answers to

01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:31.279
these before final decision is made I

01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:33.119
also am aware that there would be

01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:35.560
Community interest in this decision and

01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:37.319
that a deferral provides greater

01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:39.520
opportunity for it to be in a public

01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:43.199
for including public question time so

01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:45.479
 in the interest of transparency and

01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:47.199
good governance I would hope that we

01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.000
could support a deferral tonight

01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:52.000
councilor Pier would you like to speak

01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:53.800
to the procedure I reserve my right at

01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:56.079
this stage would any other like

01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:58.760
counselor like to speak to the

01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:02.520
procedural motion councelor Tim Le 

01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:06.760
thank you MWI for  for suggesting that

01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:10.079
we defer this  as you suggested and

01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:11.680
and I think there was  a couple of

01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:13.439
counselors that mentioned it on the

01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:15.640
night  I know councelor piece was

01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:17.680
probably working through the alternate

01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:18.760
 but it didn't come to other

01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:21.840
councilors  until you know the

01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:23.560
afternoon before the meeting given its

01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:26.760
complexity  it really didn't give us

01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:28.520
much time to consider and understand its

01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:31.399
nuances or explore  any unintended

01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:33.560
consequences and and for me it really

01:21:33.640 --> 01:21:35.239
wasn't until after the meeting that I

01:21:35.319 --> 01:21:37.359
started asking questions that I

01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:39.079
certainly really need to know the answer

01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:41.239
to and I and I hope would be valuable

01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:43.359
for other councilors to understand as

01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:46.680
well  and I suppose that's why  I

01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:49.199
signed that recision motion to begin

01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:51.880
with to allow us all some more time 

01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:53.560
to understand some of the concerns that

01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:56.239
were raised across board 

01:21:56.319 --> 01:21:58.720
unfortunately or fortunately at the last

01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:00.119
council meeting we also passed the

01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:02.600
governance rules which you know kind of

01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:04.760
really shaped the fact that the SPC

01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:07.520
meeting no longer exists and and it's

01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:09.159
really only because of that change in

01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:11.279
governance rules that it it is

01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:12.880
technically being brought back to us

01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:15.600
tonight normally we would generally see

01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:18.159
it  you know at the end of month

01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:19.560
meeting so we're basically just

01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:21.199
following the practice that it would

01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:24.680
have been  in the past anyway  I

01:22:24.760 --> 01:22:27.800
suppose with Easter break  and the

01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:29.520
pre-planned leave of Staff who are you

01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:32.000
know those subject matter experts during

01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:33.640
this time really hasn't afforded us as

01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:35.800
Council as the opportunity to process

01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:37.880
the complexity of the decision and and

01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:40.399
and really consider things so I would be

01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:43.239
grateful to to my fellow counselors to

01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:47.159
support this  deferral  so that we

01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:50.079
can really unpack that together  and

01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:52.279
and then revisit this recision motion 

01:22:52.359 --> 01:22:55.399
on the 22nd of April  thank you for

01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:56.760
acknowledging the good governance that

01:22:56.840 --> 01:22:59.159
would be too so thank

01:22:59.239 --> 01:23:01.800
you thank you councelor timus Le

01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:02.840
councelor

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coper thank you yep I'm very happy to

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support the deferral  for the same

01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:11.520
reasons that councilor Tims Lee has just

01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:13.520
outlined just giving us more of an

01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:16.439
opportunity to go over  the actual

01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:19.239
notice of motion which was presented and

01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:22.159
 and ask the questions which we 

01:23:22.239 --> 01:23:25.319
probably have come to ask over the

01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:29.239
recent week  my question actually to

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yourself medwire is given we do have the

01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:34.520
CEO on leave and the infrastructure

01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:38.039
director on leave  are we I appreciate

01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:40.399
we have some really talented and

01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:42.000
wonderful people who have stepped into

01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:45.680
their positions  but  are they

01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:47.640
confident in being across the issue and

01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:49.439
being able to answer all the questions

01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:52.039
that counselors might have and if so I'm

01:23:52.119 --> 01:23:53.920
happy with the time frame that's been

01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:57.680
given if not  I would be supportive to

01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:00.760
extend the time and see it come back in

01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:04.399
 next month's meeting if that works

01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:06.960
better for people's workloads and  the

01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:09.760
information they may may not be across

01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:12.279
thank you thank you councelor Cooper so

01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:15.119
I just want to check because  our CEO

01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:17.800
will be returning from leave  even

01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:20.119
prior to our next issues briefing but

01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:22.920
also for the council meeting  I need

01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:24.800
confirmation on when our director of

01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:28.680
infrastructures returning  same yeah

01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:31.800
yeah thank you  so does that answer

01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:32.800
your

01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:35.239
question okay would any other counselor

01:24:35.319 --> 01:24:37.479
like to

01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:40.600
speak okay  counil thank you just as

01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:44.880
  signing the recision motion I just

01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:47.600
want to  just thank you for the

01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:49.840
deferral this is one of our biggest

01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:52.920
contracts and  a service that does

01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:56.720
affect  a lot of whether all our

01:24:56.800 --> 01:24:58.680
residents so I think it is really

01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:01.399
prudent that we do do our due diligence

01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:03.560
 understand the probity the financial

01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:04.239
the

01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:07.000
implications  and and and what it

01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:09.600
means to us and for all of us to

01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:11.560
understand completely  what this

01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:13.640
motion would be so  thank you for

01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:16.520
bringing up the deferral  I think it's

01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:18.359
 prudent that we go back into an

01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:20.920
issues briefing and really discuss this

01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:23.439
 thank you councelor loin would any

01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:25.920
other councel like like to speak before

01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:28.159
I put the vote counil just a quick

01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:30.640
question sorry  off the back of what

01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:33.039
Suzanne just said it coming to an issues

01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:36.199
briefing is that the intention that 

01:25:36.279 --> 01:25:38.640
the the actual discussion will come to

01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:41.399
an issues briefing once the director and

01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:44.359
CEO have returned from leave councilor

01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:46.399
Cooper a number of questions have been

01:25:46.479 --> 01:25:49.279
circulated which warrant some discussion

01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:52.760
time for counselors  so as at the

01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:54.840
moment it's not formally there's no

01:25:54.920 --> 01:25:56.880
formal report but we need to provide

01:25:56.960 --> 01:25:58.920
opportunity to have that discussion and

01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:03.199
that can be done in our next issues

01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:09.920
briefing in response to that question

01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:14.439
yeah oh use your microphone if you sorry

01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:16.079
 councilor Cooper that was an apology

01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:17.880
mine it was a turn of phrase there was

01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:20.600
no expectation of that I do apologize

01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:22.359
for  if that created

01:26:22.439 --> 01:26:26.479
confusion councilor GR would you like to

01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:29.720
speak thank you may d i Doo support the

01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:33.039
deferral  I think the argents have

01:26:33.119 --> 01:26:35.520
been mentioned but the fact in

01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:37.479
particular that this is such a momentous

01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:40.319
decision that affects every household 

01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:41.279
in the

01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:44.239
municipality  making sure that 

01:26:44.319 --> 01:26:46.079
We've you know crossed all the tees

01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:48.960
dotted all the eyes and  done the due

01:26:49.039 --> 01:26:51.600
diligence and explored the nuances of

01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:54.880
any  consideration to change anything

01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:57.800
at all I think  we should do

01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:00.680
it thank you councelor gr any other

01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:04.760
councel like to speak at this point no

01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:07.920
okay  there's a

01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:10.760
movement question I just want to pick up

01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:13.279
the theme  particularly what council

01:27:13.359 --> 01:27:16.000
Grasso just said and I've got a a

01:27:16.079 --> 01:27:19.119
clarification question for Council

01:27:19.199 --> 01:27:22.199
be

01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:26.840
 what there has been dialogue and in

01:27:26.920 --> 01:27:30.239
fact  the inference just then was that

01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:34.239
the motion triggers signif or could

01:27:34.319 --> 01:27:37.479
trigger significant change could you

01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:38.439
please

01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:42.000
clarify just the accuracy of your

01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:45.119
original motion

01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:47.720
intent dear thank you councilor s more

01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:52.800
happy to the the context of the motion

01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:55.119
that was successful passed the last

01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:58.840
meeting was the current waste contract

01:27:58.920 --> 01:28:02.640
is approved as is with one change and

01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:06.640
that is the general waste bin cycle

01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:10.319
moves from fortn nightly to weekly and

01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:11.880
there will be a change the garbage

01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:15.439
charge to cover that that's

01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:21.279
it

01:28:21.359 --> 01:28:24.880
okay all right 

01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:26.279
I'm just going to pick up on the point

01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:28.079
you made about our governance rules I

01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:30.039
did have that to explain and completely

01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:32.159
overlooked it but it is it does seem to

01:28:32.239 --> 01:28:34.079
be an almost ironic unintended

01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:37.399
consequence of the same same meeting so

01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:39.119
thank you for counselors who have

01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:41.680
indicated support to defer  it's

01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:45.039
appreciated the willingness to  to put

01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:47.720
time into this de decision I will now

01:28:47.800 --> 01:28:50.399
put the motion the procedural motion to

01:28:50.479 --> 01:28:55.680
defer to the vote all those in favor

01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:58.840
we have unanimous support thank you

01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:04.159
councilors also online  to defer that

01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:10.680
motion okay so  item six supplementary

01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:13.279
items there are no such items this

01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:16.439
evening item seven urgent business does

01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:18.520
any counselor wish to raise a matter of

01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:21.680
edness this

01:29:22.119 --> 01:29:24.359
evening  there being no urgent

01:29:24.439 --> 01:29:26.479
business I'll move to confidential

01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:29.079
business of which there are no such

01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:30.760
items this evening so I declare the

01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:32.199
meeting

01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:35.560
closed thank

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you